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== Rewrote [[:Council Security]] ==
 
I did a pretty much total rewrite of [[:Council Security]]. Hope it passes muster. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 10:35, 8 February 2008 (CST)
:Looks good in general. Nice details of their appearances. Though we generally write the article bodies themselves from a strictly in-universe perspective and confine real-world references to notes (unless it's an article dealing with an obvious real-world subject of course). -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:45, 8 February 2008 (CST)
::Yeah, I re-read the policy on that last night (after like 3 months); will re-re-write the article so that the real-world stuff is in the Notes section, unless someone has beat me to it. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 02:47, 9 February 2008 (CST)
:::I removed it. It was mainly about the comparisons to the US police or Secret Service. The article is fine without that. Saying things like "In episode so and so they did..." is ok if it can't be avoided. Since the article partly deals with their different depiction in various episodes, that's appropriate in this case. So a completely re-write isn't really necessary. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:54, 9 February 2008 (CST)
 
== "Spoiler follows, highlight to read" ==
 
Does anybody else find the "highlight to read" style distracting and kind of unprofessional? Why can't we just use a little CSS to make a pop-down spoiler box:
 
<div class="NavFrame" style="border-style: none; padding: 0px;"><div class="NavHead" style=" text-align: left; padding: 0px;">'''Spoiler follows'''</div><div class="NavContent" style="display: none; text-align: left; padding: 0px;"><div style="text-align:left; border: 1px solid #ffffff; padding: 2px; margin-top: 2px;">Adama is a cylon!</div></div></div>
 
(This is GFDL code from Wikipedia, I can copy it over to a template and give credit where it's due.) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 16:59, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
 
: I don't see any problem with this. :) What does everyone else think? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:17, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::Format's pages wrong. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 17:40, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::: In what way? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:11, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Colours don't work in BsgMonoBook, alignment is off in BsgBook, I don't see anything wrong in the default skin though. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:22, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Nvm, the colours work in MonoBook. Actually I don't see anything wrong in any of the skins. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:38, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
 
::If it doesn't screw anything up, this would be far better than the highlight thing we have now. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:54, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::The drop down does not format on lists correct. Like before, it would create a new line and interrupt the list numbers. Also, from our previous discussion on javascript expanding boxes in the middle of episodes pages (which are not at the top), templates that expand huge things of text change the entire format of the page layout when they expand. Images get shifted and it creates an unnesseary new lines that were not there before. It's always 100% width. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 09:30, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
 
OK, the template is created as [[:Template:Spoilerbox]], add it if you like. I'm not going to replace the existing spoilers since... I don't want to be spoiled :) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 07:39, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:Nice template. Less is more for me on some pages, especially now. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:42, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::Uh, one question...what's the input format for the template? I can't glean that from the description. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:45, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:::I've updated the page, but the syntax is {{tlp|spoilerbox|This is a spoiler! Muhahahahha!}}. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 13:55, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::I like the idea, but I'm not sure it's universally better than the current method... Especially if it will create problems like Shane mentioned. As dumb as it seems, I think the current method does have some advantages: Depending on how someone highlights the spoiler, they can control how much of the spoiler is revealed. Also, people can gauge how much content the spoiler contains just by looking at the amount of unreadable text. --[[User:Galjamspe|Galjamspe]] 00:40, 22 March 2008 (CDT)
 
== Proposition for new article ==
 
Hi! Quite new here, and since I don't find a button for creating a new article, I figure I must go through the Quorum?
 
I'd love it if we could open a small article for adding notice for Caprica Six's unborn baby.
There's no actual article for this person yet, and I have to write my mentions about it, in already existing articles like Gaius Baltar's and Caprica Six's.
 
Thanks for the attention! {{unsigned|Iniovan}}
 
: Do we really know anything about the baby enough to write an article? At this point, we just know that Caprica-Six is pregnant and that the father is Saul. Other than that... any analysis on it could probably fit in the episode guides. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 
== Question on editing etiquette ==
 
Hi,
 
I'm a newbie here.  So this is a question so I can hopefully avoid stepping on anyone's toes.  If you see an existing article and wish to add to the information and content, would it always be best to ask the original contributor before doing so?  Especially if to do so, I would have to move some items around in the original article. 
 
For example, I want to put in a new reference to supplement the article, however, it would need to go before an existing article, requiring renumbering of all of the references. 
 
I'm just trying to get a feel of what is good editing and bad editing before I put foot in mouth.
 
thanks!
Jeff Rabb
:In a word, no. In addition to greatly slowing down the ability for the community to keep things up to date, it also ignores the fact that once you hit "save page" your edits become community property. There really isn't an "ownership" of articles, outside of perhaps articles in the "User" namespace. So feel free to [[BW:BOLD|be bold]] and get in those edits. If somebody takes issue with your edits they can either change it back themselves, take it up in the talk page of the article in question, and/or potentially bring it up on your talk page. New references are almost always welcome, as they're the glue that binds this place together.  --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


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Thanks for the advice!
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== Quorum Definintion ==
On the [[unnamed battlestars]] page, there is section dealing with the [[Berserk Class Escort]]. A notation notes the specific information on this class of ship is non-canonical.  Presumably because it comes from the ship designer's own website vs that from one of the sanctioned websites or sources.  But the ship WAS used in [[Razor]].  So how can one on one hand use it in the show and on the other hand say that any specific information on it from it's creator is non-canonical simply because TPTB never bothered to put it with a sanctioned source?  It either is or isn't in my book.  I'm sure this discussion has arisen many times before, but I'd like to find out the final arguement that finally determined why this source, which straddles the line, should be excluded as non-sanctioned? Jeff Rabb
:The ship described on the website is on the show, but canon starts from the aired content and trickles down from there. So while we do see the ship, we aren't given any in-show identification of the ship. Also, there's nothing from the producers on the matter. However... the information coming from "crew" does seem to place it somewhere in category 3 in the [[BW:CITE|source hierarchy]], so it should have some weight (IMO). Anyway, I can see where the note was coming from (in that none of the information about the name of the ship, etc., came from any aired info or from RDM, etc), but I think you've got a decent argument. Given Joe's edit to the article, it appears he at least checked out the source website enough to correct the spelling to match it. Personally, I'd consider replacing the "canon" note and just replace it with a reference pointing to Chu's website. I do have to agree that it's not necessarily a battlestar, and in fact given the escort designation it's likely not a battlestar. Battleships don't "escort" battleships, and likewise with aircraft carriers. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 01:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


This should be for questions only and not ideas. If everything was "moderated" there would be no [[BW:BOLD]] or "Good Faith". This underminds the purpose of implemiting new ideas. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 14:01, 10 June 2006 (CDT)
== The Caprican - Will We, Won't We ==


