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==Photo==
{{plausible speculation}}
We should probably get a screenshot of the Blackbird, both when under construction and during its test flight. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 00:03, 17 September 2005 (EDT)
:I added a photo of the blackbird at the commissioning, since it was the widest shot of the ship -- [[User:Danaucpe|Danaucpe]] 21:34, 18 September 2005 (EDT)
:: Thanks! Hopefully when the DVDs come out for Season 2 we can get a cleaner, crisper screenshot. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:29, 20 September 2005 (EDT)


::: I might be able to get a cleaner one, but I'll have to see. I won't have time for a couple of days, maybe, but I'll give it a go and see what I can do. If I replace this image file, does it have to be the same size, or if I crop it differently, will the Wiki software still handle it okay? I'll also see about getting one from when it's under construction. --[[User:Day|Day]] 13:29, 20 September 2005 (EDT)
:''Note: This article is protected from edits and kept around as an archive of the speculation that took place before the reveal of the final Cylon. See also [[Humanoid Cylon Speculation]] for another such page.''


:::: It doesn't have to be the same size.  The software will know the difference. Thanks Day! -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 13:31, 20 September 2005 (EDT)
A central mystery of the fourth season concerns who the last member of the Cylon [[Final Five]] is. What follows is a compilation of significant clues suggesting or refuting that a character is the final Cylon.


== Name ==
==Notes on Clues==
Clues as to the identity of hidden Cylons have been historically rare in the series. These are the clues which have actually pointed to a real Cylon:
* [[Galen Tyrol]]'s compulsion to find [[Temple of Five]] {{TRS|The Eye of Jupiter}}.
* Tyrol suspects he is a Cylon. In a conversation with Brother [[Cavil]], the priest tells him "I'm [a Cylon] and I haven't seen you at the meetings," foreshadowing that both characters are Cylons {{TRS|Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I}}.
* Tyrol suffers significantly fewer injuries than his wife when exposed to the vacuum of space {{TRS|A Day in the Life}}.
* Number Three recognizes and apologizes to one of the Final Five. At this point in the story, the only non-disqualified characters she had both interacted extensively with and caused harm to were [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Samuel Anders]].
* [[The Music]] heard by the four revealed final Cylons {{TRS|Crossroads, Part II}}.


"The first prototype was dubbed "Laura", in honor of President Laura Roslin." Are there really going to be any more of these things? If they had to through so much to scrounge up materials for just one...Also, isn't its name now 'Laura,' not 'Blackbird,' which I thought was just its temporary designation? [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 10:57, 17 September 2005 (EDT)
Clues entered here must be concrete, from canon or official sources. They should be either:
: I'm not too sure, to be honest with you. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable with this sort of thing might wish to come forward and clarify for us. As for scrounging up parts, they may eventually be able to get some from unserviceable Vipers. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 11:07, 17 September 2005 (EDT)
*Extrahuman events relating to a character.
*Clear dramatic references to a Cylon nature.
*Statements from official sources.


::Two points to resolve this.  One, we'll just check next episode, and if they consistently call it ''Laura'' and never "Blackbird" we change the name. Two, next episode the Battlestar Pegasus is showing up, with a full compliment of Vipers, so that should kind of render it a moot point for a while.  ---Ricimer, 17 Sept, 2005
Simple suspicious activity or hidden motives are found in all characters and should not be included. Clues should relate to specific extrahuman/Cylon events, or specific foreshadowing, not speculation of what might be true.
:::Perhaps it's the Blackbird-class Viper "Laura", where Laura is the name of that particular ship. Well, I guess we'll find out later. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:24, 17 September 2005 (EDT)


:::: Huh. I hadn't thought of most of those things. I got the impression that it was a Blackbird (implicitly Mark I) named Laura. So, I wouldn't call it a Viper. But there's nothing conclusive yet. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:23, 19 September 2005 (EDT)
===General Constraints===
:::::In the blog I linked to below, David Eick says that it's definitely ''not'' a Viper, but something completely new. He also says it's the only stealth ship in the Fleet, which I guess might say somehting about the Colonial military mindset. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 14:28, 20 September 2005 (EDT)
Any character, with the likely exceptions of [[Karl Agathon]] and [[Cally Tyrol]], who have fathered half-Cylon children with Cylons<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Frak Party Q and A|act=|id=hybridnick|timestamp=22:41|totalrunning=78:27}}</ref>, could be the final Cylon. The [[Final Five]] are a "fundamentally different"
::::::Well, we wouldn't know if the Colonial Military had stealth craft before the attack or not, since none of them escaped with ''Galactica''. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:45, 20 September 2005 (EDT)
kind of Cylon <ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Frak Party Q and A|act=|id=ffdifferent|timestamp=19:05|totalrunning=78:27}}</ref> and having children, apparent parents, a deep history including experience in the first Cylon war, injuries and a green light from the Cylon detector do not disqualify a character. Connection with the [[Temple of Five]] and Earth suggests the final Cylon is, in some sense, older than the colonies. Dead characters are not excluded. The final Cylon may or may not be aware of his or her nature.  It is expected that the unmasking of the final Cylon will be a highly dramatic event, similar in grandeur to the revelation of the other four members of the Final Five.


