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For this entity from separate continuity sources, see: Quorum of Twelve (TOS alternate).

Sire Uri addresses the Quorum ^{(TOS: "Saga of a Star World")}.

The Quorum of Twelve, also known as "The Council of Twelve" or "The Council," is a group of politicians who gather together to make up the laws and practices for the people of The Twelve Colonies.

The Quorum consists of one representative from each colony and is presided over by the President. Each representative, as well as the President, is elected to their position.

The Quorum members were usually given a Seal of the Lords as a symbol of their position in the Colonial Government. But the Seals were apparently lost over time, and Commander Adama of battlestar Galactica and Lord Baltar possessed the last two Seals ^{(TOS: "Lost Planet of the Gods, Part I")}.

After the destruction of the Twelve Colonies and the death of President Adar, Commander Adama, of the planet Caprica, is installed as interim leader of The Council, operating under martial law. The council can still make laws and practices but Adama controls the overall actions of the Council.

The council does try to take control again when The Eastern Alliance prisoners are taken into custody aboard Galactica. But when the Alliance prisoners, along with Baltar and three Borellian Nomen try to escape and use the council as hostages, the council gives control back to Adama (TOS: "Baltar's Escape").

Known Members[edit]

Former Members[edit]

Count Baltar
President Adar
Commander Xavier (from Galactica 1980)

Notes[edit]

The name, "Quorum of Twelve," comes from the ruling body of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (a.k.a. Mormons). Glen A. Larson was raised Mormon and used several ideas and terms from that church in creating Battlestar Galactica. The primary difference between the two groups is that the Twelve in Battlestar Galactica have a mostly political role (with only ceremonial religious duties) whereas the Mormon leadership is unelected and primarily religious in character.
In the novelization of "Saga of a Star World," Sire Uri is noted to be speaking to a Councilman Lobe of Piscera whilst on Carillon about the possibility of settling on the planet. The on-screen version of this scene shows the unnamed Statesman portrayed by Norman Stuart as being the individual Uri is speaking to about the above scene from the novel, though it is uncertain if this is a canon source.
In the novelization of "War of the Gods," a man named Sire Montrose is identified as a member of the Quorum who speaks to his surprise of Count Iblis being seemingly aware of their decisions and later on asking to confirm the mysterious being's leadership over the Colonials. The on-screen version of these scenes shows the unnamed Statesman portrayed by John Williams as being this exact individual, with IMDB and certain sites identifying him as Montrose, though this is uncertain if this is a canon source.
It is worth noting that in "Baltar's Escape" that the Council of Twelve had more than twelve members considering the absence of Siress Tinia when the council members were taken hostage by Baltar and the others.