:I think the idea is... "being bold" would be coming up with cool new data box/category/what have you that could go on every character page. You'd still "be bold" to go ahead an implement it for one character, to show how it would look. It would be "reckless" to go ahead an implement the new widget on every character page on the wiki without feedback. What happens if you post something here, or on the new widget's talk page, or elsewhere soliciting feedback and you don't get any? (I know that happens sometimes, and it can be frustrating.) Maybe try to actively engage some of the "regulars" on their talk page, inviting them to weigh in on a topic. Is it slower? Most definitely. However, in the process of building consensus you're bringing others "on board", investing them in the project. You'll likely have helping hands for implementing whatever gets sorted out (and it may even be exactly what you proposed). I think the main distinction falls between "implementing" the new ideas (creating the widgets, proposing formatting standards/changes, etc) and doing all the grunt work to make them happen. Energetic and active posters are vital to the health of the wiki. We just need to make sure that we use good judgement and establish consensus as to where we direct all that energy and activity. Together our potential is limited only by our imagination (and sometimes by whatever version of Mediawiki we're running). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:13, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
Hello all,


::What SV said. Besides, by alerting others to your idea, you might get some pointers to do it better or improve your idea...and even save a bit of work as the tasks are delegated. Very few articles (or components thereof) in our wiki are sole projects by one contributor. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:19, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
Very, very new here. I'm wondering if the contents of the newzine "The Caprican" will be included in info on the Caprica series?


== DVD titles. ==
It's been really great to read it, and join in the group that's been posting in character.  I wouldn't think that the comments would be included as material, but the actual articles seem like they're going to be good fodder for Colonial life in general.


At the moment the DVD information pages are a little messed up and the content is confusing because they differ from America to Europe but sre still on the same pages in some cases.
Thanks!
Here is a list of all the DVD pages
Glasswalker33
*[[Miniseries DVD]] Covers both the American and European versions on the same page
*[[Season 1 DVD]] Covers both the American and European versions on the same page
*[[Season 2.0 DVD]] Just the Region 1 American version
*[[Season 2 DVD]] Just the Region 1,4 Version for Europe and Australia
*[[Season 2.5 DVD]] Just the Region 1 American version
I think that a new naming convention should be in place. ''Season X DVD (Region #)'' eg ''[[Season 1 DVD (Region 1)]]'' for the American version of the first series DVD's. I think this would save a lot more confusion in the long term as some pages have information on two different sets of DVDs on one page whearas the 2.0, 2.5 and 2 have more specific information which I belive is better.


I therefor propose a new naming convention with linking pages to direct people with one page summarising all the DVD's together.
: I think we need to be very clear that whatever is in "The Caprican" isn't necessarily canon. If that's done, I have no qualm about including it, since it is put out officially by the SyFy Channel. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


===Support===
::As I am new to this website, I was looking for an answer to this question (that, and regarding whether we will include the information from Serge's Twitter account).  How should we distinguish it is not "necessarily canon" - a separate non-canon section of a particular article, just note information in the background info./notes or just include it in the main article until it is contradicted? --[[User:JamiLeeD|JamiLeeD]] 23:45, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
*{{support}}: As explained above --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 04:25, 26 June 2006 (CDT)


===Oppose===
:::Everything's been canonical so far, including things first mentioned in The Caprican that appear onscreen days or weeks later. The latest example being Eros Day, which was mentioned in The Caprican a month ago and on the card in "End of Line". -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:52, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
*{{oppose}}: No, I think our current DVD's should retain their current names, and a new separate page be made that says "Season 2 DVD (UK version) or something"--->My point being that it's not a widespread enough thing that it justifies giving the other DVD's confusing titles.  I mean we've got "Scar" and then "Scar (Raider)" to set the two apart, because that's only 2 things, while there's nothing named just "Resistance" now but "Resistance (episode)", etc. because it's a big change.  Long story short, I think we could make a UK DVD page but it's not worth moving around and changing the names on the current ones.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 07:39, 26 June 2006 (CDT)
:The UK version is the same as the Aussie version which is why I suggested putting the regions in brackets instead of (UK) or (US version). The season 1 dvd page is a mess right now --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 07:48, 26 June 2006 (CDT)


===Neutral===
::::Also, the rather ominous note about new railings on the Pantheon Bridge appeared weeks ahead of End of Line: http://showblogs.syfy.com/caprican/news/pantheon-bridge-getting-new-safety-measures.php Other things that appeaned in the Caprican before they showed up on the show were Vesta, the terror alert being raised (which was a plot point in End of Line-- it was why they couldn't get Zoebot off-planet for another week), and (if I'm remembering right) v-date. Clearly whoever writes it is involved with the production of the show. -- [[User:Rjinswand|Rjinswand]] 01:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


== Archiving the Wikipedian Quorum ==
:::::Yes, V-Match first showed up there. Natalie Stark was also first named there, and the concept of a holoband sleeper weeks before it talked about Vesta and New Cap City. Furthermore, Serge and The Caprican's usage of place names and Pyramid facts all agree with each other. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:38, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


I think this page could do with a little bit of archiving. Theres a lot of old stuff here thats not relevant anymore and It could do with being a bit smaller to enable more up to date conversations to take place. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 04:31, 26 June 2006 (CDT)
::::::Any ideas for what how citations should be formatted for: 1. Serge's Twitter account, and 2. ''The Caprican''? - [[User:JamiLeeD|JamiLeeD]] 03:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


== Featured Article and Featured Picture ==
== Question....Original Series ==
We should probably figure out what we want to do as far as identifying a [[BW:FA|featured article]] and [[BW:FP|featured picture]] for July(ish). The picture appears to have a clear favorite, but we could use some more candidates/debate/revision regarding an article. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:51, 6 July 2006 (CDT)


== Scifi.com ==
My teacher gave a clue to his laptop password...its "Three that was detroyed" from TOS
can anyone tell me what it means?
I tried D'Anna, Xena, And Six of one, none of the worked {{unsigned|Snarky}}


For the record, btw, as many of you may know from the messageboards, I think the Scifi.com is poorly run and (unlike Ron Moore) doesn't really try to "connect with the fans", as they ''claim'' (the messageboards are a laughingstock of poor moderating, the Battlestar website hasn't been updated in a full year, they only post up Ron's blog and podcasts but that's more Ron's doing than theirs...plus Mrs.Ron tells us that Ron has supplied ''several'' new podcasts to them that they simply haven't put up). Anyway, Scifi Weekly on their front page has a "review a website" thing and I mailed in a "Hey, why not review BattlestarWiki?" request.  To be honest, I think they would view us as competition with their abortive, and, also pathetically laughable wiki attempt, Scifipedia (I can't even log in).  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:03, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
: "Three that was destroyed..." Hmm... Might be referring to a lot of things, actually. Like "Zac," the third child of Adama's that was killed in the pilot. Could be "Serina" too... I think your teacher needs to be a bit more specific. "Three" of what? Is "three" a specific thing, or does "three" mean a quantity? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


