Talk:Cylon War/Archive 1

Question...

Was there also a reference to Saul Tigh being a vet of the Cylon Wars as well? His references to not hearing certain commands, such as the one where a Cylon nuke was incoming (Miniseries), and his reaction to the events of "33" making him "feel alive", make it seem like he was involved in the wars.

Or maybe I'm just imagining things...?

--Joe Beaudoin 22:02, 8 Feb 2005 (EST)

I also seem to recall a reference to Tigh being a veteran also, but I can't remember where. His age also doesn't seem to hold up; the war ended 40 years prior to the miniseries, but Tigh's only listed as 50 or so years old. Kuralyov 22:05, 8 Feb 2005 (EST)

Veterans Affairs[edit]

Nice edits, Spence and Ricimer, just a few points:

It's not actually clear that Tigh is older than Adama. Tigh refers to him as "the old man" frequently.
Info on Tigh's service as a deckhand/promotion to fighter pilot needs citation or death. --April Arcus 19:26, 18 November 2005 (EST)

Although Tigh refers to Adama as the Old Man because that's what everyone calls him, he calls him "kid" in the flashbacks in "Scattered" plus podcast commentary basically sets up that he's older. As for Tigh's service record, it was given in Ron D. Moore's podcast in which he said that this is what his past is in the official series bible. --Ricimer 21:03, 18 November 2005 (EST)

What Tigh says is "Ha! Yes! He's in. The kid is back in the fleet." I think could be taken as a metaphor, like "the kid stays in the picture". In any event, that's the only time he calls him that. He has referred to him as "the old man" fourteen times so far:

Miniseries - once
33 - twice
Bastille Day - once
Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down - twice
Scattered - twice
Valley of Darkness - once
Fragged - three times
Resistance - twice

FWIW, the other characters which have referred to him as such are Thrace (five times), Dualla (three times), Kelly (twice), Valerii (twice), Lee Adama (once), Socinus (once), Gaeta (once), Tyrol (once), Agathon (once). So Tigh is clearly in the lead in that regard. The runner up is Thrace, and I can't imagine that if it was originally her pet name for him, he'd ever have picked it up. So it seems like it's his name for Bill, not someone else's.

As for Tigh's service record, here's what I've got:

"The backstory to the series is that the initial Cylon conflict was fought forty years ago, and in that war both Tigh and Adama were young men, who did not fight together - they fought in separate ways on separate vessels, had separate experiences, and after the war was over, both men were discharged along with many other servicepeople out into the civillian world and they both sort of happened to sign up aboard the same civillian sort of tramp freighter that was plying the trade routes among the colonies, and that was how they met." (Scattered podcast, teaser)

"Back a little bit, just to jump out and talk about Tigh and the backstory, we did shoot a whole seen with Tigh and Adama that was set in the same period as the flashbacks that you saw in "Scattered", and it was a scene - it was a drinking scene between the two men, and it was sort of modeled on the scene in "Jaws" where Quint is telling the story of the U.S.S. Indianapolis and it was sort of a similar beat, where Tigh and Adama, who again were on the freighter the night before Adama goes back to the fleet, are getting drunk - getting really drunk, and they're sitting there and they're trading stories, and it turns out Tigh was on a ship called the "Brenig", and the Brenig was boarded by Cylons and they tried to decompress the ship and kill them all and turn the guns of the Brenig against the other ships and their escort fleet and Adama went through and Tigh - it was his first taste of real, ugly, hand-to-hand combat, he saw dead people for the first time, and then it turned out that Adama had gone through something similar on the Galactica - it was the first time we'd ever gotten to show that Adama was actually on the Galactica, it was in his backstory, I'd always felt that Galactica was the first ship Adama was assigned to during the first Cylon war as a pilot, and that he went through a similar experience and Galactica lost a lot of men, a lot of good men died when the Cylons got on board. (Valley of Darkness podcast, act 2)

So in short, I don't think we have any evidence that Tigh is older than Adama at all. If you remember somethign else, you need to quote it yourself. I don't like fact checking for you. --April Arcus 03:33, 19 November 2005 (EST)

Well yeah, but Tigh calling Adama by the nickname "Old Man" which the rest of the crew also calls him is no real proof that Adama is younger than Tigh. --Ricimer 12:17, 19 November 2005 (EST)

As I said above, Tigh calls him that far more than anyone else does. At best it's a wash. --April Arcus 12:27, 19 November 2005 (EST)

We need more info. I hope we get more flashback stuff someday. --Ricimer 13:33, 19 November 2005 (EST)

Our wish is granted. According to this scene, Tigh was a Petty Officer (gunner's mate) on the Brenig during the second year of the war. Tigh describes himself as "just a kid. Virgin. Teenager."

