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== Need help with a new article namespace ==
 
I want to create an entry on the atmosphere testing stick Starbuck used when stranded on the small moon in "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]", but do not know what the official name of the device is in order to name and initiate the page , and thoughts? — [[User:Lestatdelc|Lestatdelc]] 21:40, 3 December 2005 (EST)
 
:"Field oxygen meter"? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:55, 3 December 2005 (EST)
:We use many descriptive terms here to give a name to something not yet officially named in the show. "[[Humano-Cylon]]", [[Unknown Cylon Ship]], and "[[Presidential security service]]" are good examples. Feel free to create a descriptive term, and note it as such in a note in the article. It can always be moved later to its official name once we find it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:06, 4 December 2005 (EST)
 
Why is a raven like a writing desk?--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 23:16, 30 January 2006 (EST)
 
:You should probably use something like F.A.T (Field Atmosphere Test[er]). The military loves
:to abbreviate and soldiers love to make these terms into vulgar slang whenever they can.--[[User:IcePlanetZero|IcePlanetZero]] 00:15, 18 February 2006 (EST)
 
== Colonel Tigh / Colonel Tye historical connection in TOS? ==
 
Hi, I'm sorry if this has been mentioned before, but I searched the wiki for mentions tying (heh) together the TOS Col. Tigh and the historical Col. Tye, who was a feared military commander on the side of the British during the American Revolution, and a freed African-American slave.
 
More info on him here:
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Tye
 
Has anyone ever asked Terry Carter if this historical figure had any impact on his portrayal on TOS? I can't believe the name's a coincidence.
--Boradis
:I'm sorry, but I think that's pure coincidence.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:31, 2 February 2006 (EST)
 
== Cast Data infobox? ==
 
With all the work [[User:Peter Farago|Peter]] and the others are doing in regards to the cast and behind the scenes crew, I am wondering whether or not it is time to create a cast data template (similar to {{tl|Character Data}}).  It would probably look a lot better than blurbs on top of the main pages (such as those presently on the [[Edward James Olmos]] page).  Thoughts? Critisims?  Questions? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 22:10, 11 February 2006 (EST)
:Wikipedia uses [[Wikipedia:Template:Infobox Biography|Template:Infobox Biography]], which includes full name and dates and places of birth and death. I'm not entirely sure such a thing is useful, and there was enough controversy to generate a fairly active [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/October_2005#Template:Infobox_Biographydebate|debate]] on Templates for Deletion (which it survived).
:Joe, what sort of information would you want to include in addition to that? Links to IMDB, episode categories and offsite biographies such as on EJO's page? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:16, 11 February 2006 (EST)
::Actually, it apparently survived a TfD twice. Here's the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_January_7#Template:Infobox_Biography|other one]]. Let me make it clear that my feelings on this are extremely mixed - I think the possibility exists that it could be done right, but I'd rather figure out what "right" is before we implement it than after. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:25, 11 February 2006 (EST)
::: I don't think the "infobox biography" template that Wikipedia uses is all that terribly useful either.  Typically, the fields I would like to see included are: name, birth date and location, date of death, character actor portrays; the infobox would include links to IMDB and NNDB, as well as the actor's official site. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 10:18, 12 February 2006 (EST)
 
:::: Would we want to include things like marital status or anything like that, or is that too tangental? --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:23, 12 February 2006 (EST)
 
:::::I would find that a bit voyeuristic. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:59, 12 February 2006 (EST)
 
:::::I would avoid going into ''that'' much detail.  Just the fields I listed above should be satisfactory. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:53, 12 February 2006 (EST)
 
== The Kitt Joke ==
 
dunno if anybody made this joke before...
once upon a time, humans and cylons were friends and were working together:
[http://www.ilexikon.com/images/3/31/Kitt_front.jpg click me]
(may be deleted, xbruce ;-) EDIT: sorry, didn't know where to put this...)
 
:Yeah, but we all know what happened to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KARR first] version of this nice device. --[[User:Astfgl|Astfgl]] 04:52, 14 February 2006 (EST)
 
 
 
== When Earth is found... ==
 
I know this may be a little too early, but it is inevitable.  When Galactica finds Earth what time frame will it be set in (according to earth as we know it). Will they arrive in our past and find dinosaurs, thereby fulfilling a prophecy of the 13th tribe as well as our becoming our ancestors.  Will they arrive in our present and fly a raptor the U.N. and ask for some nukes?  Or will they arrive in our future, as they did in the original series and ask for Earths military assistance?
 
What would you prefer, or predict? Personally I think a Raptor should come back from a recon mission with the Voyager space probe, just when the fleet gives up hope on finding earth.
 
This is all speculation, but its coming and who knows, if Ron Moore is reading this maybe he'll use one of our ideas.--[[User:IcePlanetZero|IcePlanetZero]] 00:17, 18 February 2006 (EST)
 
:Ron D. Moore has repeatedly stated that they have intentionally never adressed this point or decided it, and are purposefully not going to; the story could take place at any time in the past, present, or future relative to Earth; see Miniseries DVD commentary.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 03:35, 18 February 2006 (EST)
 
:I don't want to be a party pooper, but I don't see anything remotely inevitible about the idea that <i>Galactica</i> and the Fleet will eventually find Earth, even if they appear to have coordinates. If it were inevitible, I'm not sure there'd be any point in telling the story. This series is not necessarily about happy endings, after all.
 
: That said, one speculation that leapt into my own brain a couple of weeks ago was this: suppose the Fleet finds an Earth of the not-too-distant future -- say, 50 years out. A future where humans casually jack in to networks, replace random limbs and organs with cybernetics, etc -- in short, a cyberpunk Earth a la Gibson, Sterling or Stephenson. It's not unimaginable that the Fleet would be a little fundamentalist on the point of human vs. machine at this stage, while such an Earth would be totally casual about humans using and integrating with machines. If the Fleet reacted too strongly to the cyborg culture they found, the Fleet could find Earth, only to see Earth side with the Cylons!--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 11:31, 4 March 2006 (CST)


IMHO, I've got a feeling that the ''Galactica'' and the Fleet will arrive at Earth in the far-flung future becuase from the looks of the re-imagined series of ''Battlestar Galactica'', it appears that the story is set in the far-flung future (the evidence that the humans of Kobol and the Twelve Colonies did originate from Earth is pretty strong which places the possibility that Kobol was settled by humans from Earth in the far future).
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I've got a feeling that the Colonals will be in for a real shock when they get to Earth and they find that Earth is NOT the 13th colony of Kobol and they find out that they and the humans of planet Earth were a product of 2 million years of evolution that occured on Earth as well as finging out that they originated from Earth. Also, I've got a feeling that they will be extremely shocked with the humans of Earth being highly multi-cultural, multi-religious (e.g. Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Daoism, Sikhism etc), and multi-lingual (e.g. English, Russian, French, Mandarin Chinese, Japanese, Korean, German, Arabic, Persian, Italian, Greek etc) which is in stark contrast to the mono-cultural, mono-religious, and mono-lingual nature of the Twelve Colonies because they would be expecting the people of Earth to be worshipping the Lords of Kobol and have similar values and principles to what they would have.
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Another thing that the Colonals would be very shocked with would be the humans of Earth embracing high-technology and science to a very high degree - something the Colonials are really petrified about because they created the Cylons and they got burned in a very big way for that. -- Roughneck Jase.
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== A proposal ==
== Rewrote [[:Council Security]] ==