:As much as I fear and despise redundancy as a computer scientist, I really don't have a problem with the Scifipedia. One has only to type in a few basic search words (major characters, episode names, etc.) to see that it really isn't trying to compete with a specialized wiki like this one. They have one big summary article about BSG, and that's about it. I don't view it so much as a rivalry as an entity with an entirely different mission. They're trying to cover a much broader spectrum by covering "Scifi"... especially since that now apparently includes the world of professional wrestling. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:08, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
== Color of links to other wikis ==
I'm not quite sure this is the right place to ask this. I find a bit confusing that links to other wikis (e.g. Wikipedia, Memory Alpha) share their color with battlestarwiki links. I think its cool to link to other wikis at times, for example to give real world perspectives on some matters but I'd like to directly know if a link leads me away from this site. Maybe another shade of yellow/orange could be used? -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 22:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
: Hmm... We could do that. I'd like to get everyone's impression on it though. I might tweet this so we can get some idea of what people think. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


::Oh no I don't view them as a rival:  I'd like it if they were up and running as a succesful wiki. The reason for my contempt is that the clowns at Scifi.com don't run it well and it's loaded with technical problems.  Basically I couldn't log in (they have many log in problems) and their "response" was "well, if you want we could delete your current account"...um, I'm not giving up an over 4,000 post screename for that, and it wasn't much of a "solution". Only the latest in a long string of frustrations--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:12, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
Just to illustrate my point (and bring the discussion up again): Most of you are probably aware of this but I think [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Ronald_D._Moore Memory Alpha] is a very good example for what I mean. The color of non-MA links is only slightly darker but it makes it very easy to spot them. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 19:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


:::My fear is that the "clowns" are just barely plural. What if the only people running the site are Admin and the much maligned Admin1. Maybe Scifi just underestimates how much manpower it takes to maintain an online presence in this day and age. I'd prefer to imagine their problems as being caused by massing staffing/funding shortages. I guess I just don't want to believe that a properly funded and staffed web team could run a site so poorly. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:16, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
I am very much in support of this, I keep on getting sent to Memory Alpha or wherever when I don't really want to be. -- [[User:Rjinswand|Rjinswand]] 20:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


::::Some people have said there's a marked difference between "Admin" and "Admin1", and alothough I realize that they are 2 separate people, I've not noticed a difference; there is?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:37, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
The discussion wasn't very lively, sadly. But do we (=you, Joe) want to make a decission? I'm still very much in favor of this. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 09:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
: I'm very much in favor of this, too. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 12:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
: I'm in support of this and will work on it. What color should the off-site links be?  -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 05:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:: Cool. Two suggestions: <span style="color:#ff8935">Text</span> <span style="color:#c4c95b">Text</span>. The greenish one is derived from the yellow color of normal links. But the orange one might fit better with the wiki's overall style. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]]
::: I definitely like the orange version. Any other suggestions? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


:::::I've not had interactions with either, so I can't testify one way or the other. However the ip of "Admin" seems based out of NYC, while "Admin1" appears to hail from Seattle (I realize proxies can fool this, but most people don't bother). Also, the "note from the admin" (excerpted below) says you can pm either of them. They've just never seemed... responsive or communicative, which has really damaged the situation. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:49, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
I've rolled out this change. We can tweak it as we go, but it was a simple fix. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:01, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:Love it already. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 00:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
::Agreed! [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 04:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
: Cool! Just noticed that the new color doesn't show up in the note about the new color, though. ;) -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 09:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)


:::::"The Battlestar BBoard will be monitored by site administrators throughout the day. If you see a post that you feel violates the rules above, send a private message to "admin" or "admin1" and it will be reviewed. Our decisions regarding what constitutes a violation will be subjective, and will err on the side of free and open discussion, but we will not tolerate openly hostile or abusive behavior.
==Citation Links, Templates and...other things==
I have a suggestion for the wiki, I hope this is the right place to put this (The above discussion leads me to believe that it is), but it concerns the citation links to episodes, their placement and formatting.  I was thinking that a series of templates would allow the proper formatting this wiki wishes to obtain, while being able to properly link to the intended pages (for instance, having CAP lead to Caprica, instead of a disimbig page).  Some others from other wikis may get an idea of what I am trying to suggest (and perhaps it already has been done so).  This is not without it's flaws though, most wiki's have found (unless a better system can be put in place, or someone knows what they are doing are far better with wiki coding then I am) that episode pages all need to be moved to "title (episode)" to prevent false/unwanted page/wanted page requests.  Basically, the idea here is, when one wants to cite an episode of the reimagined series, they'd have to write <nowiki>([[TRS]]: "[[33]]")</nowiki>, my idea would have them writing out <nowiki>({{TRS|33}})</nowiki>, you'd get the same formatting, but less coding to do, especially if you going to cite multiple episodes. --[[User:Typhoeus|Typhoeus]] 07:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
: Thank you for the suggestion, however it's better to not go the template route for episode citations. First, this would not work for paragraphs where citing multiple episodes—perhaps across multiple series, like TRS & Caprica—would be necessary. Secondly, it's not really a matter of coding, but the number of database calls such a template would do each time the page is viewed—and, frankly, cost of increased database calls is not really worth that. Further, what you're suggesting is actually far more complicated than it has to be, both in terms of programming templates to deal with complex citation situations AND having people do it right the first time. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Alright, if it's going to end up costing more, I guess I can agree that it's not worth it, as for multiple episode citation though, Sorry, I forgot to add in, you'd simply add in another title after "33" as such "33|Title|Title 2" but anyway it doesn't matter, I wasn't aware that it would cause a database call that'd cost this wiki some money. --[[User:Typhoeus|Typhoeus]] 22:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
: Yeah, I had figured that too. It's a good idea, or seems to be, until you realize that there are over 4,000 articles that'll probably use the template, compounded by the many thousands of visitors we get on a daily basis... Then, it gets to be a bit of a quagmire. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


:::::As always, if you have any suggestions for how we can improve our message boards, we'd love to hear them. E-mail us directly at bboard@www.scifi.com."
== Query regarding suicide bombing in Battlestar Galactica ==