So we know that Tigh was between 13 and 19 during year -50, at the very least, making him between 63-69 during the series.

Bill was serving on Galactica when it was boarded during the last week of the Cylon war (year -40). Nearly 2000 people died when it was boarded. --April Arcus 19:42, 3 December 2005 (EST)

Okay, you're right. Bill's younger. c.f. Podcast:Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down#Act 2. --April Arcus 23:56, 14 December 2005 (EST)

Also, a point: I think it's kind of a traditional name for the captain (or, in this case, Commander) of a ship to be referred to as "the Old Man" by the crew, regardless of age. This has already been settled, it looks like, but I thought I'd point that out. At least, when Tigh called Adama that, I never blinked or thought it had anything to do with age, just the chain of command. --Day 02:22, 27 December 2005 (EST)

cylon raiders and cylons in the first cylon war.[edit]

Is it correct, that during the first cylon war the cylon raiders and cylons were the same models than in the TOS? Thus they could be linked to the TOS versions.-- Tirkon 23:20, 9 September 2006 (CDT)

The continuities aren't the same; the TOS Cylons weren't even created by the people of the Twelve Colonies. It's rather like the P90's used as props; they are visually the same, but there are no P90's per se in the continuity of the RDM series, as there is no FN or even Belgium. --CalculatinAvatar^(C-T) 23:46, 9 September 2006 (CDT)

Another way to interpret the appearance of the TOS ships and Cylons is that both TOS and RDM old Cylons and ships look similar, but work very differently. As such, until we might get more information from the upcoming spinoff, we must keep these items separate. The Thousand Yahren War and the Cylon War aren't the same. --Spencerian 18:00, 10 September 2006 (CDT)

BUT, in the Miniseries, one of the pilots in Galactica's attack squadron states that the pictures of Raiders looked like a "flying wing" or "giant wing" (I forget at the moment), and is corrected by another pilot who says those pictures are over 40 years old. It is therefore reasonable to construe that the Raiders looked similar to the TOS Raiders, in the same way Galactica looks similar to her TOS counterpart, but not the same. --Madbrood 13:16, 20 September 2006 (CDT)

Picture in Pilot Briefing Room[edit]

The picture on the wall of the pilot briefing area of a man on his knees infront of a city (pilots would rub it or tap it for good luck), does that have to do anything with the Cylon War? Anyone know any specific events to it? It seemed to be very important to the pilots and to the Commander. I'll try to get a picture from an HDTV capture, though It'll probably be low quality. --Jtal 10:15, 10 October 2006 (CDT)

See "Lest We Forget". --Steelviper 10:25, 10 October 2006 (CDT)

That's the "Lest We Forget" painting. --Mercifull ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 10:25, 10 October 2006 (CDT)

Not entirely convinced...[edit]

I'm not entirely convinced or certain that this page should be formatted like other battle pages... It's a more general overview of the Cylon war and much of the facts surrounding the war are too vague for us to assign such specific information, such as statistics of ships, lives lost, and the like. Thoughts? -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate} 21:38, 30 April 2007 (CDT)

I agree. It's not a battle, but a whole war. A war we don't know much about. We can't really say who the combatants were if we only have a glimpse into maybe 2 or 3 skirmishes of the war. Just giving some general information and background is much better. --Serenity 05:43, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

Concur. I've visited the page and thought about formatting it once or twice, but there's not enough data. And wars are always defined by its victors, so what we know of it from the Colonial view point may not be all there is. Case in point: "Hero". The page should be the first link from the Fall of the Colonies article, of course. --Spencerian 15:32, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

We could keep the new "active ships" part though. That addition isn't too bad. --Serenity 15:36, 1 May 2007 (CDT)