I know this may come as a little unorthodox, but I would like to propose that a rule to our Standards and Conventions page, that at no time may any ''Battlestar Wiki'' User travel to planet Talos IV, under penalty of death. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 19:12, 18 February 2006 (EST)
I did a pretty much total rewrite of [[:Council Security]]. Hope it passes muster. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 10:35, 8 February 2008 (CST)
: Captain [[MemoryAlpha:Christopher Pike|Christopher Pike]] is, of course, exempt [[MemoryAlpha:General Order 7|from this]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:10, 4 March 2006 (CST)
:Looks good in general. Nice details of their appearances. Though we generally write the article bodies themselves from a strictly in-universe perspective and confine real-world references to notes (unless it's an article dealing with an obvious real-world subject of course). -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:45, 8 February 2008 (CST)
::Yeah, I re-read the policy on that last night (after like 3 months); will re-re-write the article so that the real-world stuff is in the Notes section, unless someone has beat me to it. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 02:47, 9 February 2008 (CST)
:::I removed it. It was mainly about the comparisons to the US police or Secret Service. The article is fine without that. Saying things like "In episode so and so they did..." is ok if it can't be avoided. Since the article partly deals with their different depiction in various episodes, that's appropriate in this case. So a completely re-write isn't really necessary. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:54, 9 February 2008 (CST)


== Server time is wrong ==
== "Spoiler follows, highlight to read" ==


Server time says 58 minutes after, time.org and time.windows.com (sync) says 21 minutes after. there are no time zones that are 23 minutes off GMT, are there? --[[User:Bp|Bp]] 01:59, 7 March 2006 (CST)
Does anybody else find the "highlight to read" style distracting and kind of unprofessional? Why can't we just use a little CSS to make a pop-down spoiler box:
: Let me do a time update/sync for the server. That should fix any discrepancies. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:32, 7 March 2006 (CST)


== Wikipedia user box ==
<div class="NavFrame" style="border-style: none; padding: 0px;"><div class="NavHead" style=" text-align: left; padding: 0px;">'''Spoiler follows'''</div><div class="NavContent" style="display: none; text-align: left; padding: 0px;"><div style="text-align:left; border: 1px solid #ffffff; padding: 2px; margin-top: 2px;">Adama is a cylon!</div></div></div>


Just letting everyone know that Battlestar Wiki has its own userbox on the English Wikipedia.  Simply enter in <nowiki>{{User Battlestar Wiki}}</nowiki> on your Wikipedia user page and off you go. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 15:34, 7 March 2006 (CST)
(This is GFDL code from Wikipedia, I can copy it over to a template and give credit where it's due.) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 16:59, 20 March 2008 (CDT)


: Uhm... Wha? I dropped it in to see what it was and... It no worikie. What's it ''supposed'' to do? I tried to find it to see if I was breaking it, but it seems not to exist? --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:50, 7 March 2006 (CST)
: I don't see any problem with this. :) What does everyone else think? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:17, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::Format's pages wrong. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 17:40, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::: In what way? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:11, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Colours don't work in BsgMonoBook, alignment is off in BsgBook, I don't see anything wrong in the default skin though. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:22, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Nvm, the colours work in MonoBook. Actually I don't see anything wrong in any of the skins. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:38, 20 March 2008 (CDT)


:: Eh, it's on [[Wikipedia:Main Page|Wikipedia]], not on Battlestar Wiki. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 17:15, 8 March 2006 (CST)
::If it doesn't screw anything up, this would be far better than the highlight thing we have now. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:54, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::The drop down does not format on lists correct. Like before, it would create a new line and interrupt the list numbers. Also, from our previous discussion on javascript expanding boxes in the middle of episodes pages (which are not at the top), templates that expand huge things of text change the entire format of the page layout when they expand. Images get shifted and it creates an unnesseary new lines that were not there before. It's always 100% width. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 09:30, 21 March 2008 (CDT)


::: Oh. Ahha. I see... If you're a Wikipedia editor AND a BSG Wiki editor, you can note your editorship ''here'' on your user page ''there''. Got it. --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:58, 9 March 2006 (CST)
OK, the template is created as [[:Template:Spoilerbox]], add it if you like. I'm not going to replace the existing spoilers since... I don't want to be spoiled :) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 07:39, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:Nice template. Less is more for me on some pages, especially now. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:42, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::Uh, one question...what's the input format for the template? I can't glean that from the description. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:45, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:::I've updated the page, but the syntax is {{tlp|spoilerbox|This is a spoiler! Muhahahahha!}}. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 13:55, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::I like the idea, but I'm not sure it's universally better than the current method... Especially if it will create problems like Shane mentioned. As dumb as it seems, I think the current method does have some advantages: Depending on how someone highlights the spoiler, they can control how much of the spoiler is revealed. Also, people can gauge how much content the spoiler contains just by looking at the amount of unreadable text. --[[User:Galjamspe|Galjamspe]] 00:40, 22 March 2008 (CDT)


== Battlestar Galactica Model Kits ==
== Proposition for new article ==


Hello all,  
Hi! Quite new here, and since I don't find a button for creating a new article, I figure I must go through the Quorum?


I am writing this because I am a bit peeved about the prices of "Battlestar" models. I have 3 Battlestars from Revell/Monogram and after all was said and done it came to me that these are way over priced( aftermarket wise ). You can get the Cylon Basestar for $5 on ebay but when you type in "Battlestar" you can expect to pay at least $50.00+ and I have seen them way higher! I know the kit is now out of production but come on now!
I'd love it if we could open a small article for adding notice for Caprica Six's unborn baby.
There's no actual article for this person yet, and I have to write my mentions about it, in already existing articles like Gaius Baltar's and Caprica Six's.


I wrote Revel/Monogram a few months back asking if they will ever be re-issuing the line again and what I got back from them was simply that they did'nt believe the Name was popular enough to re-issue the kits (I'm gussing they don't ever look on the internet to see the litteraly hundreds of popular Battlestar Galactica devoted websites or read Time Magazine which stated that Battlestar Galactica was THE show to watch!)
Thanks for the attention! {{unsigned|Iniovan}}


I guess I am venting somewhat but really, those of us who missed out on the 78-79 Issuing of these models and then again in 97 (Which no model shops anywhere near me ever got) what are we to do? Getting a battlestar model is like going to a scalper outside of a popular concert and having to pay 8 times what the ticket is worth!
: Do we really know anything about the baby enough to write an article? At this point, we just know that Caprica-Six is pregnant and that the father is Saul. Other than that... any analysis on it could probably fit in the episode guides. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


Looking at the new and very small Battlestar kits from the new Battlestar Galactica show make me nervous as well. An 8 inch model can cost $75 to $100 canadian, makes me wonder how much it would be if they made it to scale with the old Revel/Monogram ( 18inch ) kits!
== Question on editing etiquette ==


Does anyone out there feel the same way, or is it just me that these are over priced!?
Hi,


Also ,does anyone know if they will be doing a larger Battlestar Models, close to the size of the original models?
I'm a newbie here.  So this is a question so I can hopefully avoid stepping on anyone's toes.  If you see an existing article and wish to add to the information and content, would it always be best to ask the original contributor before doing so?  Especially if to do so, I would have to move some items around in the original article. 


== error on Battlestar Wiki:Help ==
For example, I want to put in a new reference to supplement the article, however, it would need to go before an existing article, requiring renumbering of all of the references.  