:::::: Is that really what it says? "bboard@www.scifi.com"? That's... I mean--That doesn't look like a valid email address to ''me''. Now, granted, I'm not a piece of email-related software, so I could be wrong, but I've never see "www" in an email addy before. Weird. --[[User:Day|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]])</sup> 14:12, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
Hi. I'm currently writing an essay on the suicide bombing in the episode occupation. I'm framing it from Bill Adama's perspective looking back on the events of the suicide bombing and trying to debate the moral conundrums that the episode so cleverly draws out. I am going to try and reflect on past events both fictional and within our world now that may have happened in the past. I am intrigued to know whether there is anything in the scriptures of the twelve colonies or in cylon prophecy that mentions martyrdom or the cult of the hero? I was also wondering if you had any more info on how Adama's Mom and Sister died, I know it was a suicide bombing but is there any more specific information on how it happened and why?
:::::::I just copy and pasted. But yeah, that struck me as odd as well. Maybe "Admin" (who is the one that made that post) isn't that web-savvy.--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:36, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
Thanks a lot, Joe -- {{unsigned|JoeCarr}}
:::::::That email address is the default email address for any "webserver" running aphace webserver. It's sad. That email address gets not only reports from errors produced, but any error that occurs on the system. ''Maybe'' we should take advantage of the [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#If_there_was... situation]? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 14:44, 13 July 2006 (CDT)


::::::::I'm not about to be run off of Skiffy just because of incompetant Administrators. The answer to trolls attacking you is ''never'' to simply ignore them:  tell that to Czechoslovakia circa 1939.  Not reacting to trolls, not punishing them, simply emboldens them.  The answer is to fight back:  get Moderators to step in, and if a website doesn't have Moderators, demand that Moderators get appointed until they are. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 14:49, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
: There's really nothing in the "Cylon scripture" or the [[Sacred Scrolls]] that tells their readers how to "deal" with "infidels." As for Adama's mom and sister's deaths, they were caused by [[Ben Stark]] of the [[Soldiers of the One]], who have their own aims and goals—as well as their own factions. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:55, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


:::::::::I seen that request on SciFi and it doesn't seem to be working, yet you all stay anyway. At least with a forum that we, as regular wiki users, could easily manage 1000 to 2000 users on a forum that we ran our selfs with rules that are more enforceable because it's user run. You arn't going to get it on SciFi.com unless they are willing to hire (paid employees) because it's a company website. I have yet to see any comapny allow any "user" run moderator on their "company" forums. Ok.. off for a a haircut. I'll be back. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 15:00, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
== RDS / TRS ==
::::::::::If I wanted to use a "safe" BSG forum I could simply go to Ragnar Anchorage or HangarDeck5.  What I want is Scifi.com: that's where Ron and Mrs.Ron are.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:02, 13 July 2006 (CDT)


:::::Merv, would you like to see an "active" use of the forums on how they can be setup? I would tell you think link, but I need assurance that the link not be given out to the public. I would send the link to you via email. Staying where Ron and Mrs. Ron are fine if you stay in contact with them to ask them questions. I am just offering another alternative to Ragnar Anchorage or HangarDeck5 or even SciFi.com "general" discussion. I would like our forum idea not to be dismissed based on the fact that it would be a startup. Being a webmaster and former server administrator I seen sites jump in activity just because of forums. Wouldn't that be nice? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 16:57, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
Why are articles in the reimagined series that need disambiguation marked "(RDM)" instead of "(TRS)"? I understand where the RDM comes from, but [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|the series article itself]] uses TRS and reimagined series episode names in articles are supposed to be prefixed with TRS:, so it would appear that it's been decided that "TRS" is the appropriate series identifier.  To use "RDM" in article names would seem to me, quite frankly, to be wrong. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 22:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::If we are to entertain an idea of setting up a forum, it should be different from Battlestar Wiki, period. I wouldn't mind helping set something up with Shane, but the forum and the Wiki must be two distinct, individual entities, seeing as they have mutually exclusive objectives. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:15, 14 July 2006 (CDT)


Maybe we should move the above discussion to the Quorum, since it's more general in nature (and really hasn't involved Spence at all)?--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:07, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
: Lexicon, it's a new thing... Before the advent of ''Caprica'', we used "RDM" to disambiguate any articles pertaining to the re-imagined series; "TRS" wasn't used back when we started. In a nutshell, we now use "RDM" to describe anything in the ''universe'' created by the  Reimagined Series (including ''Caprica''), whereas "TRS" is used for any subjects depicted solely in the Re-imagined Series (sans ''Caprica''). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 23:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:14, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
::Shouldnt the discussion about a forum go on the [[BW:TANK|Think Tank]]? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:30, 14 July 2006 (CDT)
:::I'm just discussing the general inadequacies of Skiffy here. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 09:22, 14 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Oh right. I dont use skiffy anymore. Not since they cancelled Invisible Man and havnt even been bothered to release it on DVD. Any questiones asked about it are deleted/ignored. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 09:34, 14 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::To my knowledge, they released the first season of the Invisible Man on DVD in Region 2 almost two years ago, IIRC. (It, too, pisses me off that they can release crap shows on DVD, yet not release something of qualify such as IMan. Then again, there was a battle just to get ''MacGyver'' released on DVD, so perhaps I shouldn't be too surprised...) However, I fully agree with your sentiment, Mercifull. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:15, 14 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::I actually have the first season on DVD. Its rare to find, even in the UK. Id love to get the second series but it doesnt look like sci fi are in a hurry to please its "customers". I could go onto ebay and get a dodgy dvd from someone but it would never been the same quality as the real thing. Plus it would go againsy my stance of only having [http://www.intervocative.com/dvdcollection.aspx/Mercifull real copies of films] --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:02, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Were is the {{tl|rolleyes}} template when needed... :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 03:25, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::::http://www.darkwebz.com/forums/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:38, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::geek++ :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 04:24, 18 July 2006 (CDT)


== Seaon Three Teaser Images and other artwork? ==
::Ah. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 23:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


I don't see any images for the Season Three article.  I have a whole stack of screen caps made from a relatively high-resolution version of the teaser (I think it was the largest version that got uploaded to the net).  Would these be useful and/or wanted? 
== Episode templates ==


On a related note, could someone take a look at my user talk page and check my art links.  Is there anything there in the sample artwork I've got uploaded on my website right now that would be useful for the wiki?  I've actually got quite a bit more, but most of it was for building reproduction props (engraving on Adama's lighter, the Galactica press passes, the two booze bottle labels I have links to)The only other thing from my drawings that I think might be useful for the wiki might be the [http://www.retro.com/employees/lee/Blasphemy/SP/CubitCollection.html Cubit Collection].  Keep in mind that the only designs we have positive screen caps of are Caprican and Scorpian marked cubits (both silver and gold).  It appears at is point that the obverse design is either the [http://www.retro.com/employees/lee/Art/BSG/PhoenixSealLo.gif Pheonix seal] or a variant of the [http://www.retro.com/employees/lee/Art/BSG/CouncilSealLo.gif Council seal].
I've created some simple templates like those on Memory Alpha for displaying episode titles with the appropriate prefixes and punctuationThey are:


I also have a scan of the photo that's hanging in the Pilots' Ready Room, the attack on Aerelon:<br>
*<nowiki>{{TRS}}</nowiki>
[http://www.retro.com/employees/lee/Art/BSG/Aerelon.jpg]
*<nowiki>{{CAP}}</nowiki>
*<nowiki>{{1980}}</nowiki>


[[User:Scotchfairy|Scotchfairy]] 07:47, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
However, as there's already a <nowiki>{{TOS}}</nowiki> template (which has been a candidate for deletion for some time), I couldn't make that one.