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-:''This article explains the legislative body in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. For information on its [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|Re-imagined Series]] counterpart, see [[Quorum of Twelve (TRS)]]. For information on this and other facets of the government of the Original Series, see [[Government of the Twelve Colonies (TOS)]].''
+{{disline|For information on its [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|Re-imagined Series]] counterpart, see [[Quorum of Twelve (TRS)]]. For information on this and other facets of the government of the Original Series, see [[Government of the Twelve Colonies (TOS)]].}}
+{{disambiguation|Quorum of Twelve (TOS alternate)|this entity from [[BW:SEPCON|separate continuity]] sources}}
-[[Image:Quorum.jpg|thumb|[[Uri|Sire Uri]] addresses the Quorum ([[Saga of a Star World]]).]]
+[[Image:Quorum.jpg|thumb|[[Uri|Sire Uri]] addresses the Quorum {{OS|Saga of a Star World}}.]]
-The '''Quorum of Twelve''', also known as "The Council of Twelve" or "The Council", is a group of politicians who gather together to make up the laws and practices for the people of The [[Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Twelve Colonies]].
+The '''Quorum of Twelve''', also known as "The Council of Twelve" or "The Council," is a group of politicians who gather together to make up the laws and practices for the people of The [[Twelve Colonies of Man|Twelve Colonies]].
 The Quorum consists of one representative from each colony and is presided over by the President.  Each representative, as well as the President, is elected to their position.
-The Quorum members were usually given a [[Seal of the Lords]] as a symbol of their position in the Colonial Government. But the Seals were apparently lost over time, and Commander [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]] of battlestar ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica]]'' and Lord [[Baltar (TOS)|Baltar]] possessed the last two Seals ([[TOS]]: "[[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part I]]").
+The Quorum members were usually given a [[Seal of the Lords]] as a symbol of their position in the Colonial Government. But the Seals were apparently lost over time, and Commander {{TOS|Adama}} of battlestar ''{{TOS|Galactica}}'' and Lord {{TOS|Baltar}} possessed the last two Seals {{OS|Lost Planet of the Gods, Part I}}.
 After the destruction of the Twelve Colonies and the death of President [[Adar (TOS)|Adar]], Commander Adama, of the planet Caprica, is installed as interim leader of The Council, operating under martial law.  The council can still make laws and practices but Adama controls the overall actions of the Council.
-The council does try to take control again when The [[Eastern Alliance]] prisoners are taken into custody aboard ''Galactica''.  But when the Alliance prisoners, along with [[Baltar (TOS)|Baltar]] and three [[Borellian Nomen]] try to escape and use the council as hostages, the council gives control back to Adama ([[TOS]]: "[[Baltar's Escape (TOS)|Baltar's Escape]]").
+The council does try to take control again when The [[Eastern Alliance]] prisoners are taken into custody aboard ''Galactica''.  But when the Alliance prisoners, along with {{TOS|Baltar}} and three [[Borellian Nomen]] try to escape and use the council as hostages, the council gives control back to Adama ([[TOS]]: "[[Baltar's Escape]]").
-==Known Members during the destruction of the Colonies==
+==Known Members==
-[[Adar (TOS)|President Adar]] <br/>
+* [[Adama_(TOS)|Commander Adama]]
-[[Baltar (TOS)|Count Baltar]] <br/>
+* [[Uri|Sire Uri]]
-[[Adama_(TOS)|Commander Adama]] <br/>
+* [[Anton|Sire Anton]]
+* [[Domra|Sire Domra]]
+* [[Geller|Sire Geller]]
+* [[Tinia|Siress Tinia]]
+* [[Unnamed_characters_(TOS)#Statesman_No._1|Unnamed Statesman #1]]
+* [[Unnamed_characters_(TOS)#Statesman_No._2|Unnamed Statesman #2]]
+=== Former Members ===
-==Known Members after the destruction of the Colonies==
+* [[Baltar (TOS)|Count Baltar]]
+* [[Adar (TOS)|President Adar]]
-[[Adama_(TOS)|Commander Adama]] <br/>
+* [[Xavier|Commander Xavier]] (from ''[[Galactica 1980]]'')
-[[Uri|Sire Uri]] <br/>
-[[Anton|Sire Anton]] <br/>
-[[Domra|Sire Domra]] <br/>
-[[Geller|Sire Geller]] <br/>
-[[Tinia|Siress Tinia]] <br/>
-Before the discovery of earth: <br/>
-[[Xavier]] (from [[Galactica 1980]])
 ==Notes==
-* The name, "Quorum of Twelve", comes from the ruling body of the [[wikipedia:Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints|Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints]] (aka Mormons).  [[Glen A. Larson]] was raised Mormon and used several ideas and terms from that church in creating ''Battlestar Galactica''.  The primary difference between the two groups is that the Twelve in ''Battlestar Galactica'' have a mostly political role (with only ceremonial religious duties) whereas the Mormon leadership is unelected and primarily religious in character.
+* The name, "Quorum of Twelve," comes from the ruling body of the [[wikipedia:Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints|Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints]] (a.k.a. Mormons).  [[Glen A. Larson]] was raised Mormon and used several ideas and terms from that church in creating ''Battlestar Galactica''.  The primary difference between the two groups is that the Twelve in ''Battlestar Galactica'' have a mostly political role (with only ceremonial religious duties) whereas the Mormon leadership is unelected and primarily religious in character.
-* (Like the original pilot corps) the original Quorum was dominated by male members indicating that the most Colonies favoured a rather patriachal political (and social) system. (One major factor for the failing of the original  "battlestar" series was that women did not watch it)
+* In the novelization of "Saga of a Star World," Sire Uri is noted to be speaking to a Councilman Lobe of Piscera whilst on Carillon about the possibility of settling on the planet. The on-screen version of this scene shows the unnamed Statesman portrayed by Norman Stuart as being the individual Uri is speaking to about the above scene from the novel, though it is uncertain if this is a canon source.
+* In the novelization of "War of the Gods," a man named Sire Montrose is identified as a member of the Quorum who speaks to his surprise of Count Iblis being seemingly aware of their decisions and later on asking to confirm the mysterious being's leadership over the Colonials. The on-screen version of these scenes shows the unnamed Statesman portrayed by John Williams as being this exact individual, with IMDB and certain sites identifying him as Montrose, though this is uncertain if this is a canon source.
-==Open Questions==
+* It is worth noting that in "Baltar's Escape" that the Council of Twelve had more than twelve members considering the absence of Siress Tinia when the council members were taken hostage by Baltar and the others.
