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Scifi.com

For the record, btw, as many of you may know from the messageboards, I think the Scifi.com is poorly run and (unlike Ron Moore) doesn't really try to "connect with the fans", as they claim (the messageboards are a laughingstock of poor moderating, the Battlestar website hasn't been updated in a full year, they only post up Ron's blog and podcasts but that's more Ron's doing than theirs...plus Mrs.Ron tells us that Ron has supplied several new podcasts to them that they simply haven't put up). Anyway, Scifi Weekly on their front page has a "review a website" thing and I mailed in a "Hey, why not review BattlestarWiki?" request. To be honest, I think they would view us as competition with their abortive, and, also pathetically laughable wiki attempt, Scifipedia (I can't even log in). --The Merovingian (C - E) 13:03, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

As much as I fear and despise redundancy as a computer scientist, I really don't have a problem with the Scifipedia. One has only to type in a few basic search words (major characters, episode names, etc.) to see that it really isn't trying to compete with a specialized wiki like this one. They have one big summary article about BSG, and that's about it. I don't view it so much as a rivalry as an entity with an entirely different mission. They're trying to cover a much broader spectrum by covering "Scifi"... especially since that now apparently includes the world of professional wrestling. --Steelviper 13:08, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
Oh no I don't view them as a rival: I'd like it if they were up and running as a succesful wiki. The reason for my contempt is that the clowns at Scifi.com don't run it well and it's loaded with technical problems. Basically I couldn't log in (they have many log in problems) and their "response" was "well, if you want we could delete your current account"...um, I'm not giving up an over 4,000 post screename for that, and it wasn't much of a "solution". Only the latest in a long string of frustrations--The Merovingian (C - E) 13:12, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
My fear is that the "clowns" are just barely plural. What if the only people running the site are Admin and the much maligned Admin1. Maybe Scifi just underestimates how much manpower it takes to maintain an online presence in this day and age. I'd prefer to imagine their problems as being caused by massing staffing/funding shortages. I guess I just don't want to believe that a properly funded and staffed web team could run a site so poorly. --Steelviper 13:16, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
Some people have said there's a marked difference between "Admin" and "Admin1", and alothough I realize that they are 2 separate people, I've not noticed a difference; there is?--The Merovingian (C - E) 13:37, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
I've not had interactions with either, so I can't testify one way or the other. However the ip of "Admin" seems based out of NYC, while "Admin1" appears to hail from Seattle (I realize proxies can fool this, but most people don't bother). Also, the "note from the admin" (excerpted below) says you can pm either of them. They've just never seemed... responsive or communicative, which has really damaged the situation. --Steelviper 13:49, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
"The Battlestar BBoard will be monitored by site administrators throughout the day. If you see a post that you feel violates the rules above, send a private message to "admin" or "admin1" and it will be reviewed. Our decisions regarding what constitutes a violation will be subjective, and will err on the side of free and open discussion, but we will not tolerate openly hostile or abusive behavior.
As always, if you have any suggestions for how we can improve our message boards, we'd love to hear them. E-mail us directly at bboard@www.scifi.com."
Is that really what it says? "bboard@www.scifi.com"? That's... I mean--That doesn't look like a valid email address to me. Now, granted, I'm not a piece of email-related software, so I could be wrong, but I've never see "www" in an email addy before. Weird. --Day (Talk - Admin) 14:12, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
I just copy and pasted. But yeah, that struck me as odd as well. Maybe "Admin" (who is the one that made that post) isn't that web-savvy.--Steelviper 14:36, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
That email address is the default email address for any "webserver" running aphace webserver. It's sad. That email address gets not only reports from errors produced, but any error that occurs on the system. Maybe we should take advantage of the situation? --Shane (T - C - E) 14:44, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
I'm not about to be run off of Skiffy just because of incompetant Administrators. The answer to trolls attacking you is never to simply ignore them: tell that to Czechoslovakia circa 1939. Not reacting to trolls, not punishing them, simply emboldens them. The answer is to fight back: get Moderators to step in, and if a website doesn't have Moderators, demand that Moderators get appointed until they are. --The Merovingian (C - E) 14:49, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
I seen that request on SciFi and it doesn't seem to be working, yet you all stay anyway. At least with a forum that we, as regular wiki users, could easily manage 1000 to 2000 users on a forum that we ran our selfs with rules that are more enforceable because it's user run. You arn't going to get it on SciFi.com unless they are willing to hire (paid employees) because it's a company website. I have yet to see any comapny allow any "user" run moderator on their "company" forums. Ok.. off for a a haircut. I'll be back. --Shane (T - C - E) 15:00, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
If I wanted to use a "safe" BSG forum I could simply go to Ragnar Anchorage or HangarDeck5. What I want is Scifi.com: that's where Ron and Mrs.Ron are. --The Merovingian (C - E) 15:02, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
Merv, would you like to see an "active" use of the forums on how they can be setup? I would tell you think link, but I need assurance that the link not be given out to the public. I would send the link to you via email. Staying where Ron and Mrs. Ron are fine if you stay in contact with them to ask them questions. I am just offering another alternative to Ragnar Anchorage or HangarDeck5 or even SciFi.com "general" discussion. I would like our forum idea not to be dismissed based on the fact that it would be a startup. Being a webmaster and former server administrator I seen sites jump in activity just because of forums. Wouldn't that be nice? --Shane (T - C - E) 16:57, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
If we are to entertain an idea of setting up a forum, it should be different from Battlestar Wiki, period. I wouldn't mind helping set something up with Shane, but the forum and the Wiki must be two distinct, individual entities, seeing as they have mutually exclusive objectives. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 16:15, 14 July 2006 (CDT)