== Question/idea ==
The template can be used by simply putting an episode name after a bar, and can fit up to eight episode names.  So <nowiki>{{TRS|Miniseries, Night 1|Miniseries, Night 2}}</nowiki> produces {{TRS|Miniseries, Night 1|Miniseries, Night 2}}.  Will these be considered useful?  And if so, can we get that other <nowiki>{{TOS}}</nowiki> template gone so we can have a full set? [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 23:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


I'm toying an idea for some articles for the wiki.
: Not to splash acid on what you've done, but this was [[#Citation Links, Templates and...other things|brought up before]]. Now this is not to remind people that the decision made from that discussion is final (as it isn't), but I think it highlights something that most people do not consider. Feel free to further discuss. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:36, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


::Any idea what the "cost" of the use of such templates would be?  And is there a way to substitute the results of templates instead of having the templates actually called?  I thought that that was possible (I'm a regular Wikipedia editor and Admin).  Further, are there no bot programmers around who could just whip up a script to crawl the wiki and make all the changes? [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


Now, by "toying", I mean I'm incredibly busy and have other things to do but it's a topic of interest to me, which I may or may not ever get around to actually doing even if people wanted me to. I just want to be clear about that.
:::Well, there are more than 4,000 pages that would call the script, and with the average page using roughly 5 of these episode templates per page... it gets to be a bit of a quagmire, as I mentioned before. Now times that by how many visits we get on a daily basis (40 to 50k)... So that's an additional 800,000,000(ish) calls per day—in addition to whatever the other templates (infoboxes and so forth) that each article calls. Now, Shane's done a good job at trying to reduce the server calls (because MW has this annoying habit of calling everything whenever the page is ''loaded'', as opposed to when it is ''updated''). Now our new server has some real power behind it, so I do feel that we could more than handle that... Still, I'm very cautious so I will have to speak to Shane about this, because he knows more about the tech stuff than I do.  


:::As for the bot code, Shane wrote (or modified) many of the bots. I spoke to him about that a few weeks ago, and (from what he and I understand) MW changed the way bots work in the 1.15 series. So we'll need to work on that as well, whenever we're not busy working. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


The premise of the show is genocide and the effects of it on the featured characters.  I happen to have some expertise in the field of trauma (Ph.D. holding, licensed mental health professional with peer reviewed publications and about 15 years professional experience working with traumtized adolescents and adults.)  I've been thinking about whether some historical articles on genocide, some pieces on the known psychological effects of genocide and the effects of major disasters would round out some of the more fictional aspects of the show.  Given how Kara has been portrayed as the adult survivor of child abuse, maybe a piece on the effects of that would be in order.
== SVG images ==
I get this error when I try to include an SVG image I uploaded on a page:


::Error creating thumbnail: /usr/bin/rsvg: not found


This stuff would just be a way of rounding out the fictional elements with some factual pieces related to the series.
Solution? [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 02:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


: I'll have to check on this. I've written this down on my TO-DO list so I do not forget. Cheers! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


I'm not thinking dense academic tracts, but reader friendly overviews with appropriate academic citations.
::Haven't been around for a while, but coming back now I see there's no error message shown anymore, but svg images are still not being displayed. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 16:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


Of course, I'm not even going to waste my time if there's no interest, which is why I'm throwing it out there.
::: Huh? Can you provide a link to the images that aren't showing up? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:39, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
--[[User:Cranky1c|Cranky1c]] 06:27, 5 August 2006 (CDT)


:Hmmm...well if you want to do something about talking about how the show accurately portrays Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, etc., I would suggest putting it in [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]]; that might be a good spot. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 08:20, 5 August 2006 (CDT)
== Ronald D Moore PODCASTS pulled from SyFy website?? ==


Hello all,


::I would want to be neutral regarding "accurate portrayal" in the show.  The shows fiction, so it's not going to be totally accurate, which is fine.  I'm thinking of the casual reader who wants to know more about whats known about reactions to catastrophies and suchIt would be more along the lines of the physics of star trek, where the story becomes a point of departure for giving information about real life stuff.
I've been enjoying the Podcasts as I work my way through this great series (half way through Season 3), though I was sad to see that as of yesterday the Podcasts are no longer hosted on the SyFy websiteDoes anyone know of another web location where I can download those great podcasts??{{unsigned|Dimsdail}}
--[[User:Cranky1c|Cranky1c]] 08:35, 5 August 2006 (CDT)
:Check iTunes. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 12:35, 8 May 2012 (EDT)


== Template: Episode Data ==
== Sacred Scrolls, Book of Pythia ==


We use thie template alot, but when I look through, I notice that there is alot of extra stuff that we are putting in to make it harder for ourselfs to remember. I come up with a new format here: [[Template talk:Episode Data/Example Syntax]] - This would show you what you would enter to format an Episode.
Some friends of mine were haveing a disscusion about the Scared Scrolls and when and where they were written. Most say they were written on the Colonies, I say they were written on Kobol then addes to like the New Testement kinda. Also the phrase Life here began out there, same arguement. Does the saying start on Kobol or was it added once the got to the 12 colonies? Any thoughts or views welcome. Thanks, Unca John


Would like you to comment on [[Template talk:Episode Data]] page. The example "code" to be used is also on the page. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 14:14, 6 August 2006 (CDT)
:The first [http://media.wiley.com/product_data/excerpt/90/04703990/0470399090.pdf chapter (Are You Alive?)] of [[The Science of Battlestar Galactica]] sheds some light on the discussion, those interested can read it  -- -- [[User:CylonU87|CylonU87]] <sup>[[User talk:CylonU87|I don't feel like a copy.]]</sup> 13:54, 6 August 2012 (EDT)


== The Hangerbay Comes to Life ==
== Editing the Merchandise Page ==


The hangerbay has some new life in it. I have gotten images to work so that you can see it with images instead of nothing. The three most complete pages that are ont he hnagerbay are:
Hey, so I'm trying to figure out how to edit the Merchandise category page. What I'm trying to do is edit out the "Eaglemoss" category as all of the models that they have released have been covered by the category below "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Ships Collection". I'm also trying to add a "Video Games" section to the list, but for some reason, I cannot edit the template and I've spent a couple of hours trying to solve this problem. My question is, please can someone help me do this?