-* How is the president elected? How was the president elected before the destruction (by all people / by the council members) ?
-* Are all members of the council elected at the same date? Or is the election date tribe-specific?
-* Is the that time someone can stay member of the Quorum limited?
-* Did the Quorum only meet occasionally or did it stay together all the time?
-* What about those who are of tribe A but live in a world of tribe B? For which candidate can they vote? Can a citizen switch the tribe in which (s)he's in; or is this prohibited? What about children of mixed origins?
-* How reasonable was the one-member-per-tribe-system after the destruction of the Colonies? Did those tribes with a larger number of survivors question it? Did those with smaller survival rate insist on the one-member-per-tribe-system as some kind of small compensation for the higher losses?
-* Did the one-member-per-tribe-system stay in use after the fall of the Colonies?
-* How civil were the Colonies after a thousand yahrens of war? (How powerful was the Council against the military? Was Adar the big exception who was strong enough to promote peace? Or was the military always under full civil control?)
-* Did the president reside on a war ship since the begin of the 1000 yahrens Cylon War? How much time did the president spend on his battlestar Atlantia? Did he use the Atlantia only as a lift from planet to planet? Or spent he most of his time on the Atlantia even if he was in the orbit around a homeworld? Was the president transportation the only task of the Atlantia?
-* Was the Atlantia the flag ship of Adar's tribe or was it the flag ship of all 12 colonies (on what battlestar resided the other presidents of the Colonies)?
-* Where did the Quorum reside (before the destruction of the Colonies)? A fix government planet would probably have been mentioned (especially by those who felt underrepresented). A Quorum ship would have been seen in the pilot episode (the 12-headed-council took 5 battlestars as ride to the Cylon capital). If we keep in mind that the battlestar Atlantia was the ship of the president then the idea of one battlestar per council member sounds nice; However isn't it a bit a waste of resources to use battlestars as council member transports (And why didn't they go with twelve battlestars to the armistance conference?).
-== Constitutional Guessing ==
-The basic problem with the Quorum-of-Twelve-system is that it cannot come up with the needs of a multi planetary organisation (particularly not in time of war):
-* There seems to have been no mankind-wide parliament that made common decisions for all tribes and colonies. Can we consider the Quorum as a kind of parliament? When yes why is it so small? How chould twelve people have the expertise to decide what is good or bad for a system of at least 12 worlds?
-* Are there no institutions (except the Quorum) that are common for all tribes and colonies of mankind? If there were many or some powerful institutions of a national scope then there would have been the need for someone who controls them (some kind of a defence minister for the national defence, in war some kind of armament and production minister or manager to supply the national space force, a national police force requires some kind of interior minister, common relations with other anti-Cylon races some kind of foreign minister, trade between the colony planets must be organized by an institution to limit smuggling, trafficking, arms trade etc., ...). I mean when there was a common Colonial military then there had to be a Colonial minister of Defence. As the Colonies were only ruled by the Quorum do we have to consider the Quorum as some kind of a board of ministers? Then one member would have been responsible for one or more issues. Who was responsible for what?  Except of Adama's military abilities there has been no sign indicating that the Quorum was organized in such a manner. <br>Of course one might argue that there is the possibility that there were no mentionable mankind-wide instituations. If so there wouldn't be a need for a national ministers. But how could such a Conferderation of human planets have survived the Cylon war for thousand yahrens. (Why do all battlestars and vipers in the original series look the same if there hasn't been a common organisation on war production?)
-* I think it is therefore obvious that a large interplanetary state requires at least a council that sets general rules that apply everywhere - on any planet - within the state (=some kind of parliament) and at least some state-wide institution like a federal police that imposes federal law, a central military instituation that at least coordinates the defence efforts of the planets, ... Such institutions must all be led by someone (some kind of a minister). The Council is too small for a parliament and it is not a board of ministers. We also never here from a parliament or from Colonial ministers. The Quorum falls short of the needs of the Colonies.
-There is also a residental problem:
-* What power had a Quorum member over his homeworld? Was he the president of his homeworld? (If a council member had considerable power on his/her homeworld (s)he had to spend a lot of time at home and the Council cannot have been permament.)
-* Don't we have to believe that a Quorum members were the presidental rulers over his/her tribe and home colony? We never hear about other tribal leaders except the council; if there were not only the council member but also a president/governor for each homeworld there would be a steady conflict between the two; This would have been worth mentioning (It wouldn't have been a big problem, as there is for instance a Governor and two Senators in each U.S. state).
-*My point here is: How can this work during war: At any given date either the 12 leaders are assembled as Council of Twelve somewhere in space or on a rather arbitrarily chosen colony; Or the central government Council of Twelve is disassembled while its members are ruling their home planets. <br>What if the Cylons launch an attack on one of the twelve homeworlds? Either the president/governor of the attacked planet is away in the Council and therefore unable to lead and organize the defence at home; Or the Council is disassembled and not able to decide about common counter-meassures on a national and mankind-wide scale. <br> (One might argue that the military is responsible for the direct fight against the Cylons and should have authority over the tactics it uses to assure the best possible outcome in such a situation. But I disagree with this argumentation as the absence of a elected and accepted planetary ruler will considerably limit the military's possibilities (The military can only make military decisions unless in states that are some kind of military dictatorships).
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