*The latest video blog ([http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/bts/videoblog/ here]) has Eick calling it the Blackbird, not the Laura, so I guess that is the accepted name afterall. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 11:20, 20 September 2005 (EDT)
The agenda of the Final Cylon and Final Five is unknown, but appears to not be directly aligned with that of the Significant Seven. The Final Five, or somebody acting for them, acted in the early programming of the Significant Seven to install a compulsion not to think of the Final Five. D'Anna Biers's vision of the Final Five led her to speak of "the one who programmed us." {{TRS|Rapture}}


Blackbird is the name of the ship type (like "Viper" or "Raptor"), Laura is the name of the ship itself. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 17:08, 25 September 2005 (EDT)
The 11 revealed Cylons are 7 males and 4 females. A female final Cylon would lessen, but not fully correct that imbalance.
:Apollo just called it the Blackbird in "Pegasus". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:28, 25 September 2005 (EDT)
:With only one Blackbird, the group will call it only by its kind's name. If more are made, maybe the nicknames will be used, maybe not. This nicknaming was common in WWII on bomber aircraft, but right now it's just an honorific. Militarily, "Blackbird" rolls off the tongue better and appears as the common usage right now. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:37, 26 September 2005 (EDT)


== Blackbird's Shape, and the Shuttle Orbiter ==
===Multi-character clues===
====Statement by the First Hybrid====
The [[First Hybrid]] says this about the final Cylon:
:"The fifth is still is in shadow, drawn toward the light, hungering for redemption, that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering." {{TRS|Razor}}


According to online sources, the design of a stealth aircraft uses angles along the fuselage and a low profile to cause radar signals to bounce erratically off of it, causing a small radar image, perhaps the size of a bird, if at all. Further reduction of the radar bounceback can be done by using radar-absorbing materials (RAM), which absorb radar energy, emitting heat as a by-product. While carbon-composite materials may not actually be in truth RAM material, in Galactica's universe, DRADIS may not be sensitive to it. Color does not matter for RAM material; this is a matter of visual stealth and aesthetics. In the case of the American aircraft mentioned in the article as a stealth fighter, its shape is less used in stealth, but obviously RAM is used for this purpose.
====Four with the Fleet====
[[D'Anna Biers]] states that "Four [of the Final Five] are in your fleet." {{TRS|Revelations}} At the time, [[Gaius Baltar]], [[Laura Roslin]], [[William Adama]] and [[Karl Agathon]] are not with the Fleet. Furthermore, [[Diana Seelix]] and [[Brendan Constanza]], as well as several minor characters are away from the Fleet too. However, it is uncertain if she intends the statement to be so accurate as to exclude everyone who is not literally with the Fleet at that time, although she only demands four be delivered and is prepared to destroy the Fleet with nuclear weapons, which would destroy the fifth if he/she is hidden within the Fleet.


Sources
====Other====
* [http://www.airforce-technology.com/glossary/radar-absorbent-material.html Definition of RAM]<br>
*Just before being boxed, D'Anna Biers tells Cavil, "There are five other Cylons, brother," ruling out any of the seven known models as also belonging to the Final Five {{TRS|Rapture}}.
* [http://www.danshistory.com/f117.shtml Info on the F-117 Stealth Fighter]
*The often prophetic [[Leoben Conoy]] tells Laura Roslin that "Adama is a Cylon." At that time he should have no knowledge of the Final Five, and programming not to think about them {{TRS|Flesh and Bone}}.
*[[Gaeta's Lament|Gaeta's song]] about a female sleeping being in the shirt of man, whom he prays will awake may suggest a female final Cylon sleeper.


The entire vehicle that lifts off the pad at Cape Canaveral is officially known as the ''Space Transportation System'', or STS. Colloquially the entire launch vehicle is also known as the Space Shuttle. The ''Orbiter'' is the official name of the winged vehicle and the only part of the launch vehicle with its form of carbon composite known as Reinforced Carbon-Carbon, which is why I'm a stickler in noting the Orbiter, not the entire Shuttle stack, uses carbon composites. Since the Blackbird uses a kind of carbon composite that can cover the entire ship, the material is significantly lighter than RCC, which has some weight and greater fragility than what Galactica's carbon composite appears to be. Perhaps they use carbon-fiber composites similar to that found in our popular in racing bicycles. Perhaps they use graphite...who knows? Whatever it is, it's lightweight. 00:17, 18 September 2005 (EDT)
===Official Statements===
*Season 4 will "further blur the line between Cylon and human" and "redefine what it is to be a Cylon"
*[[Bradley Thompson]] stated "If memory serves, [the identity of the] fifth (which may change) we've been kicking around since about the end of Season One."<ref>[[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive8#Identity of the Final Five|BW:OC#Identity of the Final Five]]</ref>
*During a Q&A session on the official Sci Fi channel Battlestar Galactica forum Ronald D. Moore notes that he already knows who the last Cylon is, and that he's already left clues as to who it is<ref>[http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2270103&st=0&p=3041263&#entry3041263 20 Answers - SCI FI FORUMS] Retrieved 03-27-2007</ref>.
*The fifth Cylon will be "organic and satisfying.  It won't be some day player from Season 1." says SciFi Channel VP Mark Stern.<ref>T.V. Guide, July 14-20, 2008</ref>  Stern describes it as "delicious" and "one of those things that are right under your nose and you don't expect it&mdash;but it makes total sense."  He says, "it doesn't feel arbitrary, It feels like it could have been planned all along."<ref>[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ed-martin/who-is-the-twelfth-cylon_b_123865.html Huffington Post interview with Stern]</ref>
*"I can tell you it's someone you've seen. It won't be a guest-star" says Ronald Moore.<ref>ComicCon 2008 panel</ref> In producer-speak, a "guest star" is any non-regular, however Moore probably meant a brand-new guest star.