<h4> This header has the h4 font, but is NOT in the Table of Contents</h4>
I'm just trying to get a feel of what is good editing and bad editing before I put foot in mouth.


shows up in the Table of Contents... I do not know why. I have checked multiple browsers and It shows up in all of them.
thanks!
Jeff Rabb
:In a word, no. In addition to greatly slowing down the ability for the community to keep things up to date, it also ignores the fact that once you hit "save page" your edits become community property. There really isn't an "ownership" of articles, outside of perhaps articles in the "User" namespace. So feel free to [[BW:BOLD|be bold]] and get in those edits. If somebody takes issue with your edits they can either change it back themselves, take it up in the talk page of the article in question, and/or potentially bring it up on your talk page. New references are almost always welcome, as they're the glue that binds this place together. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


== Talk pages for actors? ==
Thanks for the advice!
Jeff


If you click on [[William Adama]] you get a page describing the character and naming the actor playing the character. Associated with that page is a [[Talk:William Adama|"talk page"]] containing discussions and inquiries about the character. All very logical.
== How Can This Not Be Canonical? ==


Now if you click on [[Edward James Olmos]], the actor in this case, you are taken to a page containing his biography (and it's a good read, too). But there doesn't seem to be a "discussion" page for the actor. Is there a reason for this? Maybe nobody wants to talk about Edward James Olmos (or [[Mary McDonnell]] or ...) outside of the context of BSG. Or is there some policy to the effect that one simply doesn't do that in the BSG Wiki? --[[User:JohnH|JohnH]] 15:38, 11 March 2006 (CST)
On the [[unnamed battlestars]] page, there is section dealing with the [[Berserk Class Escort]]. A notation notes the specific information on this class of ship is non-canonical. Presumably because it comes from the ship designer's own website vs that from one of the sanctioned websites or sources.  But the ship WAS used in [[Razor]].  So how can one on one hand use it in the show and on the other hand say that any specific information on it from it's creator is non-canonical simply because TPTB never bothered to put it with a sanctioned source?  It either is or isn't in my book.  I'm sure this discussion has arisen many times before, but I'd like to find out the final arguement that finally determined why this source, which straddles the line, should be excluded as non-sanctioned? Jeff Rabb
:Sir, the only reason there is "no talk page" is because nothing has been posted in it yet; it's "there", it's just that there's been no discussion yet.  Discussion for actor pages would be used if someone says something controversial and not yet verified, which we would wait to find a source for. For example, if someone wrote on EJO's page "EJO thinks abortion is morally wrong", with no sources, the comment would be moved to discussion (in italics and quotes), and we would request a source (from a newspapaer, interview, etc.) Before either adding it back onto the page, or deciding never to put it back (be advised; I have no idea what EJO's views on abortion are, I just picked an issue at random). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 15:54, 11 March 2006 (CST)
:The ship described on the website is on the show, but canon starts from the aired content and trickles down from there. So while we do see the ship, we aren't given any in-show identification of the ship. Also, there's nothing from the producers on the matter. However... the information coming from "crew" does seem to place it somewhere in category 3 in the [[BW:CITE|source hierarchy]], so it should have some weight (IMO). Anyway, I can see where the note was coming from (in that none of the information about the name of the ship, etc., came from any aired info or from RDM, etc), but I think you've got a decent argument. Given Joe's edit to the article, it appears he at least checked out the source website enough to correct the spelling to match it. Personally, I'd consider replacing the "canon" note and just replace it with a reference pointing to Chu's website. I do have to agree that it's not necessarily a battlestar, and in fact given the escort designation it's likely not a battlestar. Battleships don't "escort" battleships, and likewise with aircraft carriers. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 01:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


== Fatal error ==
== The Caprican - Will We, Won't We ==


When I Click this link: [[Gaius Baltar]], I get...
Hello all,
*'''Fatal error: Call to undefined function: wfregexreplacement() in /home/admin/domains/battlestarwiki.org/public_html/en/includes/MagicWord.php on line 297'''
Same thing for [[Tricia Helfer]].


:When I click your links I only get it for Tricia. Let me try : [[Tricia Helfer]] --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 21 March 2006
Very, very new here.  I'm wondering if the contents of the newzine "The Caprican" will be included in info on the Caprica series?


::I'm getting the same thing for [[James Callis]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:33, 21 March 2006 (CST)
It's been really great to read it, and join in the group that's been posting in character.  I wouldn't think that the comments would be included as material, but the actual articles seem like they're going to be good fodder for Colonial life in general.
:::New scary error on "Recent Changes":
:::"Fatal error: Call to undefined function: wfclone() in /home/admin/domains/battlestarwiki.org/public_html/en/includes/Linker.php on line 899"


::: Problem fixed. Let me know if there any additional issues. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 15:57, 21 March 2006 (CST)
Thanks!
Glasswalker33


== The spam filter ==
: I think we need to be very clear that whatever is in "The Caprican" isn't necessarily canon. If that's done, I have no qualm about including it, since it is put out officially by the SyFy Channel. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


The spam filter is lame. It refuses to save an &lt;hr&gt; with style="". Of course, it doesn't tell you that your work will be rejected while you preview it. Very frustrating. So what's the problem with &lt;hr style="width:..."&gt; anyway? --[[User:Bp|Bp]] 02:01, 22 March 2006 (CST)
::As I am new to this website, I was looking for an answer to this question (that, and regarding whether we will include the information from Serge's Twitter account).  How should we distinguish it is not "necessarily canon" - a separate non-canon section of a particular article, just note information in the background info./notes or just include it in the main article until it is contradicted? --[[User:JamiLeeD|JamiLeeD]] 23:45, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
: I've removed the spam filter.  It was causing too many issues anyway. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 09:37, 7 April 2006 (CDT)


== Peabody award ==
:::Everything's been canonical so far, including things first mentioned in The Caprican that appear onscreen days or weeks later. The latest example being Eros Day, which was mentioned in The Caprican a month ago and on the card in "End of Line". -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:52, 28 March 2010 (UTC)


On April 5th, 2006, BSG won a Peabody award.
::::Also, the rather ominous note about new railings on the Pantheon Bridge appeared weeks ahead of End of Line: http://showblogs.syfy.com/caprican/news/pantheon-bridge-getting-new-safety-measures.php Other things that appeaned in the Caprican before they showed up on the show were Vesta, the terror alert being raised (which was a plot point in End of Line-- it was why they couldn't get Zoebot off-planet for another week), and (if I'm remembering right) v-date. Clearly whoever writes it is involved with the production of the show. -- [[User:Rjinswand|Rjinswand]] 01:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
:From the peabody press release [http://www.peabody.uga.edu/news/pressrelease.asp?ID=135]:
::''[BSG] A belated, brilliantly re-imagined revival of a so-so 1970s outer-space saga, the series about imperiled survivors of a besieged planet has revitalized sci-fi television with its parallax considerations of politics, religion, sex, even what it means to be "human."
FYI.
--[[User:Bp|Bp]] 22:39, 6 April 2006 (CDT)


== BSG in the Comics ==
:::::Yes, V-Match first showed up there. Natalie Stark was also first named there, and the concept of a holoband sleeper weeks before it talked about Vesta and New Cap City. Furthermore, Serge and The Caprican's usage of place names and Pyramid facts all agree with each other. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:38, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