Maybe we should move the above discussion to the Quorum, since it's more general in nature (and really hasn't involved Spence at all)?--Steelviper 15:07, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

Done.--The Merovingian (C - E) 15:14, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
Shouldnt the discussion about a forum go on the Think Tank? --Mercifull (Talk/Contribs) 03:30, 14 July 2006 (CDT)
I'm just discussing the general inadequacies of Skiffy here. --The Merovingian (C - E) 09:22, 14 July 2006 (CDT)
Oh right. I dont use skiffy anymore. Not since they cancelled Invisible Man and havnt even been bothered to release it on DVD. Any questiones asked about it are deleted/ignored. --Mercifull (Talk/Contribs) 09:34, 14 July 2006 (CDT)
To my knowledge, they released the first season of the Invisible Man on DVD in Region 2 almost two years ago, IIRC. (It, too, pisses me off that they can release crap shows on DVD, yet not release something of qualify such as IMan. Then again, there was a battle just to get MacGyver released on DVD, so perhaps I shouldn't be too surprised...) However, I fully agree with your sentiment, Mercifull. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 16:15, 14 July 2006 (CDT)
I actually have the first season on DVD. Its rare to find, even in the UK. Id love to get the second series but it doesnt look like sci fi are in a hurry to please its "customers". I could go onto ebay and get a dodgy dvd from someone but it would never been the same quality as the real thing. Plus it would go againsy my stance of only having real copies of films --Mercifull (Talk/Contribs) 03:02, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
Were is the {{rolleyes}} template when needed... :) --Shane (T - C - E) 03:25, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
http://www.darkwebz.com/forums/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif --Mercifull (Talk/Contribs) 03:38, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
geek++ :) --Shane (T - C - E) 04:24, 18 July 2006 (CDT)

Seaon Three Teaser Images and other artwork?

I don't see any images for the Season Three article. I have a whole stack of screen caps made from a relatively high-resolution version of the teaser (I think it was the largest version that got uploaded to the net). Would these be useful and/or wanted?