==FTL Drive==
====YouWillKnowTheTruth====
A Sci-Fi Channel promotional site, [[YouWillKnowTheTruth]], details various clues, many possibly related to the identity of the final Cylon
* "You don't know my name."&mdash;This could refer to characters whose full names are not known to the audience, such as [[Cottle]] or {{callsign|Crashdown}}, or to the Virtual being, whose name is entirely unknown.
* [[Laura Roslin]]'s disappearance from [[The Last Supper]] may be interpreted as a sign of her death, or of her no longer being eliminated by that clue.
* The foetus with a red spine may refer to [[Hera]], [[Caprica-Six]]'s unborn child or [[Nicholas]].
* Several scenes with discussion of the Cylon God may indicate a connection to this being.  We also don't know the Cylon god's name.
* Baltar's statement "seems we both made rather bad choices when it comes to our Presidential aides-du-camp, wouldn't you say?" seems to compare Gaeta and Tory Foster.  His loyalties are described as divided.


So now we know. Now somebody explain to me how Starbuck could sneak right up the Cylon's preverbial arses yet still set off the Fleet's Dradis while still outside of visual contact. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 23:03, 6 January 2006 (EST)
==Dead Characters==
:Blackbird presumably has a silent running mode of sorts; as you could see in "Flight of the Phoenix" they announced "no Dradis contact" when Starbuck *killed the engines* and turned her lights off.  So it seems that, at the time, they were expecting it to have a contact.  Starbuck probably kicked her engines on FULL BLAST here because she WANTED to get their attention. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 23:40, 6 January 2006 (EST)


:: Yeah. I imagine it's an emissions management issues. Notice, too, that when shew flew by the Ressurection Ship, she seemed to switch off several systems, perhaps in order to reduce the electricity that she was using. I bet she did a lot of engine flaring, creating a large infrared signature. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:43, 6 January 2006 (EST)
===[[Ellen Tigh]]===
*Tigh burns a picture of Ellen with his cigar, giving her a [http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn135/timtrace/?action=view&current=etighburn.jpg big, glowing red eye] {{TRS|Miniseries}}.
*Ellen's sudden appearance in the Fleet with no other person having a recollection as to how {{TRS|Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down}}.
*Intense curiosity over specifics of quest for Earth.
*Sexual relationship with a Cavil on New Caprica.
*Ellen's appearance to her husband in visions while he is with [[Caprica-Six]].
*After Baltar declares all Cylon tests will be green, Virtual Six asks what the real result of her test was, which is peculiar as she should see what he sees.  He says, "I'll never tell." {{TRS|Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down}}


:::Good points. But look at that scene again. She's awfully darned close to the Resurrection Ship (and presumably inside the defense perimeter of the two Basestars) when she shuts everything down (I'm presuming that's RDM's intended indicator that the Blackbird has gone quiet). When she lights up again (including restarting her engines and spinning up her FTL) she only a hair's breadth out of the innards of the R.S. It seems to me that in both situations she should have drawn attention. I think this was probably a cheat on RDM's part for the sake of visual and expositional brevity. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 23:56, 6 January 2006 (EST)
===[[Elosha]]===
*Recent return as a spirit guide may hint at a larger role. However producer's statements say she was a quick last minute replacement for [[Billy Keikeya]]. <ref>[[Podcast:The Hub]]</ref>


:::: Yeah. I do, too. THough, I think it would have been equally understandable and within the style of the show to simply show her close to the R.S., then show her far away and jumping. There's plenty of implied action elsewhere in the series. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:50, 7 January 2006 (EST)
===[[Cally Tyrol]]===
*Negative: She suffered greatly from exposure to vacuum with Galen, while he was not much harmed.
*Negative: Her son Nicholas has been identified by Moore as half-human, half-Cylon.{{citation needed}}


:::::Wow... Somebody agreed with me. I'm gonna have to print this out. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 00:59, 7 January 2006 (EST)
===[[Helena Cain]]===
*She is in great need of redemption, given her actions.


::::::It doesn't matter that the Blackbird could have been detected on DRADIS just before it jumped back to the Fleet, the time between power up and the jump itself was only a second or two, not nearly enough time for a firing solution, never mind actual ordnance to traverse the distance between the Basestars and the Blackbird itself. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:15, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
===[[Kendra Shaw]]===
*Hungers for redemption.
*Is the only person to hear the [[First Hybrid]]'s prophecies.


The FTL drive could've come from [[Raptor 305]], scrapped in "[[Fragged]]" --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:01, 7 January 2006 (EST)
== Eliminated Characters==
: It's also possible that it could have come from [[Pegasus_(RDM)|Pegasus]], considering that it was mostly likely on the ship when [[Lee_Adama|Apollo]] gave [[Kara_Thrace|Starbuck]] the equipment for the original recon mission for the R.S. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:22, 19 January 2006 (EST)


::No, the Blackbird was on Galactica; Chief Tyrol asked Laird where it had gone, this scene was aboard Galactica. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:15, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
The following characters are eliminated from consideration by the clues above. However for those who feel those clues are misinterpreted, the following clues exist.


== No Transponder? ==
===[[Kara Thrace]]===
*To all appearances killed in explosion, then returns two months later in brand-new Viper {{TRS|Crossroads, Part II}}.
*Painting mandala since childhood.
*Seeks redemption for destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'' and the death of [[Zak Adama]].
*Told by Leoben and oracles that she has a special [[The Destiny|destiny]].
*Predicted by the [[First Hybrid]] to lead the human race to its end, to be the herald of the apocalypse and the harbinger of death {{TRS|Razor}}.