Battlestar Galactica has made it into the comics!  In the syndicated comic strip "Baldo" by Cantu and Castellano, Baldo and his friend are watching BSG.  It focuses on Adama giving commands with a Latino flare.  The comics can be viewed at the  [http://www.ucomics.com/baldo Baldo Website.] Click on the dates for April 5, 6, 7, 2006.--Monkeyboy
::::::Any ideas for what how citations should be formatted for: 1. Serge's Twitter account, and 2. ''The Caprican''? - [[User:JamiLeeD|JamiLeeD]] 03:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, thanks.  It was also in this great ''Dilbert'' a few weeks back. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 12:58, 7 April 2006 (CDT)


== Season 2.0 and 2.5 DVD ==
== Question....Original Series ==


Can anyone confirm whether they plan to release Season 2.0 and Season 2.1 as a complete DVD set of Season 2?
My teacher gave a clue to his laptop password...its "Three that was detroyed" from TOS
:We don't know, although we think they will make a separate set of DVDs for the second set of 10, so everyone that bought the first set will buy the second set. It would cost less, thus more people would buy it.  It's not called "2.1"; going by that terminology there would be 9 other halfs to season two.  It's "season 2.5". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 01:00, 10 April 2006 (CDT)
can anyone tell me what it means?
::I would guess the studios would do like they did with Lost, release both a 2.5 disc set and a complete set. However in the UK, as we have not had any dvds released yet at all for season 2, i'd hazard a guess that we'll only get a complete series. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 03:01, 10 April 2006 (CDT)
I tried D'Anna, Xena, And Six of one, none of the worked {{unsigned|Snarky}}


==Spoiler policy==
: "Three that was destroyed..." Hmm... Might be referring to a lot of things, actually. Like "Zac," the third child of Adama's that was killed in the pilot. Could be "Serina" too... I think your teacher needs to be a bit more specific. "Three" of what? Is "three" a specific thing, or does "three" mean a quantity? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


: ''Moved from [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Administrators' noticeboard]] by [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.]]''
== Color of links to other wikis ==
I'm not quite sure this is the right place to ask this. I find a bit confusing that links to other wikis (e.g. Wikipedia, Memory Alpha) share their color with battlestarwiki links. I think its cool to link to other wikis at times, for example to give real world perspectives on some matters but I'd like to directly know if a link leads me away from this site. Maybe another shade of yellow/orange could be used? -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 22:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
: Hmm... We could do that. I'd like to get everyone's impression on it though. I might tweet this so we can get some idea of what people think. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


I would like BattlestarWiki's Standards and Conventions page to address the following re: Spoilers.  You see, I think that a cast member mentioning something happening in an upcoming episode is a spoiler which we can post on BattlestarWiki.  However, as you may recall Ron Moore warning in his blog, in the days leading up to the season 2 finale one guy got his hands on an advanced DVD of the show and posted a lot of screencaps giving away most of the major plot points.  RDM was not pleased, nor was I.  We should not include such news into our updates of BSwiki.  Actually, what I wanted to bring up was something else more important:  From time to time, people post what they CLAIM are "advanced script fragments" from upcoming episodes.  More often than not, they're actually either fake, or (rarely) from such an early version of the script that it has little to do with the finalized story.  The idea which lends a shade of credibility to this (instead of just instantly thinking "someone made this up") is that logically, they send out early fragments of the script for potential guest stars to audition with.  Still '''almost all of these things I've ever seen are faked, while the others were from such early draft versions that they did not resemble the story at all.'''  You could count on one hand the times these things are actually what appeared in the show.  ---->Also, they're not exactly sourced.  As a result of this lack of sourcing, many are faked.  I mean, there is that handful which might actually have been "demo scripts" for guest actors, but as I said, these are rarely relevant to the actual plot.  As a combination of their generally fake nature and lack of sourcing, '''I propose that we add to our Standards and Conventions a rule clarifying our spoiler sourcing policy, that such "advanced script fragments" found on messageboards and such should not be used as a source of information to be put onto BattlestarWiki in any form whatsoever.  The only acceptible "spoilers" we use are cast and crew interview information, etc.  ''''--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:25, 10 April 2006 (CDT)
Just to illustrate my point (and bring the discussion up again): Most of you are probably aware of this but I think [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Ronald_D._Moore Memory Alpha] is a very good example for what I mean. The color of non-MA links is only slightly darker but it makes it very easy to spot them. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 19:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
: For the sake of clarity, I would be fine with this being noted in S&C. However, I believe "script fragments" and message board postings don't qualify as sources and would be eradicated due to the [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:36, 10 April 2006 (CDT)
::Indeed.  It's just that several people have been circulating these things and new users (infuriatingly) take them as fact over there.  I mean that D3u5 user probably saw it and assumed it was fact and tried to write it up here.  That's why I brought it up. But I actually think our current spoiler policies cover this very well, I just felt it should be re-iterated.  Thanks.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 16:50, 10 April 2006 (CDT)


::: I think that's not unreasonable. Maybe a shortened, kind of condensed blurb on S&C with a link to the full text of the Spoiler policy. Unless you would rather someone else do it, Merv, I'd like to see how you would realize this (i.e. go ahead and do it, unless you don't have the time or whatever). --[[User:Day|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]])</sup> 19:36, 10 April 2006 (CDT)
I am very much in support of this, I keep on getting sent to Memory Alpha or wherever when I don't really want to be. -- [[User:Rjinswand|Rjinswand]] 20:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


:Our current policy is that rumors and spoilers need to be sourced, and should be hidden by spoiltext when not on episode pages. I don't think we need to ban references to non-production sources - that would rule out the accurate and helpful Patriot Resource, among other things. Do I misunderstand your intention? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:45, 10 April 2006 (CDT)
The discussion wasn't very lively, sadly. But do we (=you, Joe) want to make a decission? I'm still very much in favor of this. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 09:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
: I'm very much in favor of this, too. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 12:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
: I'm in support of this and will work on it. What color should the off-site links be?  -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 05:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:: Cool. Two suggestions: <span style="color:#ff8935">Text</span> <span style="color:#c4c95b">Text</span>. The greenish one is derived from the yellow color of normal links. But the orange one might fit better with the wiki's overall style. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]]
::: I definitely like the orange version. Any other suggestions? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


:The policy I would like to see, personally is something like this: "Encyclopedic pages should contain only officially released (press release, TV listing) or definitifely sourced (producer's blog or podcast, detailed interview) information. After the episode airs, the episode itself is of course definitive. No detailed synopsis, no matter how credible the source, should be posted on an encyclopedic page before an episode has aired in one of its major markets."
I've rolled out this change. We can tweak it as we go, but it was a simple fix. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:01, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:I deliberately chose '''not''' to batten that down to "...aired in the US..." on the chance that some scheduling oddity might lead to, say, the UK seeing an episode before SciFi ran it. That sort of thing happened all the time with B5, but I don't actually know if it '''can''' happen with BSG.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 14:15, 11 April 2006 (CDT)
:Love it already. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 00:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
::The UK has Season 1 before it was shown in America but season 2 is about 3 months behind the us airdates :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 14:49, 11 April 2006 (CDT)
::Agreed! [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 04:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
: Cool! Just noticed that the new color doesn't show up in the note about the new color, though. ;) -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 09:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)