* http://www.battlestarwiki.org/hangarbay/index.php/Main Page
Thanks in advanced! {{Unsigned|Fisher 2000}}
* http://www.battlestarwiki.org/hangarbay/index.php/Anastasia_Dualla
* http://www.battlestarwiki.org/hangarbay/index.php/33


Discuss the new look and colors on the [[BW:TANK]] page. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 21:20, 6 August 2006 (CDT)
:You'll need to go to the [[:Category:Eaglemoss]] page and click on the three line menu, select "Category," and edit the Category to remove or re-sort it so that it removes the Eaglemoss listing from the category. If you're wanting to add Video Games category as a sub-category to the Merchandise category, then you would go to the [[:Category:Video Game]] page and add it accordingly. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 03:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
==Wormholes==
There are a few instances where its been suggested colonial FTLs use worm holes to travel, could someone point me to the ep where this was mentioned because i dont think theyve said they do use worm holes.
Also maybe they have to close the "doors" so the inertia doesnt chuck the vipers out the back ;)? [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 06:58, 13 August 2006 (CDT)

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Rewrote Council Security[edit]

I did a pretty much total rewrite of Council Security. Hope it passes muster. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 10:35, 8 February 2008 (CST)

Looks good in general. Nice details of their appearances. Though we generally write the article bodies themselves from a strictly in-universe perspective and confine real-world references to notes (unless it's an article dealing with an obvious real-world subject of course). -- Serenity 10:45, 8 February 2008 (CST)
Yeah, I re-read the policy on that last night (after like 3 months); will re-re-write the article so that the real-world stuff is in the Notes section, unless someone has beat me to it. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 02:47, 9 February 2008 (CST)
I removed it. It was mainly about the comparisons to the US police or Secret Service. The article is fine without that. Saying things like "In episode so and so they did..." is ok if it can't be avoided. Since the article partly deals with their different depiction in various episodes, that's appropriate in this case. So a completely re-write isn't really necessary. -- Serenity 08:54, 9 February 2008 (CST)

"Spoiler follows, highlight to read"[edit]

Does anybody else find the "highlight to read" style distracting and kind of unprofessional? Why can't we just use a little CSS to make a pop-down spoiler box:

(This is GFDL code from Wikipedia, I can copy it over to a template and give credit where it's due.) Evan 16:59, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

I don't see any problem with this. :) What does everyone else think? -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 17:17, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
Format's pages wrong. Shane (T - C - E) 17:40, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
In what way? -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 18:11, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
Colours don't work in BsgMonoBook, alignment is off in BsgBook, I don't see anything wrong in the default skin though. Evan 18:22, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
Nvm, the colours work in MonoBook. Actually I don't see anything wrong in any of the skins. Evan 18:38, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
If it doesn't screw anything up, this would be far better than the highlight thing we have now. -- Serenity 18:54, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
The drop down does not format on lists correct. Like before, it would create a new line and interrupt the list numbers. Also, from our previous discussion on javascript expanding boxes in the middle of episodes pages (which are not at the top), templates that expand huge things of text change the entire format of the page layout when they expand. Images get shifted and it creates an unnesseary new lines that were not there before. It's always 100% width. Shane (T - C - E) 09:30, 21 March 2008 (CDT)

OK, the template is created as Template:Spoilerbox, add it if you like. I'm not going to replace the existing spoilers since... I don't want to be spoiled :) Evan 07:39, 21 March 2008 (CDT)

Nice template. Less is more for me on some pages, especially now. --Spencerian 11:42, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
Uh, one question...what's the input format for the template? I can't glean that from the description. --Spencerian 11:45, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
I've updated the page, but the syntax is {{spoilerbox|This is a spoiler! Muhahahahha!}}. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 13:55, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
I like the idea, but I'm not sure it's universally better than the current method... Especially if it will create problems like Shane mentioned. As dumb as it seems, I think the current method does have some advantages: Depending on how someone highlights the spoiler, they can control how much of the spoiler is revealed. Also, people can gauge how much content the spoiler contains just by looking at the amount of unreadable text. --Galjamspe 00:40, 22 March 2008 (CDT)

Proposition for new article[edit]

Hi! Quite new here, and since I don't find a button for creating a new article, I figure I must go through the Quorum?

I'd love it if we could open a small article for adding notice for Caprica Six's unborn baby. There's no actual article for this person yet, and I have to write my mentions about it, in already existing articles like Gaius Baltar's and Caprica Six's.

Thanks for the attention! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iniovan (talk • contribs).

Do we really know anything about the baby enough to write an article? At this point, we just know that Caprica-Six is pregnant and that the father is Saul. Other than that... any analysis on it could probably fit in the episode guides. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 18:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Question on editing etiquette[edit]

Hi,

I'm a newbie here. So this is a question so I can hopefully avoid stepping on anyone's toes. If you see an existing article and wish to add to the information and content, would it always be best to ask the original contributor before doing so? Especially if to do so, I would have to move some items around in the original article.

For example, I want to put in a new reference to supplement the article, however, it would need to go before an existing article, requiring renumbering of all of the references.

I'm just trying to get a feel of what is good editing and bad editing before I put foot in mouth.

thanks! Jeff Rabb

In a word, no. In addition to greatly slowing down the ability for the community to keep things up to date, it also ignores the fact that once you hit "save page" your edits become community property. There really isn't an "ownership" of articles, outside of perhaps articles in the "User" namespace. So feel free to be bold and get in those edits. If somebody takes issue with your edits they can either change it back themselves, take it up in the talk page of the article in question, and/or potentially bring it up on your talk page. New references are almost always welcome, as they're the glue that binds this place together. --Steelviper 23:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice! Jeff

How Can This Not Be Canonical?[edit]

On the unnamed battlestars page, there is section dealing with the Berserk Class Escort. A notation notes the specific information on this class of ship is non-canonical. Presumably because it comes from the ship designer's own website vs that from one of the sanctioned websites or sources. But the ship WAS used in Razor. So how can one on one hand use it in the show and on the other hand say that any specific information on it from it's creator is non-canonical simply because TPTB never bothered to put it with a sanctioned source? It either is or isn't in my book. I'm sure this discussion has arisen many times before, but I'd like to find out the final arguement that finally determined why this source, which straddles the line, should be excluded as non-sanctioned? Jeff Rabb