On a related note, could someone take a look at my user talk page and check my art links. Is there anything there in the sample artwork I've got uploaded on my website right now that would be useful for the wiki? I've actually got quite a bit more, but most of it was for building reproduction props (engraving on Adama's lighter, the Galactica press passes, the two booze bottle labels I have links to). The only other thing from my drawings that I think might be useful for the wiki might be the Cubit Collection. Keep in mind that the only designs we have positive screen caps of are Caprican and Scorpian marked cubits (both silver and gold). It appears at is point that the obverse design is either the Pheonix seal or a variant of the Council seal.

I also have a scan of the photo that's hanging in the Pilots' Ready Room, the attack on Aerelon:
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Scotchfairy 07:47, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

Question/idea

I'm toying an idea for some articles for the wiki.


Now, by "toying", I mean I'm incredibly busy and have other things to do but it's a topic of interest to me, which I may or may not ever get around to actually doing even if people wanted me to. I just want to be clear about that.


The premise of the show is genocide and the effects of it on the featured characters. I happen to have some expertise in the field of trauma (Ph.D. holding, licensed mental health professional with peer reviewed publications and about 15 years professional experience working with traumtized adolescents and adults.) I've been thinking about whether some historical articles on genocide, some pieces on the known psychological effects of genocide and the effects of major disasters would round out some of the more fictional aspects of the show. Given how Kara has been portrayed as the adult survivor of child abuse, maybe a piece on the effects of that would be in order.


This stuff would just be a way of rounding out the fictional elements with some factual pieces related to the series.


I'm not thinking dense academic tracts, but reader friendly overviews with appropriate academic citations.

Of course, I'm not even going to waste my time if there's no interest, which is why I'm throwing it out there. --Cranky1c 06:27, 5 August 2006 (CDT)

Hmmm...well if you want to do something about talking about how the show accurately portrays Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, etc., I would suggest putting it in Science in the Re-imagined Series; that might be a good spot. --The Merovingian (C - E) 08:20, 5 August 2006 (CDT)


I would want to be neutral regarding "accurate portrayal" in the show. The shows fiction, so it's not going to be totally accurate, which is fine. I'm thinking of the casual reader who wants to know more about whats known about reactions to catastrophies and such. It would be more along the lines of the physics of star trek, where the story becomes a point of departure for giving information about real life stuff.

--Cranky1c 08:35, 5 August 2006 (CDT)

Template: Episode Data

We use thie template alot, but when I look through, I notice that there is alot of extra stuff that we are putting in to make it harder for ourselfs to remember. I come up with a new format here: Template talk:Episode Data/Example Syntax - This would show you what you would enter to format an Episode.

Would like you to comment on Template talk:Episode Data page. The example "code" to be used is also on the page. --Shane (T - C - E) 14:14, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

The Hangerbay Comes to Life

The hangerbay has some new life in it. I have gotten images to work so that you can see it with images instead of nothing. The three most complete pages that are ont he hnagerbay are:

Discuss the new look and colors on the BW:TANK page. --Shane (T - C - E) 21:20, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

Wormholes

There are a few instances where its been suggested colonial FTLs use worm holes to travel, could someone point me to the ep where this was mentioned because i dont think theyve said they do use worm holes. Also maybe they have to close the "doors" so the inertia doesnt chuck the vipers out the back ;)? MatthewFenton 06:58, 13 August 2006 (CDT)

DragonCon, Anyone?

I'll be attending DragonCon 2006 this year in Atlanta. For those not in the know, DC is one of the largest SF cons in the country, with over 20,000 attendees. If you're attending this year, drop me a quick note here on my talk page or here, and what you'll be wearing if you happen to dig doing the costume thing. I may not make it to the first BSG forum, but you be assured that my face will be in others. Use my talk page pictures to find me. How many other black, bald men are you going to find in Atl...oh...wait... --Spencerian 11:37, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

Image Taging!