==Citation Links, Templates and...other things==
I have a suggestion for the wiki, I hope this is the right place to put this (The above discussion leads me to believe that it is), but it concerns the citation links to episodes, their placement and formatting.  I was thinking that a series of templates would allow the proper formatting this wiki wishes to obtain, while being able to properly link to the intended pages (for instance, having CAP lead to Caprica, instead of a disimbig page).  Some others from other wikis may get an idea of what I am trying to suggest (and perhaps it already has been done so).  This is not without it's flaws though, most wiki's have found (unless a better system can be put in place, or someone knows what they are doing are far better with wiki coding then I am) that episode pages all need to be moved to "title (episode)" to prevent false/unwanted page/wanted page requests.  Basically, the idea here is, when one wants to cite an episode of the reimagined series, they'd have to write <nowiki>([[TRS]]: "[[33]]")</nowiki>, my idea would have them writing out <nowiki>({{TRS|33}})</nowiki>, you'd get the same formatting, but less coding to do, especially if you going to cite multiple episodes. --[[User:Typhoeus|Typhoeus]] 07:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
: Thank you for the suggestion, however it's better to not go the template route for episode citations. First, this would not work for paragraphs where citing multiple episodes—perhaps across multiple series, like TRS & Caprica—would be necessary. Secondly, it's not really a matter of coding, but the number of database calls such a template would do each time the page is viewed—and, frankly, cost of increased database calls is not really worth that. Further, what you're suggesting is actually far more complicated than it has to be, both in terms of programming templates to deal with complex citation situations AND having people do it right the first time. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Alright, if it's going to end up costing more, I guess I can agree that it's not worth it, as for multiple episode citation though, Sorry, I forgot to add in, you'd simply add in another title after "33" as such "33|Title|Title 2" but anyway it doesn't matter, I wasn't aware that it would cause a database call that'd cost this wiki some money. --[[User:Typhoeus|Typhoeus]] 22:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
: Yeah, I had figured that too. It's a good idea, or seems to be, until you realize that there are over 4,000 articles that'll probably use the template, compounded by the many thousands of visitors we get on a daily basis... Then, it gets to be a bit of a quagmire. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


Gateworld.net recently posted up the "spoiler" which I have been referring to.  It's not from any legitimate source; they saw the exact same messageboart post I did, and THEY decided to accept it as fact.  It sounds kind of weird.  Anyway, I have asked Ron and Mrs. Ron on the official messageboard if there is ANY SHRED OF TRUTH in this report, or if it is someone's fanfic.  I probably won't get a reply.  Still, give me two days for an answer.  I don't like the way things are headed.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 01:11, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
== Query regarding suicide bombing in Battlestar Galactica ==
:So the leasson learned, assume anything unless it can be disproven. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 01:20, 12 April 2006 (CDT)


Hi. I'm currently writing an essay on the suicide bombing in the episode occupation. I'm framing it from Bill Adama's perspective looking back on the events of the suicide bombing and trying to debate the moral conundrums that the episode so cleverly draws out. I am going to try and reflect on past events both fictional and within our world now that may have happened in the past. I am intrigued to know whether there is anything in the scriptures of the twelve colonies or in cylon prophecy that mentions martyrdom or the cult of the hero? I was also wondering if you had any more info on how Adama's Mom and Sister died, I know it was a suicide bombing but is there any more specific information on how it happened and why?
Thanks a lot, Joe -- {{unsigned|JoeCarr}}


::'''No....no...Shane, the entire concept of BattlestarWiki's Standards and Conventions is that we assume NOTHING until it CAN be proven'''.  The entire point of the post I just made was "those idiots at Gateworld.net saw the same messageboard post I did, which I think might be fake, and they posted it up on their website without regard to the consequences; dear God, now other websites will assume it is fact, simply because Gateworld was dumb enough to post it themselves". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 01:24, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
: There's really nothing in the "Cylon scripture" or the [[Sacred Scrolls]] that tells their readers how to "deal" with "infidels." As for Adama's mom and sister's deaths, they were caused by [[Ben Stark]] of the [[Soldiers of the One]], who have their own aims and goals—as well as their own factions. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:55, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


:::We should not be posting here, as this is a place for alerts, but everything Gateworld get their hand on or reports seems to be true. Maybe they have the correct information. I already read the plot for Episode 1, Season 3. If you say GateWorld posts bad information, Gateworld would not be the place where you look up information. Simple math. We can discuss this further if you want on [[Talk:Season_3_%282006-07%29|Season 3 talk page]], but this alerts all the administrators. This is a trivial matter that could have been discussed on S&C also. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 01:30, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
== RDS / TRS ==


::::Shane, bother to read the posts I make.  Gateworld *IS* an almost always good source of information....that's why it would be so damaging if they posted something wrongBecause then everyone would assume it to be correct, coming from a reputable source like Gateworld. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 01:55, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
Why are articles in the reimagined series that need disambiguation marked "(RDM)" instead of "(TRS)"?  I understand where the RDM comes from, but [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|the series article itself]] uses TRS and reimagined series episode names in articles are supposed to be prefixed with TRS:, so it would appear that it's been decided that "TRS" is the appropriate series identifierTo use "RDM" in article names would seem to me, quite frankly, to be wrong. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 22:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


:::::I'm afraid I just don't see the urgency. Rumors are rumors. The best thing to do is cite agressively and not hold our breath. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:57, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
: Lexicon, it's a new thing... Before the advent of ''Caprica'', we used "RDM" to disambiguate any articles pertaining to the re-imagined series; "TRS" wasn't used back when we started. In a nutshell, we now use "RDM" to describe anything in the ''universe'' created by the  Reimagined Series (including ''Caprica''), whereas "TRS" is used for any subjects depicted solely in the Re-imagined Series (sans ''Caprica''). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 23:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


::::::I agree.  This is why I am moving this to the [[Battlestar Wiki:Wikipedian Quorum]], the more apt place for this sort of thing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:03, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
::Ah. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 23:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


== Screencaps ==
== Episode templates ==


Just to notify people that I have all of Season 1 in HR-HDTV format (960x528 res), as well as Season 2 episodes 6 to 12 inclusive (960x540). If anyone wants me to take a screencap of any point in any particular episode, drop me a line at: kai (underscore) robinson (at) hotmail (dot) com
I've created some simple templates like those on Memory Alpha for displaying episode titles with the appropriate prefixes and punctuation. They are:


Cheers :) --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 15:13, 15 April 2006 (CDT)
*<nowiki>{{TRS}}</nowiki>
*<nowiki>{{CAP}}</nowiki>
*<nowiki>{{1980}}</nowiki>


:Thank you for that most gracious offer. I am curious, though - what HDTV format has those dimensons? As I understand it,  HDTV should be in either 720x1280 or in 1080x1920. 960x540 appears to be a quarter the resolution of a 1080i image, and the 960x528 dimensions (20:11 aspect ratio?) are even more confusing. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:00, 15 April 2006 (CDT)
However, as there's already a <nowiki>{{TOS}}</nowiki> template (which has been a candidate for deletion for some time), I couldn't make that one.