It seems far more likely to me that she simply toggled the transponder off. Being a transmission source, it should be able to be on or off as desired in a stealth ship. It seems wildly risky to omit one completely, though. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 00:31, 11 January 2006 (EST)
===[[Laura Roslin]]===
: It had to have been transmitting some kind of signal for both Galactica and Pegasus to pick it up on DRADIS, friendly or hostile signature notwithstanding. --[[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 00:39, 11 January 2006 (EST)
*One of the few humans to experience Cylon related visions. (Possible explanations include [[chamalla]] and blood transfusions from [[Hera Agathon|Hera]].)
*Also apparently shares [[Emily Kowalski]]'s dying vision of trip to afterlife {{TRS|Faith}}.
*Ruled out as being one of the four revealed members in podcast for "[[Crossroads, Part II]]".
*The unboxed Three tells Roslin she is a member of the final five, then says she was joking just to see her reaction.


== Fate of the Blackbird ==
===[[Felix Gaeta]]===
*Sings a [[Gaeta's Lament|song]] which could imply knowledge of a Cylon sleeper awakening.
*Note: His stabbing of Baltar has [[Taking a Break From All Your Worries#From the podcast|an unaired explanation]].
*Negative: David Eick stated that they debated whether Gaeta or Anders should be one of the four revealed Cylons for some time, suggesting he is not the fifth.<ref>San Diego ComicCon Panel 2008</ref>


As mentioned in the article, we did see [[Lee_Adama|Apollo]] eject from the 'Bird, yet the fate of the craft wasn't ascertained. Any thoughts?  My thought would be that the craft was destroyed, given the amount of damage the craft tookAnd, if it wasn't destroyed (or the Cylons manage to discover and salvage the craft), what then?  --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:22, 19 January 2006 (EST)
===[[Gaius Baltar]]===
*Survives a nuclear explosion that destroys his home, essentially unscathed {{TRS|Miniseries}}.
*Frames [[Aaron Doral]] as a Cylon, who then turns out to be one (Miniseries).
*The Hybrid declares him "The Chosen One" and said he had "A mind that burns like fire."  The secrets of the Temple of Five are only to be revealed to that chosen one {{TRS|The Eye of Jupiter}}.
*Has a [[Virtual Six|Six in his head]] that claims to be an angel from God, as well as a [[Virtual Baltar]] similar to Caprica-Six's.
*Seemingly able to cure a boy of viral meningitis by praying, as instructed by Virtual Six {{TRS|He That Believeth in Me}}.
*Seen as the messiah by a [[Cult of Baltar|cult]].
*Unconsciously knows what part of Cylon base to attack {{TRS|The Hand of God (RDM)}}.
*By a considerable margin, the (living) character most in need of, and hungering for redemption, considering his role in the downfall of mankind.
*Often hopes that he is a Cylon; has stated he would find redemption in learning he is a Cylon.
*Cylons are uncannily attracted to him, and three of the four female models have had sexual relations with him.
*After [[Number Three]] sees image of Final Five in Temple of Five, she declares to him "So beautifulYou were right." The primary thing he has been insisting to her is that he may be a Cylon.
*Declared to be one of the smartest Colonials alive. Genius ability with computers. Demonstrable ability to cover up his background {{TRS|Taking a Break From All Your Worries}}.
*Declared to be the father, with her, of the new hybrid race by Virtual Six {{TRS|Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II}}.
*Appears in visions of the [[Opera House]] seen by Roslin. He also sees the Opera House in visions led by his inner Six.
*Receives special attention from D'Anna Biers after her unboxing, more than any other character {{TRS|The Hub}}.


: In real life, carbon-composite is very fragile, and the Colonials certainly acted as if it is for them, too (though less fragile). My guess is that the initial impact tore ''Laura'' up pretty good and then being unwhole did further damage. A Viper would probably have been recoverable at least, if still scrap, but I bet our stealth ship is just so much metal and bits floating about now. Perhaps time will tell.--[[User:Day|Day]] 01:18, 20 January 2006 (EST)
===[[Anastasia Dualla]]===
*An Adama by marriage, she was not an Adama when Leoben made his pronouncement {{TRS|Flesh and Bone}}. Other clues remain inconclusive.
*Her name, Anastasia means "resurrection" and Dualla means "duo" implying a duality of some kind.
*Survives poisoning that kills most other characters who receive it {{TRS|The Woman King}}.  (Robert's statement that he did not harm her suggests that she may not have been poisoned.)


::Indeed.  Though I kind of see Blackbird as a plot mechanic for the ''Cain'' trilogy. Now that they have lots of Vipers from Pegasus, I think they'll be more concerned with servicing them again and not have enough time for Blackbird.  You never know.  Heck, maybe they could salvage the ''pieces'' from it, then build essentially a "new" Blackbird from the salvaged parts, ''Laura II''. Time will tell, sooner or later.  Always does.  --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 13:27, 20 January 2006 (EST)
===[[William Adama]]===
*One of the few to experience Cylon related visions (in the room with [[First Hybrid]]) ([[Razor]], extended version).
*Negative: Ruled out as being one of the 4 revealed members in podcast for "Crossroads".
*Seeks redemption over fear he started the war {{TRS|Hero}}.
*Although Conoy may well be lying in order to confuse Roslin in "[[Flesh and Bone]]," it appears most likely that he refers to William Adama.


== Blackbird on Pegasus' Dradis ==
===[[Lee Adama]]===
*Described as "in his father's shadow" by [[Romo Lampkin]].
*Negative: Orders destruction of Temple of Five, which Final Five member Tyrol is unable to carry out.
*Seeks some redemption for the destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''.
*Lee Adama's query "What if it had been Zak in that Viper?" may also subtly refer to himself.
*Negative: The game of hostage brinksmanship with D'Anna Biers {{TRS|Revelations}} seems highly unlikely if she knows him to be the final Cylon.