After two days of work, image tagging is now working once more. Be sure to read the image templates on how to use them. Contact me on my user page for any question on how to use them! Remember... you have to change tme on the "Media Wiki". --Shane (T - C - E) 19:01, 24 August 2006 (CDT)

Portal:Cylons/Current Cylon agents

Hello, I wanted to copy this Portal:Cylons/Current Cylon agents to the german page. But there seems to be a bug. If I watch it alone, everything is O.K. But as soon as I watch it in Portal:Cylons the pictures are at the wrong place. Is this only to my browser or can anyone confirm this? -- Tirkon 11:03, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

This happens in the english version as well as in the german. -- Tirkon 17:53, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

Is this project an official Wikimedia project?

From here I can link to Wikipedia without using a weblink, but using simply Wikipedia:.... Does that mean, that this project is an offical Wikimedia project? If not, how is the real relationship? -- Tirkon 11:15, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

No its not a Wikimedia project but the Battlestar Wiki has enabled Interwiki links along with many other popular wikis so that we can easily and seemlessly go from one place to another. You can see a full list of Wkis to link to here --Mercifull (Talk/Contribs) 13:21, 3 September 2006 (CDT)
Only the ones in BW:INTER work. --Shane (T - C - E) 13:23, 3 September 2006 (CDT)
Are you sure... ;) Try a few --Mercifull (Talk/Contribs) 13:40, 3 September 2006 (CDT)
Pretty sure. :) /me goes to the database.. only 6 entries. looks like the same on BW:INTER. :) --Shane (T - C - E) 13:42, 3 September 2006 (CDT)
Well it appears that they have all been removed then. I will add some wikis we should interlink to shortly. --Mercifull (Talk/Contribs) 13:52, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

Photo of human cylons of Galactica 1980

Hello, does anybody have Photos of the human cylons of Galactica 1980? -- Tirkon 11:57, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

If I recall correctly, there was only the one, Andromus, and a picture of him (Image:Andromus.jpg) is on that page. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 14:14, 3 September 2006 (CDT)
Wasn't there two? A man and a woman. And O'm sure i've seen a picture of them in a car together. Could be wrong mind, memory isnt what it used to be hehe --Mercifull (Talk/Contribs) 16:06, 3 September 2006 (CDT)
Again, it's been years (thankfully) since I've watched the 1980 episodes. All I remember is Wolfman Jack, a microwave, and a bunch of Cylons busting some party. And even this is something I am attempting to remove from my long-term memory. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 16:22, 3 September 2006 (CDT)
Don't forget the meatballs! --FrankieG 16:30, 3 September 2006 (CDT)
That quote contains possibly some of the worst script EVER! --Mercifull (Talk/Contribs) 16:39, 3 September 2006 (CDT)
Thanks for the photo, Joe. :o) Definitly there were three male humanoid aliens. The first indeed was Wolfman Jack ;o), the father of all DJs. And the other both were male humanoid cylons beside three centourios aboard an spatial. Thus the idea of human cylons is NOT!! an idea of the new Battlestar Galactica. But only one of the human and one of the centourios were alive the crashdown and later sitting in the car. Bye the way: Does anybody know the weight of a classic centourios? ;o) -- Tirkon 17:50, 3 September 2006 (CDT)
I remember that my family was rolling on the floor laughing, when the spatial was going to crashdown on the earth. One of the two humanoid cylons stated: "Chance to be alive: humanoids about 60% .... centourios about 12%. Then the three centourios turned her "face" back to the humanoids = camera and looked a sight and sorrowful. Although this is more than 20 years ago, I never forget this sight to behold. :o) -- Tirkon 02:07, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
I've got all 10 hours worth of Galactica 1980 on my Tivo box (though I may have to build a Ghostbusters-style containment unit around that part of the hard drive to hold it). As soon as I upgrade my tivo's wireless adapter to a supported one (so that the Tivo won't reboot whenever I try to transfer shows) I hope to get some more screenshots for 1980. --Steelviper 08:17, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

Sandbox

O.K. Don't bite the newbee. ;o) I do not know, what a sandbox is in german. Could someone explane this term? -- Tirkon 18:05, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