::As far as i'm aware the 960x528's are actually slightly cropped from 960x540 to produce the actual picture as the HDTV version still has black bands on it (only just). This is due to them being capped in Australia from 'Network 10'. The 960x540's are indeed 50% reduction in vertical and horizontal res from the 1920x1080i, but thanks to the way that 'UniversalHD' have broadcast them, there are no black bands to crop off. I still have to wait to see if anyone manages to pull off capping BSG from SkyOne HD when it starts broadcasting later this year, although judging from the amount of proprietary DRM crap they'll use, its unlikely. Still, the offers open to all that want the caps that i've got. --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 20:52, 16 April 2006 (CDT)
The template can be used by simply putting an episode name after a bar, and can fit up to eight episode names. So <nowiki>{{TRS|Miniseries, Night 1|Miniseries, Night 2}}</nowiki> produces {{TRS|Miniseries, Night 1|Miniseries, Night 2}}.  Will these be considered useful?  And if so, can we get that other <nowiki>{{TOS}}</nowiki> template gone so we can have a full set? [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 23:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I didn't mean to imply that they'd be unwelcome - obviously, even 960x540 will be considerably better than anything we have here currently. Feel free to browse the newly created [[:Category:Screen captures requiring upgrade]] and upgrade any images which strike your fancy.--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:38, 16 April 2006 (CDT)
::::Wasnt taking it that way :P I noticed several categories for screenies for each ep, however, is there no place I can just upload a bunch of them to? If not on the wiki, then i'll create a separate directory on my webspace and post the URL for other more seasoned wiki veterans to upload... --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 00:37, 17 April 2006 (CDT)
:::::Uploading images is pretty straightforward, all you need to do is pick a filename. They land in the appropriate categories automatically after you tag them. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:39, 17 April 2006 (CDT)


== Can't find a picture ==
: Not to splash acid on what you've done, but this was [[#Citation Links, Templates and...other things|brought up before]]. Now this is not to remind people that the decision made from that discussion is final (as it isn't), but I think it highlights something that most people do not consider. Feel free to further discuss. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:36, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


I'm looking for a picture of the Pegasus' rail guns in Resurrection Ship Part II. Any picture showing the Pegasus firing would work.
::Any idea what the "cost" of the use of such templates would be?  And is there a way to substitute the results of templates instead of having the templates actually called?  I thought that that was possible (I'm a regular Wikipedia editor and Admin). Further, are there no bot programmers around who could just whip up a script to crawl the wiki and make all the changes? [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:How about the ones on [[Pegasus (RDM)#Equipment]]? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:47, 17 April 2006 (CDT)


==Sitenotice on Koenigrules vote==
:::Well, there are more than 4,000 pages that would call the script, and with the average page using roughly 5 of these episode templates per page... it gets to be a bit of a quagmire, as I mentioned before. Now times that by how many visits we get on a daily basis (40 to 50k)... So that's an additional 800,000,000(ish) calls per day—in addition to whatever the other templates (infoboxes and so forth) that each article calls. Now, Shane's done a good job at trying to reduce the server calls (because MW has this annoying habit of calling everything whenever the page is ''loaded'', as opposed to when it is ''updated''). Now our new server has some real power behind it, so I do feel that we could more than handle that... Still, I'm very cautious so I will have to speak to Shane about this, because he knows more about the tech stuff than I do.
Anybody mind if I update [[Mediawiki:Sitenotice]] to draw attention to the vote underway at [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Citation Jihad#Koenigrules/Hollywood North Report]]? (Moreover, can we do this for any vote of public interest in the future, such as RFAs?) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:04, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
: I'm fine with this. These things do affect the wiki on a wide scale, after all.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 22:27, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
::Done. I used a separate box since the Portal notice will probably continue to be relevant after this vote closes. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:35, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
:::Great! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 22:43, 20 April 2006 (CDT)


== Battlestarwiki Deutsch ==
:::As for the bot code, Shane wrote (or modified) many of the bots. I spoke to him about that a few weeks ago, and (from what he and I understand) MW changed the way bots work in the 1.15 series. So we'll need to work on that as well, whenever we're not busy working. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


First of all, I'd like to thank all Battlestarwikipedians involved for creating the [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/de/ German Edition]. But the pages can be edited by anyone, not just registered users. -- [[User:Astfgl|Astfgl]] 07:26, 22 April 2006 (CDT)
== SVG images ==
: I'll fix that... :::rolls up sleeves::: -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 14:33, 22 April 2006 (CDT)
I get this error when I try to include an SVG image I uploaded on a page:
: Fixed. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 14:44, 22 April 2006 (CDT)


== Main Page Redesign ==
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Hey all. Just for a heads up, I have been working on a [[User:Shane/Main Page|Main Page redesign]] and will want your input before it does go live. The talk page (after you click the link above) brings you to the discussion. Also in the design are portals. The "look" is now working! So be sure to check out [[Battlestar Wiki:Portals]] to see some examples. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 15:00, 22 April 2006 (CDT)
Solution? [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 02:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think you should change the names like "President's Docket" to stuff that's more functional or intuitive; we get a lot of newbies in using us purely as an encyclopedia and I think it should be as new-user friendly as possible. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:13, 22 April 2006 (CDT)
::The top part needs some work; the large big box on top region; links to the quorum, other shows etc seem squeezed in; the quote of the day box needs some fixing for aesthetics. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:15, 22 April 2006 (CDT)


== Proposed Policies ==
: I'll have to check on this. I've written this down on my TO-DO list so I do not forget. Cheers! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


[[:Category:Battlestar_Wiki_proposed_policies]] - I think we need to start going through this list and looking at these pages so they can be impemented or not with Community Consenus. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 11:37, 25 April 2006 (CDT)
::Haven't been around for a while, but coming back now I see there's no error message shown anymore, but svg images are still not being displayed. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 16:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


== Community Portal ==
::: Huh? Can you provide a link to the images that aren't showing up? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:39, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


If everyone can give input on what we should include on the Community Portal, we could get it up and fully running quicker! Thanks! --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 11:38, 25 April 2006 (CDT)
== Ronald D Moore PODCASTS pulled from SyFy website?? ==
: To get the ball rolling... Basically, the community portal should have links to the Quourm and the noticeboard in place. Also, while we're not a search engine service, we should list links to news sites, forums, and hot community spots. Additionally, the Community Portal should link to the Portals throughout the site as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 22:41, 1 May 2006 (CDT)


==An apology regarding spokesmanship==
Hello all,
As many of you have read, I [[Sources:Correspondence with Jim Iaccino|recently offered]] an apology to Jim Iaccino (a.k.a. Koenigrules) on the behalf of the Battlestar Wiki community, for the comments of one of our members. This was shortly after I [[Talk:Precipice#Question_about_Koenigrules|pointed out]] that it was inappropriate for any of us to speak as the sole voice of the wiki, and therefore makes my action extremely hypocritical.


I am fully aware that my status as an Administrator does not confer on me authority to act as a spokesperson for the wiki, and I apologize to any users here who may feel that I misrepresented them. In my defense, I will say that I felt it was a necessary step to restore civil discourse to a situation which was quickly escalating out of hand.
I've been enjoying the Podcasts as I work my way through this great series (half way through Season 3), though I was sad to see that as of yesterday the Podcasts are no longer hosted on the SyFy website.  Does anyone know of another web location where I can download those great podcasts??{{unsigned|Dimsdail}}
:Check iTunes. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 12:35, 8 May 2012 (EDT)


If Joe or the other admin staff feel that my action was inappropriate, I will abide by any disciplinary ruling they decide to issue. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:22, 26 April 2006 (CDT)
== Sacred Scrolls, Book of Pythia ==


:Ah, I don't see it as more than a single ''faux pas''. The end (apologing in proxy for others who personally insult someone to the point of slander on a internet site) justified the means (albeit unkosher). Given the harsh tone done by the contributors on the subject, I'd say it was the right thing to do. I don't feel you need to be busted down to take [[User:Day|Mop Boy]]'s job or anything (yet. ;) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:20, 1 May 2006 (CDT)
Some friends of mine were haveing a disscusion about the Scared Scrolls and when and where they were written. Most say they were written on the Colonies, I say they were written on Kobol then addes to like the New Testement kinda. Also the phrase Life here began out there, same arguement. Does the saying start on Kobol or was it added once the got to the 12 colonies? Any thoughts or views welcome. Thanks, Unca John