'''"The Blackbird is in visual range of the Fleet long before DRADIS detects her approach."'''
==More Speculative Options==


Uh, Spence, guys... are we absolutely '''''sure''''' about this:
Most highly speculative options are ruled out by producer statements that the final Cylon will not be a day player or never before seen guest star. All of the company regularly profess that they believe the ending and revelation will be highly satisfying to fans.


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===Virtual Being/Beings===
The various [[Virtual beings]] appear to be a manifestation of some external being or beings.  There may be just one being behind the vision that Baltar sees as a Six and as himself, that [[Caprica-Six]] sees as Baltar and which Starbuck saw as Leoben.  This "character" is both unseen and at the same time one of the most popular regular characters, most commonly appearing as a sexy Six.  The being (or one of the several beings) could take the role of the final Cylon.  If so, the being would appear played by regular cast members such as [[James Callis]] or [[Tricia Helfer]], but be distinct from the characters they normally play.
*The being claims to be an agent of the Cylon [[God (RDM)|God]].
*The being has manipulated a considerable number of key events in the journey of the Fleet and Kara Thrace's destiny.
*When D'Anna Biers sees the Final Five, she may see the being in any form. Since Caprica-Six sees the being as her lover Baltar, Biers may also have seen Baltar. This explains the profuse apology, her telling him "you were right" and her believing that there are only "four in your fleet."
*The being is the only regular character not subject to fan speculation about being a Cylon, because most fans concluded it already was a Cylon due to the form and statements of Baltar's Virtual Six.  However, the being is clearly not one of the Significant Seven.  This "hiding in plain sight" is a popular dramatic trick.
*D'Anna Biers speaks to Cavil of "the one who programmed us" after seeing the Final Five.
*Negative: No clear relation to First Hybrid's prophecy or Gaeta's song.


It looks to me that Starbuck popped up on Pegasus' Dradis out near the outer reaches of its sensitivity... well before anyone reported a visual. (Or did you mean, Spence, that Starbuck peek-a-booed the fleet before they saw her?)
===Additional Candidates===
*The Cylon [[God (RDM)|God]] is frequently referenced as a real and intervening being.
*While seemingly ruled out by D'Anna Biers's declaration that there are "five other Cylons," it may be possible that one of the Significant Seven, in particular a special one like [[Sharon Valerii]] may lead a dual existence.
*The [[First Hybrid]] states that his existence would "begin again in ways uncertain" after his destruction {{TRS|Razor}}.
*Materials for ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'' state that there were Cylon models based on the human memories of at least three people, however Moore has stated no new characters from Caprica will appear in the series.
*The nature of the being, represented by an internal image of Leoben Conoy, who appears to [[Kara Thrace]] in "[[Maelstrom]]" is unknown.
*Original [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]] units not on the [[Guardian basestar]] when it is destroyed could still exist.
*The slavery of the robotic Cylons has become an important Cylon issue. Non-biological forms could be represented in the Final Five.


:You may be right...but it seemed that the Blackbird snuck up on both of the battlestars. Take a look at what Thrace can see when you pops back in and you can see how close she is to the Fleet--she was close enough to see the  chicken fight, if I remember right. That's awfully close to the Fleet from an attack perspective. Do write in your take on it and let others confirm what you (or I) interpreted. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:33, 22 January 2006 (EST)
==References==
 
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::I think this is likely another one of those scenes the editors elected to fudge for the sake understandability for the more casual viewer (they really can't worry about people like us -- it would take them a year to make an episode). You're right, Spence. If Starbuck had had laser guided missles, she would have been able to stuff one right up somebody's exhaust. ''At the same time'' neither Galactica's nor Pegasus' Vipers have any idea she's out there -- she comes up on none of their Dradis sweeps (at first anyway). Only Pegasus herself detects Starbuck. And damn fast at that. In fact so fast we must assume: (1) Pegasus' Dradis hardware is better than what's aboard the Vipers (very plausible). (2) Pegasus' Dradis is superior to Galactica's (also acceptable). (3) Pegasus' Dradis far outstrips that of the Cylons (I find that highly frakkin' unlikely).
::I see no logical way to reconcile that last bit. Coupled with the above image of Blackbird right on the hairy edge of Pegasus' Dradis sweep, I think this scene has a host of issues especially when it's compared to the scene which proceeded it. It's just something they decided to let go for the sake of expediancy and dramatic effect.
::(BTW. This really came up because I misinterpreted your sentence. I thought by "in visual range of the Fleet long before DRADIS detects her approach" you meant she was seen (by pilots or whatnot) before her presence registered on Dradis.) --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 16:25, 22 January 2006 (EST)
 
:::*1) Pegasus could simply be closer to where Blackbird came back (by a matter of a few hundred feet).
:::*2) We don't know that Pegasus saw it "first"; we the audience just happen to see Pegasus' CIC reaction first. 
:::*3) Pegasus and Galactica's Vipers are focusing on shooting each other, and for all we know, they ''did'' see the Blackbird, the camera just cuts to the CIC first.
:::*4) As RDM stated in the podcast, Starbuck WANTED to be seen.  As we saw in FotP, it's not stealth ''all the time''; that is, powering down non=essential systems, etc.  Basically, after talking with Apollo, Starbuck was trying to get everyone's attention to stop everyone. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 16:37, 22 January 2006 (EST)
 
::::Agree, particularly point 4. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:54, 22 January 2006 (EST)
 
 
Regarding the edit on January 27th, it was posted that "The Blackbird was likely detected only because of Starbuck transmitting a response message to Apollo aboard a Raptor, another testament to her stealth prowess" (I originally thought it was meant that it was detected in the battle); however, this should be removed by the very fact that the paragraphs immediately above what I'm writing now exist:  we don't know at all that transmitting a message had anything to do with it, and the podcast seems to imply that it was because she turned on her engines full blast.  This line should be removed.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:00, 27 January 2006 (EST)
 