The ship described on the website is on the show, but canon starts from the aired content and trickles down from there. So while we do see the ship, we aren't given any in-show identification of the ship. Also, there's nothing from the producers on the matter. However... the information coming from "crew" does seem to place it somewhere in category 3 in the source hierarchy, so it should have some weight (IMO). Anyway, I can see where the note was coming from (in that none of the information about the name of the ship, etc., came from any aired info or from RDM, etc), but I think you've got a decent argument. Given Joe's edit to the article, it appears he at least checked out the source website enough to correct the spelling to match it. Personally, I'd consider replacing the "canon" note and just replace it with a reference pointing to Chu's website. I do have to agree that it's not necessarily a battlestar, and in fact given the escort designation it's likely not a battlestar. Battleships don't "escort" battleships, and likewise with aircraft carriers. --Steelviper 01:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

The Caprican - Will We, Won't We[edit]

Hello all,

Very, very new here. I'm wondering if the contents of the newzine "The Caprican" will be included in info on the Caprica series?

It's been really great to read it, and join in the group that's been posting in character. I wouldn't think that the comments would be included as material, but the actual articles seem like they're going to be good fodder for Colonial life in general.

Thanks! Glasswalker33

I think we need to be very clear that whatever is in "The Caprican" isn't necessarily canon. If that's done, I have no qualm about including it, since it is put out officially by the SyFy Channel. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 03:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
As I am new to this website, I was looking for an answer to this question (that, and regarding whether we will include the information from Serge's Twitter account). How should we distinguish it is not "necessarily canon" - a separate non-canon section of a particular article, just note information in the background info./notes or just include it in the main article until it is contradicted? --JamiLeeD 23:45, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Everything's been canonical so far, including things first mentioned in The Caprican that appear onscreen days or weeks later. The latest example being Eros Day, which was mentioned in The Caprican a month ago and on the card in "End of Line". -- Noneofyourbusiness 23:52, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Also, the rather ominous note about new railings on the Pantheon Bridge appeared weeks ahead of End of Line: http://showblogs.syfy.com/caprican/news/pantheon-bridge-getting-new-safety-measures.php Other things that appeaned in the Caprican before they showed up on the show were Vesta, the terror alert being raised (which was a plot point in End of Line-- it was why they couldn't get Zoebot off-planet for another week), and (if I'm remembering right) v-date. Clearly whoever writes it is involved with the production of the show. -- Rjinswand 01:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes, V-Match first showed up there. Natalie Stark was also first named there, and the concept of a holoband sleeper weeks before it talked about Vesta and New Cap City. Furthermore, Serge and The Caprican's usage of place names and Pyramid facts all agree with each other. -- Noneofyourbusiness 15:38, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Any ideas for what how citations should be formatted for: 1. Serge's Twitter account, and 2. The Caprican? - JamiLeeD 03:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Question....Original Series[edit]

My teacher gave a clue to his laptop password...its "Three that was detroyed" from TOS can anyone tell me what it means? I tried D'Anna, Xena, And Six of one, none of the worked —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Snarky (talk • contribs).

"Three that was destroyed..." Hmm... Might be referring to a lot of things, actually. Like "Zac," the third child of Adama's that was killed in the pilot. Could be "Serina" too... I think your teacher needs to be a bit more specific. "Three" of what? Is "three" a specific thing, or does "three" mean a quantity? -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 19:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Color of links to other wikis[edit]

I'm not quite sure this is the right place to ask this. I find a bit confusing that links to other wikis (e.g. Wikipedia, Memory Alpha) share their color with battlestarwiki links. I think its cool to link to other wikis at times, for example to give real world perspectives on some matters but I'd like to directly know if a link leads me away from this site. Maybe another shade of yellow/orange could be used? -- Penumbra 22:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... We could do that. I'd like to get everyone's impression on it though. I might tweet this so we can get some idea of what people think. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 22:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Just to illustrate my point (and bring the discussion up again): Most of you are probably aware of this but I think Memory Alpha is a very good example for what I mean. The color of non-MA links is only slightly darker but it makes it very easy to spot them. -- Penumbra 19:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I am very much in support of this, I keep on getting sent to Memory Alpha or wherever when I don't really want to be. -- Rjinswand 20:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

The discussion wasn't very lively, sadly. But do we (=you, Joe) want to make a decission? I'm still very much in favor of this. -- Penumbra 09:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm very much in favor of this, too. --Pedda 12:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm in support of this and will work on it. What color should the off-site links be? -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 05:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Cool. Two suggestions: Text Text. The greenish one is derived from the yellow color of normal links. But the orange one might fit better with the wiki's overall style. -- Penumbra
I definitely like the orange version. Any other suggestions? -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 15:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I've rolled out this change. We can tweak it as we go, but it was a simple fix. ;-) -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 22:01, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Love it already. --Pedda 00:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Agreed! JubalHarshaw 04:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Cool! Just noticed that the new color doesn't show up in the note about the new color, though. ;) -- Penumbra 09:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Citation Links, Templates and...other things[edit]

I have a suggestion for the wiki, I hope this is the right place to put this (The above discussion leads me to believe that it is), but it concerns the citation links to episodes, their placement and formatting. I was thinking that a series of templates would allow the proper formatting this wiki wishes to obtain, while being able to properly link to the intended pages (for instance, having CAP lead to Caprica, instead of a disimbig page). Some others from other wikis may get an idea of what I am trying to suggest (and perhaps it already has been done so). This is not without it's flaws though, most wiki's have found (unless a better system can be put in place, or someone knows what they are doing are far better with wiki coding then I am) that episode pages all need to be moved to "title (episode)" to prevent false/unwanted page/wanted page requests. Basically, the idea here is, when one wants to cite an episode of the reimagined series, they'd have to write ([[TRS]]: "[[33]]"), my idea would have them writing out ({{TRS|33}}), you'd get the same formatting, but less coding to do, especially if you going to cite multiple episodes. --Typhoeus 07:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion, however it's better to not go the template route for episode citations. First, this would not work for paragraphs where citing multiple episodes—perhaps across multiple series, like TRS & Caprica—would be necessary. Secondly, it's not really a matter of coding, but the number of database calls such a template would do each time the page is viewed—and, frankly, cost of increased database calls is not really worth that. Further, what you're suggesting is actually far more complicated than it has to be, both in terms of programming templates to deal with complex citation situations AND having people do it right the first time. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 14:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Alright, if it's going to end up costing more, I guess I can agree that it's not worth it, as for multiple episode citation though, Sorry, I forgot to add in, you'd simply add in another title after "33" as such "33|Title|Title 2" but anyway it doesn't matter, I wasn't aware that it would cause a database call that'd cost this wiki some money. --Typhoeus 22:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I had figured that too. It's a good idea, or seems to be, until you realize that there are over 4,000 articles that'll probably use the template, compounded by the many thousands of visitors we get on a daily basis... Then, it gets to be a bit of a quagmire. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 22:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Query regarding suicide bombing in Battlestar Galactica[edit]