::I do not want to drag this up again as it was resolved, and I agree that it inappropriate for anyone to act as sole spokesperson. However, my accusation against KR was at the time a believe based on facts available to me at the time, and I believed in them. **However, when I got pointed towards more information which dispelled the belief I had developed because of the earlier one, and it was clearly established that KR was a reliable source, things changed: rather than flying into a rage or adamantly declaring that I was right and would "stay the course" despite all the info, I changed my position, admitted my positiion was wrong (as there were things I didn't know) and appologized, and retracted the whole thing. This was resolved, and to be honest, more amicably than I had hoped.  More to the point, before KR responded everyone here voted that they agreed with my (previous) position.  I think this was all just a bad incident we need to learn from, developing our spoilers tags more and so forth, and I think we're making good progress discussing that.  The kinks a Wiki site going through as it grows and becomes a mature full fledged site.  At no time did I feel that Peter is or has been out of line; he needs give no appology :) officer and a gentleman all the way. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 14:38, 1 May 2006 (CDT)
:The first [http://media.wiley.com/product_data/excerpt/90/04703990/0470399090.pdf chapter (Are You Alive?)] of [[The Science of Battlestar Galactica]] sheds some light on the discussion, those interested can read it -- -- [[User:CylonU87|CylonU87]] <sup>[[User talk:CylonU87|I don't feel like a copy.]]</sup> 13:54, 6 August 2012 (EDT)


: Peter, I have no problem with what you did.  If I had problems with what you did, you would have known well before now. The problem was solved and everyone came to an agreement. Kudos! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 22:21, 1 May 2006 (CDT)
== Editing the Merchandise Page ==


::Nevertheless, it needed to be said for the benefit of the community in general. I'm glad this whole situation is close to resolution. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:41, 1 May 2006 (CDT)
Hey, so I'm trying to figure out how to edit the Merchandise category page. What I'm trying to do is edit out the "Eaglemoss" category as all of the models that they have released have been covered by the category below "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Ships Collection". I'm also trying to add a "Video Games" section to the list, but for some reason, I cannot edit the template and I've spent a couple of hours trying to solve this problem. My question is, please can someone help me do this?


:::I'm happy it's done too: now we can get back to serious work; painstakingly transcribing Ron Moore's drunken podcast ramblings after 100's of hours of manpower. :) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 23:32, 1 May 2006 (CDT)
Thanks in advanced! {{Unsigned|Fisher 2000}}


== User Feedback ==
:You'll need to go to the [[:Category:Eaglemoss]] page and click on the three line menu, select "Category," and edit the Category to remove or re-sort it so that it removes the Eaglemoss listing from the category. If you're wanting to add Video Games category as a sub-category to the Merchandise category, then you would go to the [[:Category:Video Game]] page and add it accordingly. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 03:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
We, the editors of Battlestar Wiki, quickly become versed in the ways of Wiki-code. However, a great many of the users of this site lack such knowledge, and don't really want/need to learn it in order to use the site. The only problem with this (other than losing out on potential contributors), is that we don't really get feedback from them. [[User:Mazzy|Mazzy]] recently left some feedback on the main page redesign, and I thanked her for the feedback off-wiki, where she pointed out this problem. Does anybody have any ideas on ways that we could solicit feedback from users '''without''' having to use the "edit" button and wikicode? Maybe some sort of a simple javascript form or such that allows (even non-logged in users?) to post thoughts/suggestions? It'd be ripe for vandalism, but I'd like to hear from "the people". --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:02, 1 May 2006 (CDT)
:One option: Starbuck, the head honcho over at the [http://galacticabs.com Galactica BS forum] has offered that forum as a possible place for getting feedback about the wiki. I told her I would convey the offer here. (I wasn't acting as a spokesman, but just was brainstorming with Mazzy and Starbuck offered.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:13, 1 May 2006 (CDT)
::Excellent.  PaperBagPrincess (a.k.a. Starbuck) rocks.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 14:39, 1 May 2006 (CDT)
::Not a bad idea, and it prevents spamming email boxes or wikis. I'd be interested in Joe's take. Are our portals useable as chat boards? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:22, 1 May 2006 (CDT)
:::Unfortunately (or fortunately?) the portals are bound by the same restrictions as any other article. It's just a pattern for laying out the content. I was thinking maybe a javascript form with a simple text box, but when Starbuck offered I thought it was an interesting idea. The wiki's weakest area is in simple communication, and partnering with a message board (run by us or otherwise) might allow us to help overcome that deficit. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:29, 1 May 2006 (CDT)
::::I own a vBullitien lience with no "forum" to hold it on. Though I think that it is great to "chat", alot of the Wiki stuff must happen on the Wiki because it's easy to link to different areas. However, we should not use a sperate outside "community" forum. I would be willing to donate my licence for use on Joe's server. (http://forum.battlestarwiki.org/) which could be intergrated with the Wiki "user" database so that you would not have to create a sperate user database. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 17:02, 1 May 2006 (CDT)
::::: Well I figure I should throw this in, Shane has a valid point about not being a public forum.  Starbuck assured me it could be done privately and if you needed external mods from our site we could help (there are those who have little wiki contact) but you could also do the admin stuff yourself.  I dunno exactly what you are looking for but I think a place where non article discussions and feedback could be handled in a more user friendly and easily moderated place would have a positive impact.  Guests can log in and comment as well.  I personally am just learning the administrative functions but the board that Shane mentioned and the Invision power board formats would be adaptable to your needs.  -- [[User:Mazzy|Mazzy]] 17:18, 1 May 2006 (CDT)
: While I do appreciate PaperBagPrincess/Starbuck's offer of hosting a board, I would like to keep everything centralized to avoid confusion and duplication of efforts -- were we to go through with a bulletin board idea.  The sole concern I have at this time is the fact that I believe that wiki communication should stay on the Wiki as much as possible. It's nice to solicit feedback from users, but I would like to keep it contained in one place, so that all can benefit from the conversations. (OTOH, I believe that the Wiki is for all the fandom, and they deserve the right to be heard as well.)  Thus, while I'm obviously a bit leery of using bulletin boards, I would be willing to have Shane set up such a board.  I figure that, even if it doesn't work out, we can always pull the plug later. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 22:17, 1 May 2006 (CDT)
::Well I think that's the concept of having talk pages and such but I think PBP's help would be good; I don't really think we should make a dedicated BSWiki forum. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 23:30, 1 May 2006 (CDT)
:::You're exactly right that talk pages '''should''' be the place for feedback. However leaving feedback requires:
:::# Creating an account (which isn't all that hard if your name is 114167580 or whatever).
:::# Editing the talk page.
:::I'm just afraid that the time/effort behind accomplishing both of those goes beyond what some users (who might have some good, valid feedback ideas) are willing to put forth in order to leave a comment. The path of least resistance, in this case, is "lurking". I didn't mean to start a revolution. (Well... Ok. Maybe a little bit.) Maybe we're just talking something as simple as a javascript form that guests could post through comments to a specific talk page under some sort of a "guest" account. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:51, 2 May 2006 (CDT)
::In lieu of a message board, I remembered something I came across earlier when I was looking to see what extensions we could use on BSG Wiki. [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Inputbox It's an extension for input boxes] and it was initially designed to add data to WikiNews.  I don't know how well it will work, but if Shane can test it out on the [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/hangarbay Hangar Bay], then we can determine whether or not this is a method to solicit feedback anonymously from our lurkers. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 11:20, 2 May 2006 (CDT)
:::I just looked at the ext. so I will test it out. I think the only problem with the item is that it is an input box and it does not have the ability to "connect" with a block of comment like we do with <nowiki>:</nowiki>. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 12:00, 2 May 2006 (CDT)