:That is an entirely reasonable point. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:14, 27 January 2006 (EST)
 
::My point is entirely reasonable?  Thanks.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 01:37, 27 January 2006 (EST)
 
::: Well, Ricimer... When you're right, you're right. The only reason your previous edits were reverted is because it was obvious you were thinking of another scene. However, once you figured out what scene it was actually talking about, you, very astutely, saw that the sentence very well ''should'' have been removed. All you have to do to get people to agree with you around here is have good reason or good logic. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:53, 27 January 2006 (EST)
 
==Appearance before Construction?==
 
I was just watching [[Flight of the Phoenix]], the scene of the [[Great Cylon Turkey Shoot]], when I noticed a rather familiar-looking vessel flying through the carnage.
 
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/HauntedMike/possible_blackbird_1.jpg
 
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/HauntedMike/possible_blackbird_2.jpg
 
These screenshots were taken from an avi file, for simplicity, hence the slightly lower quality. This is at approximately 33:33, or Chapter 5 8:19 on the DVD.
 
IS this the Blackbird? It sure looks like it to me. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 13:22, 7 September 2006 (CDT)
 
:Good spot! I took this better quality image from my DVDs
:http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4618/blackbirdvsraidersmc7.jpg
:Looks like the blackbird to me :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 13:57, 7 September 2006 (CDT)
::It's not a Cylon Raider. It's not a mark II. It's not a mark VII. I'd agree that it appears to be a "blackbird". Fans like you are the bane of editors everywhere. (They might have included it thinking the Blackbird might get to take part in the fighting, but then not pulled it once it got the final sequences got established.) Good catch! --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:05, 7 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Worth a test in [[BW:OC]].  I think we could upload that. lol. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 15:30, 7 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Hehe, thanks. I just randomly noticed it- it was the third time or something that I've watched the episode on DVD, and then *pow*, there it was. So, shall I post this in the BW:OC section, or do one of you guys want to? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 07:16, 8 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::Your discovery! --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 07:24, 8 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::I just went through my iTunes Music Store download of Flight of the Phoenix, and I notice it's not even the Blackbird flying before commisioning, it's the Blackbird flying before it's built! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 07:44, 8 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Yep, that's true, it was befor it was completed. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:09, 8 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Now '''that's''' what I call an efficient deck crew. Or a resourceful pilot. (Or a production goof.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:23, 8 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::::Hehe yeah, I noticed that after I posted. Have changed the title to reflect. Also: put up on [[BW:OC]] --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:51, 8 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::Hmm, I just noticed, the Blackbird also shoots during this, even though, as stated in [[BW:OC]], the Blackbird doesn't have any guns on it! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 07:30, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::::It was an edditing mistake. [[User:JosephK19|JosephK19]] 13:30, 29 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::We know :) Mr Thompson answered our question on the [[BW:OC]] page --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 13:54, 29 September 2006 (CDT)
 
== Article cleanup ==
 
I do think that the article could stand to use some cleanup... mainly in the copy editing department. I've started some work on it, since it annoyed me so much...
 
I removed the contention that the Blackbird doesn't have a transmitter. There's no reason to really note this... she could have simply deactivated the thing while in silent running mode. Clearly, a stealth ship would have such an ability. Until we get confirmation either way, I've just removed the thing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 21:34, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Revision as of 05:08, 21 February 2024

This article is based on plausible speculation, which can violate policies on fan-generated theories if analysis is taken too far.


Note: This article is protected from edits and kept around as an archive of the speculation that took place before the reveal of the final Cylon. See also Humanoid Cylon Speculation for another such page.

A central mystery of the fourth season concerns who the last member of the Cylon Final Five is. What follows is a compilation of significant clues suggesting or refuting that a character is the final Cylon.

Notes on Clues

Clues as to the identity of hidden Cylons have been historically rare in the series. These are the clues which have actually pointed to a real Cylon:

Clues entered here must be concrete, from canon or official sources. They should be either:

  • Extrahuman events relating to a character.
  • Clear dramatic references to a Cylon nature.
  • Statements from official sources.

Simple suspicious activity or hidden motives are found in all characters and should not be included. Clues should relate to specific extrahuman/Cylon events, or specific foreshadowing, not speculation of what might be true.

General Constraints

Any character, with the likely exceptions of Karl Agathon and Cally Tyrol, who have fathered half-Cylon children with Cylons[1], could be the final Cylon. The Final Five are a "fundamentally different" kind of Cylon [2] and having children, apparent parents, a deep history including experience in the first Cylon war, injuries and a green light from the Cylon detector do not disqualify a character. Connection with the Temple of Five and Earth suggests the final Cylon is, in some sense, older than the colonies. Dead characters are not excluded. The final Cylon may or may not be aware of his or her nature. It is expected that the unmasking of the final Cylon will be a highly dramatic event, similar in grandeur to the revelation of the other four members of the Final Five.

The agenda of the Final Cylon and Final Five is unknown, but appears to not be directly aligned with that of the Significant Seven. The Final Five, or somebody acting for them, acted in the early programming of the Significant Seven to install a compulsion not to think of the Final Five. D'Anna Biers's vision of the Final Five led her to speak of "the one who programmed us." (TRS: "Rapture")

The 11 revealed Cylons are 7 males and 4 females. A female final Cylon would lessen, but not fully correct that imbalance.