Sandbox is just a place to trest stuff out without having to worry about creating antoher page or messing up an live article. :) I have no idea on the translation of sandbox. :) --Shane (T - C - E) 18:19, 3 September 2006 (CDT)
Aaaah! In german it is "wikipedia:de:wikipedia:Spielwiese" = "playground". Its the same as the test sides in my account. Thanks for explaning. :o) -- Tirkon 18:42, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

Hot Topic now has Battlestar t-shirts. One has the seal of the "Vigilantes" squadron, and the other says "What the Frak?" with a Colonial emblem on the back. Do we want to add them to the merch section? Here's a link: Hot Topic Battlestar Galactica Shirts--Thetruthseeker 10:32, 11 September 2006 (CDT)

I'm not sure if these are officially licensed products based on that link. Thanks to places like CafePress, creating stuff like this with trademarked logos without official licensing is too easy. I'd prefer that we not add this one as I cannot yet find an official product that comes close. --Spencerian 15:02, 11 September 2006 (CDT)
To be honest, I don't think they are officially licensed. I'd rather not link them unless we have definitive proof that they are. Thoughts? -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 16:20, 11 September 2006 (CDT)
I agree. Too iffy. --FrankieG 16:37, 11 September 2006 (CDT)
Concur. --Shane (T - C - E) 17:42, 11 September 2006 (CDT)
I don't care if they aren't officially licensed, I want one of those "What the frak?" shirts. --BklynBruzer 07:43, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

There are also these shirts at the SciFi.com store, which I would assume are official. Should we add those to the merch? Battlestar Merch at the SciFi.com Store --Thetruthseeker 09:52, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

The shirts from NBC-UNI are fine. We should probably create an article for them, something along the lines of Officially licensed t-shirts. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 11:40, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
Raise your hand if you just put in an order for a "Frak Off" shirt! *raises hand* --BklynBruzer 11:45, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

Do you see the ball?

The first time, Apollo landed on Galactica in the miniseries, he was asked: "Do you see the ball?". I never understood, what this "ball" is. Does anybody know? -- Tirkon 22:26, 11 September 2006 (CDT)

Naval aviation terminology.
Xbox forum thread
"Call the ball" has to do with the glideslope you need to be on to land the plane on the carrier. There is a system on the left side of the carrier called an Optical Landing System and it shines lights to let the pilot know where he is in relation to the deck, also known as a "Meatball" because of the circle shaped and red lights. It works with the same idea as the crosshair on your HUD. So the carrier is just telling the pilot to confirm that he can see the lighting for the glideslope. Then, the pilot (if he see's it) will then say "I have the ball".
Terrestrial-based aviation also uses glideslope (VASI, etc.) but they don't look like a ball. --Steelviper 07:21, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
Or.. "Meatball" is another term used be the USN. --Shane (T - C - E) 07:31, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
And I think you see Galactica's "ball" when Kat lands during Final Cut. --BklynBruzer 07:42, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
PS: It's:

"Viper four-five-zero, this is Galactica. Approach port landing bay, hands-on, speed one-zero-five. Checkers red, call the ball."

--Madbrood 06:48, 28 September 2006 (CDT)

Request from FrakParty.com

http://frakparty.com/images/header.jpg

Hi folks! We are in awe of all that you've accomplished here.

We (a few friends and I) just launched FrakParty.com. We whipped it up as an afterhours project - would've liked to have had it done sooner, but so it goes.

This is a site to allow BSG fans to organize viewing parties. The idea is for people to invite their friends, but also to be able to meet other fans in their area. We're hoping that people will also arrange viewings in public places with big screens - bars, even theaters, etc...

Is there any where appropriate in the wiki to let people know about FrakParty? This is a non-commercial site just put up as a service for fans.

-Zack

Awesome. Perhaps the Community Portal Link Area? Otherwise, the Quorum (where you currently have it) is a pretty good start. --Steelviper 11:11, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
Love the hats, especially how Adama got the King hat and Six got the tiara. :) It's an intriguing idea. --Spencerian 16:56, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
RDM mentioned Frak Party in his latest blog. --FrankieG 19:27, 28 September 2006 (CDT)