Hi. I'm currently writing an essay on the suicide bombing in the episode occupation. I'm framing it from Bill Adama's perspective looking back on the events of the suicide bombing and trying to debate the moral conundrums that the episode so cleverly draws out. I am going to try and reflect on past events both fictional and within our world now that may have happened in the past. I am intrigued to know whether there is anything in the scriptures of the twelve colonies or in cylon prophecy that mentions martyrdom or the cult of the hero? I was also wondering if you had any more info on how Adama's Mom and Sister died, I know it was a suicide bombing but is there any more specific information on how it happened and why? Thanks a lot, Joe -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JoeCarr (talk • contribs).

There's really nothing in the "Cylon scripture" or the Sacred Scrolls that tells their readers how to "deal" with "infidels." As for Adama's mom and sister's deaths, they were caused by Ben Stark of the Soldiers of the One, who have their own aims and goals—as well as their own factions. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 14:55, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

RDS / TRS[edit]

Why are articles in the reimagined series that need disambiguation marked "(RDM)" instead of "(TRS)"? I understand where the RDM comes from, but the series article itself uses TRS and reimagined series episode names in articles are supposed to be prefixed with TRS:, so it would appear that it's been decided that "TRS" is the appropriate series identifier. To use "RDM" in article names would seem to me, quite frankly, to be wrong. Lexicon 22:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Lexicon, it's a new thing... Before the advent of Caprica, we used "RDM" to disambiguate any articles pertaining to the re-imagined series; "TRS" wasn't used back when we started. In a nutshell, we now use "RDM" to describe anything in the universe created by the Reimagined Series (including Caprica), whereas "TRS" is used for any subjects depicted solely in the Re-imagined Series (sans Caprica). -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 23:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Ah. Lexicon 23:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Episode templates[edit]

I've created some simple templates like those on Memory Alpha for displaying episode titles with the appropriate prefixes and punctuation. They are:

  • {{TRS}}
  • {{CAP}}
  • {{1980}}

However, as there's already a {{TOS}} template (which has been a candidate for deletion for some time), I couldn't make that one.

The template can be used by simply putting an episode name after a bar, and can fit up to eight episode names. So {{TRS|Miniseries, Night 1|Miniseries, Night 2}} produces (TRS: "Miniseries, Night 1", "Miniseries, Night 2"). Will these be considered useful? And if so, can we get that other {{TOS}} template gone so we can have a full set? Lexicon 23:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Not to splash acid on what you've done, but this was brought up before. Now this is not to remind people that the decision made from that discussion is final (as it isn't), but I think it highlights something that most people do not consider. Feel free to further discuss. :) -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 14:36, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Any idea what the "cost" of the use of such templates would be? And is there a way to substitute the results of templates instead of having the templates actually called? I thought that that was possible (I'm a regular Wikipedia editor and Admin). Further, are there no bot programmers around who could just whip up a script to crawl the wiki and make all the changes? Lexicon 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Well, there are more than 4,000 pages that would call the script, and with the average page using roughly 5 of these episode templates per page... it gets to be a bit of a quagmire, as I mentioned before. Now times that by how many visits we get on a daily basis (40 to 50k)... So that's an additional 800,000,000(ish) calls per day—in addition to whatever the other templates (infoboxes and so forth) that each article calls. Now, Shane's done a good job at trying to reduce the server calls (because MW has this annoying habit of calling everything whenever the page is loaded, as opposed to when it is updated). Now our new server has some real power behind it, so I do feel that we could more than handle that... Still, I'm very cautious so I will have to speak to Shane about this, because he knows more about the tech stuff than I do.
As for the bot code, Shane wrote (or modified) many of the bots. I spoke to him about that a few weeks ago, and (from what he and I understand) MW changed the way bots work in the 1.15 series. So we'll need to work on that as well, whenever we're not busy working. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 14:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

SVG images[edit]

I get this error when I try to include an SVG image I uploaded on a page:

Error creating thumbnail: /usr/bin/rsvg: not found

Solution? Lexicon 02:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I'll have to check on this. I've written this down on my TO-DO list so I do not forget. Cheers! -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 14:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Haven't been around for a while, but coming back now I see there's no error message shown anymore, but svg images are still not being displayed. Lexicon 16:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Huh? Can you provide a link to the images that aren't showing up? -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 19:39, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Ronald D Moore PODCASTS pulled from SyFy website??[edit]

Hello all,

I've been enjoying the Podcasts as I work my way through this great series (half way through Season 3), though I was sad to see that as of yesterday the Podcasts are no longer hosted on the SyFy website. Does anyone know of another web location where I can download those great podcasts??—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dimsdail (talk • contribs).

Check iTunes. -- FrankieG 12:35, 8 May 2012 (EDT)

Sacred Scrolls, Book of Pythia[edit]

Some friends of mine were haveing a disscusion about the Scared Scrolls and when and where they were written. Most say they were written on the Colonies, I say they were written on Kobol then addes to like the New Testement kinda. Also the phrase Life here began out there, same arguement. Does the saying start on Kobol or was it added once the got to the 12 colonies? Any thoughts or views welcome. Thanks, Unca John

The first chapter (Are You Alive?) of The Science of Battlestar Galactica sheds some light on the discussion, those interested can read it -- -- CylonU87 I don't feel like a copy. 13:54, 6 August 2012 (EDT)

Editing the Merchandise Page[edit]

Hey, so I'm trying to figure out how to edit the Merchandise category page. What I'm trying to do is edit out the "Eaglemoss" category as all of the models that they have released have been covered by the category below "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Ships Collection". I'm also trying to add a "Video Games" section to the list, but for some reason, I cannot edit the template and I've spent a couple of hours trying to solve this problem. My question is, please can someone help me do this?

Thanks in advanced! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fisher 2000 (talk • contribs).

You'll need to go to the Category:Eaglemoss page and click on the three line menu, select "Category," and edit the Category to remove or re-sort it so that it removes the Eaglemoss listing from the category. If you're wanting to add Video Games category as a sub-category to the Merchandise category, then you would go to the Category:Video Game page and add it accordingly. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 03:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)