Multi-character clues

Statement by the First Hybrid

The First Hybrid says this about the final Cylon:

"The fifth is still is in shadow, drawn toward the light, hungering for redemption, that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering." (TRS: "Razor")

Four with the Fleet

D'Anna Biers states that "Four [of the Final Five] are in your fleet." (TRS: "Revelations") At the time, Gaius Baltar, Laura Roslin, William Adama and Karl Agathon are not with the Fleet. Furthermore, Diana Seelix and Brendan Constanza, as well as several minor characters are away from the Fleet too. However, it is uncertain if she intends the statement to be so accurate as to exclude everyone who is not literally with the Fleet at that time, although she only demands four be delivered and is prepared to destroy the Fleet with nuclear weapons, which would destroy the fifth if he/she is hidden within the Fleet.

Other

  • Just before being boxed, D'Anna Biers tells Cavil, "There are five other Cylons, brother," ruling out any of the seven known models as also belonging to the Final Five (TRS: "Rapture").
  • The often prophetic Leoben Conoy tells Laura Roslin that "Adama is a Cylon." At that time he should have no knowledge of the Final Five, and programming not to think about them (TRS: "Flesh and Bone").
  • Gaeta's song about a female sleeping being in the shirt of man, whom he prays will awake may suggest a female final Cylon sleeper.

Official Statements

  • Season 4 will "further blur the line between Cylon and human" and "redefine what it is to be a Cylon"
  • Bradley Thompson stated "If memory serves, [the identity of the] fifth (which may change) we've been kicking around since about the end of Season One."[3]
  • During a Q&A session on the official Sci Fi channel Battlestar Galactica forum Ronald D. Moore notes that he already knows who the last Cylon is, and that he's already left clues as to who it is[4].
  • The fifth Cylon will be "organic and satisfying. It won't be some day player from Season 1." says SciFi Channel VP Mark Stern.[5] Stern describes it as "delicious" and "one of those things that are right under your nose and you don't expect it—but it makes total sense." He says, "it doesn't feel arbitrary, It feels like it could have been planned all along."[6]
  • "I can tell you it's someone you've seen. It won't be a guest-star" says Ronald Moore.[7] In producer-speak, a "guest star" is any non-regular, however Moore probably meant a brand-new guest star.

YouWillKnowTheTruth

A Sci-Fi Channel promotional site, YouWillKnowTheTruth, details various clues, many possibly related to the identity of the final Cylon

  • "You don't know my name."—This could refer to characters whose full names are not known to the audience, such as Cottle or Alex "Crashdown" Quartararo, or to the Virtual being, whose name is entirely unknown.
  • Laura Roslin's disappearance from The Last Supper may be interpreted as a sign of her death, or of her no longer being eliminated by that clue.
  • The foetus with a red spine may refer to Hera, Caprica-Six's unborn child or Nicholas.
  • Several scenes with discussion of the Cylon God may indicate a connection to this being. We also don't know the Cylon god's name.
  • Baltar's statement "seems we both made rather bad choices when it comes to our Presidential aides-du-camp, wouldn't you say?" seems to compare Gaeta and Tory Foster. His loyalties are described as divided.

Dead Characters

  • Tigh burns a picture of Ellen with his cigar, giving her a big, glowing red eye (TRS: "Miniseries").
  • Ellen's sudden appearance in the Fleet with no other person having a recollection as to how (TRS: "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down").
  • Intense curiosity over specifics of quest for Earth.
  • Sexual relationship with a Cavil on New Caprica.
  • Ellen's appearance to her husband in visions while he is with Caprica-Six.
  • After Baltar declares all Cylon tests will be green, Virtual Six asks what the real result of her test was, which is peculiar as she should see what he sees. He says, "I'll never tell." (TRS: "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down")
  • Recent return as a spirit guide may hint at a larger role. However producer's statements say she was a quick last minute replacement for Billy Keikeya. [8]
  • Negative: She suffered greatly from exposure to vacuum with Galen, while he was not much harmed.
  • Negative: Her son Nicholas has been identified by Moore as half-human, half-Cylon.[citation needed]
  • She is in great need of redemption, given her actions.
  • Hungers for redemption.
  • Is the only person to hear the First Hybrid's prophecies.

Eliminated Characters

The following characters are eliminated from consideration by the clues above. However for those who feel those clues are misinterpreted, the following clues exist.

  • To all appearances killed in explosion, then returns two months later in brand-new Viper (TRS: "Crossroads, Part II").
  • Painting mandala since childhood.
  • Seeks redemption for destruction of the Olympic Carrier and the death of Zak Adama.
  • Told by Leoben and oracles that she has a special destiny.
  • Predicted by the First Hybrid to lead the human race to its end, to be the herald of the apocalypse and the harbinger of death (TRS: "Razor").
  • One of the few humans to experience Cylon related visions. (Possible explanations include chamalla and blood transfusions from Hera.)
  • Also apparently shares Emily Kowalski's dying vision of trip to afterlife (TRS: "Faith").
  • Ruled out as being one of the four revealed members in podcast for "Crossroads, Part II".
  • The unboxed Three tells Roslin she is a member of the final five, then says she was joking just to see her reaction.
  • Sings a song which could imply knowledge of a Cylon sleeper awakening.
  • Note: His stabbing of Baltar has an unaired explanation.
  • Negative: David Eick stated that they debated whether Gaeta or Anders should be one of the four revealed Cylons for some time, suggesting he is not the fifth.[9]
  • Survives a nuclear explosion that destroys his home, essentially unscathed (TRS: "Miniseries").
  • Frames Aaron Doral as a Cylon, who then turns out to be one (Miniseries).
  • The Hybrid declares him "The Chosen One" and said he had "A mind that burns like fire." The secrets of the Temple of Five are only to be revealed to that chosen one (TRS: "The Eye of Jupiter").
  • Has a Six in his head that claims to be an angel from God, as well as a Virtual Baltar similar to Caprica-Six's.
  • Seemingly able to cure a boy of viral meningitis by praying, as instructed by Virtual Six (TRS: "He That Believeth in Me").
  • Seen as the messiah by a cult.
  • Unconsciously knows what part of Cylon base to attack (TRS: "The Hand of God").
  • By a considerable margin, the (living) character most in need of, and hungering for redemption, considering his role in the downfall of mankind.
  • Often hopes that he is a Cylon; has stated he would find redemption in learning he is a Cylon.
  • Cylons are uncannily attracted to him, and three of the four female models have had sexual relations with him.
  • After Number Three sees image of Final Five in Temple of Five, she declares to him "So beautiful. You were right." The primary thing he has been insisting to her is that he may be a Cylon.
  • Declared to be one of the smartest Colonials alive. Genius ability with computers. Demonstrable ability to cover up his background (TRS: "Taking a Break From All Your Worries").
  • Declared to be the father, with her, of the new hybrid race by Virtual Six (TRS: "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II").
  • Appears in visions of the Opera House seen by Roslin. He also sees the Opera House in visions led by his inner Six.
  • Receives special attention from D'Anna Biers after her unboxing, more than any other character (TRS: "The Hub").
  • An Adama by marriage, she was not an Adama when Leoben made his pronouncement (TRS: "Flesh and Bone"). Other clues remain inconclusive.
  • Her name, Anastasia means "resurrection" and Dualla means "duo" implying a duality of some kind.
  • Survives poisoning that kills most other characters who receive it (TRS: "The Woman King"). (Robert's statement that he did not harm her suggests that she may not have been poisoned.)
  • One of the few to experience Cylon related visions (in the room with First Hybrid) (Razor, extended version).
  • Negative: Ruled out as being one of the 4 revealed members in podcast for "Crossroads".
  • Seeks redemption over fear he started the war (TRS: "Hero").
  • Although Conoy may well be lying in order to confuse Roslin in "Flesh and Bone," it appears most likely that he refers to William Adama.
  • Described as "in his father's shadow" by Romo Lampkin.
  • Negative: Orders destruction of Temple of Five, which Final Five member Tyrol is unable to carry out.
  • Seeks some redemption for the destruction of the Olympic Carrier.
  • Lee Adama's query "What if it had been Zak in that Viper?" may also subtly refer to himself.
  • Negative: The game of hostage brinksmanship with D'Anna Biers (TRS: "Revelations") seems highly unlikely if she knows him to be the final Cylon.

More Speculative Options

Most highly speculative options are ruled out by producer statements that the final Cylon will not be a day player or never before seen guest star. All of the company regularly profess that they believe the ending and revelation will be highly satisfying to fans.

Virtual Being/Beings

The various Virtual beings appear to be a manifestation of some external being or beings. There may be just one being behind the vision that Baltar sees as a Six and as himself, that Caprica-Six sees as Baltar and which Starbuck saw as Leoben. This "character" is both unseen and at the same time one of the most popular regular characters, most commonly appearing as a sexy Six. The being (or one of the several beings) could take the role of the final Cylon. If so, the being would appear played by regular cast members such as James Callis or Tricia Helfer, but be distinct from the characters they normally play.

  • The being claims to be an agent of the Cylon God.
  • The being has manipulated a considerable number of key events in the journey of the Fleet and Kara Thrace's destiny.
  • When D'Anna Biers sees the Final Five, she may see the being in any form. Since Caprica-Six sees the being as her lover Baltar, Biers may also have seen Baltar. This explains the profuse apology, her telling him "you were right" and her believing that there are only "four in your fleet."
  • The being is the only regular character not subject to fan speculation about being a Cylon, because most fans concluded it already was a Cylon due to the form and statements of Baltar's Virtual Six. However, the being is clearly not one of the Significant Seven. This "hiding in plain sight" is a popular dramatic trick.
  • D'Anna Biers speaks to Cavil of "the one who programmed us" after seeing the Final Five.
  • Negative: No clear relation to First Hybrid's prophecy or Gaeta's song.

Additional Candidates

  • The Cylon God is frequently referenced as a real and intervening being.
  • While seemingly ruled out by D'Anna Biers's declaration that there are "five other Cylons," it may be possible that one of the Significant Seven, in particular a special one like Sharon Valerii may lead a dual existence.
  • The First Hybrid states that his existence would "begin again in ways uncertain" after his destruction (TRS: "Razor").
  • Materials for Caprica state that there were Cylon models based on the human memories of at least three people, however Moore has stated no new characters from Caprica will appear in the series.
  • The nature of the being, represented by an internal image of Leoben Conoy, who appears to Kara Thrace in "Maelstrom" is unknown.
  • Original Cylon Centurion Model 0005 units not on the Guardian basestar when it is destroyed could still exist.
  • The slavery of the robotic Cylons has become an important Cylon issue. Non-biological forms could be represented in the Final Five.

References

  1. Podcast: Frak Party Q and A , Seek to: 22:41. Total running time: 78:27.
  2. Podcast: Frak Party Q and A , Seek to: 19:05. Total running time: 78:27.
  3. BW:OC#Identity of the Final Five
  4. 20 Answers - SCI FI FORUMS Retrieved 03-27-2007
  5. T.V. Guide, July 14-20, 2008
  6. Huffington Post interview with Stern
  7. ComicCon 2008 panel
  8. Podcast:The Hub
  9. San Diego ComicCon Panel 2008