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Rewrote Council Security[edit]

I did a pretty much total rewrite of Council Security. Hope it passes muster. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 10:35, 8 February 2008 (CST)

Looks good in general. Nice details of their appearances. Though we generally write the article bodies themselves from a strictly in-universe perspective and confine real-world references to notes (unless it's an article dealing with an obvious real-world subject of course). -- Serenity 10:45, 8 February 2008 (CST)
Yeah, I re-read the policy on that last night (after like 3 months); will re-re-write the article so that the real-world stuff is in the Notes section, unless someone has beat me to it. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 02:47, 9 February 2008 (CST)
I removed it. It was mainly about the comparisons to the US police or Secret Service. The article is fine without that. Saying things like "In episode so and so they did..." is ok if it can't be avoided. Since the article partly deals with their different depiction in various episodes, that's appropriate in this case. So a completely re-write isn't really necessary. -- Serenity 08:54, 9 February 2008 (CST)

"Spoiler follows, highlight to read"[edit]

Does anybody else find the "highlight to read" style distracting and kind of unprofessional? Why can't we just use a little CSS to make a pop-down spoiler box:

(This is GFDL code from Wikipedia, I can copy it over to a template and give credit where it's due.) Evan 16:59, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

I don't see any problem with this. :) What does everyone else think? -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 17:17, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
Format's pages wrong. Shane (T - C - E) 17:40, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
In what way? -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 18:11, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
Colours don't work in BsgMonoBook, alignment is off in BsgBook, I don't see anything wrong in the default skin though. Evan 18:22, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
Nvm, the colours work in MonoBook. Actually I don't see anything wrong in any of the skins. Evan 18:38, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
If it doesn't screw anything up, this would be far better than the highlight thing we have now. -- Serenity 18:54, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
The drop down does not format on lists correct. Like before, it would create a new line and interrupt the list numbers. Also, from our previous discussion on javascript expanding boxes in the middle of episodes pages (which are not at the top), templates that expand huge things of text change the entire format of the page layout when they expand. Images get shifted and it creates an unnesseary new lines that were not there before. It's always 100% width. Shane (T - C - E) 09:30, 21 March 2008 (CDT)

OK, the template is created as Template:Spoilerbox, add it if you like. I'm not going to replace the existing spoilers since... I don't want to be spoiled :) Evan 07:39, 21 March 2008 (CDT)

Nice template. Less is more for me on some pages, especially now. --Spencerian 11:42, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
Uh, one question...what's the input format for the template? I can't glean that from the description. --Spencerian 11:45, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
I've updated the page, but the syntax is {{spoilerbox|This is a spoiler! Muhahahahha!}}. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 13:55, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
I like the idea, but I'm not sure it's universally better than the current method... Especially if it will create problems like Shane mentioned. As dumb as it seems, I think the current method does have some advantages: Depending on how someone highlights the spoiler, they can control how much of the spoiler is revealed. Also, people can gauge how much content the spoiler contains just by looking at the amount of unreadable text. --Galjamspe 00:40, 22 March 2008 (CDT)

Proposition for new article[edit]

Hi! Quite new here, and since I don't find a button for creating a new article, I figure I must go through the Quorum?

I'd love it if we could open a small article for adding notice for Caprica Six's unborn baby. There's no actual article for this person yet, and I have to write my mentions about it, in already existing articles like Gaius Baltar's and Caprica Six's.

Thanks for the attention! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iniovan (talk • contribs).

Do we really know anything about the baby enough to write an article? At this point, we just know that Caprica-Six is pregnant and that the father is Saul. Other than that... any analysis on it could probably fit in the episode guides. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 18:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Question on editing etiquette[edit]

Hi,

I'm a newbie here. So this is a question so I can hopefully avoid stepping on anyone's toes. If you see an existing article and wish to add to the information and content, would it always be best to ask the original contributor before doing so? Especially if to do so, I would have to move some items around in the original article.

For example, I want to put in a new reference to supplement the article, however, it would need to go before an existing article, requiring renumbering of all of the references.

I'm just trying to get a feel of what is good editing and bad editing before I put foot in mouth.

thanks! Jeff Rabb

In a word, no. In addition to greatly slowing down the ability for the community to keep things up to date, it also ignores the fact that once you hit "save page" your edits become community property. There really isn't an "ownership" of articles, outside of perhaps articles in the "User" namespace. So feel free to be bold and get in those edits. If somebody takes issue with your edits they can either change it back themselves, take it up in the talk page of the article in question, and/or potentially bring it up on your talk page. New references are almost always welcome, as they're the glue that binds this place together. --Steelviper 23:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice! Jeff

How Can This Not Be Canonical?[edit]

On the unnamed battlestars page, there is section dealing with the Berserk Class Escort. A notation notes the specific information on this class of ship is non-canonical. Presumably because it comes from the ship designer's own website vs that from one of the sanctioned websites or sources. But the ship WAS used in Razor. So how can one on one hand use it in the show and on the other hand say that any specific information on it from it's creator is non-canonical simply because TPTB never bothered to put it with a sanctioned source? It either is or isn't in my book. I'm sure this discussion has arisen many times before, but I'd like to find out the final arguement that finally determined why this source, which straddles the line, should be excluded as non-sanctioned? Jeff Rabb

The ship described on the website is on the show, but canon starts from the aired content and trickles down from there. So while we do see the ship, we aren't given any in-show identification of the ship. Also, there's nothing from the producers on the matter. However... the information coming from "crew" does seem to place it somewhere in category 3 in the source hierarchy, so it should have some weight (IMO). Anyway, I can see where the note was coming from (in that none of the information about the name of the ship, etc., came from any aired info or from RDM, etc), but I think you've got a decent argument. Given Joe's edit to the article, it appears he at least checked out the source website enough to correct the spelling to match it. Personally, I'd consider replacing the "canon" note and just replace it with a reference pointing to Chu's website. I do have to agree that it's not necessarily a battlestar, and in fact given the escort designation it's likely not a battlestar. Battleships don't "escort" battleships, and likewise with aircraft carriers. --Steelviper 01:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

The Caprican - Will We, Won't We[edit]

Hello all,

Very, very new here. I'm wondering if the contents of the newzine "The Caprican" will be included in info on the Caprica series?

It's been really great to read it, and join in the group that's been posting in character. I wouldn't think that the comments would be included as material, but the actual articles seem like they're going to be good fodder for Colonial life in general.

Thanks! Glasswalker33

I think we need to be very clear that whatever is in "The Caprican" isn't necessarily canon. If that's done, I have no qualm about including it, since it is put out officially by the SyFy Channel. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 03:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
As I am new to this website, I was looking for an answer to this question (that, and regarding whether we will include the information from Serge's Twitter account). How should we distinguish it is not "necessarily canon" - a separate non-canon section of a particular article, just note information in the background info./notes or just include it in the main article until it is contradicted? --JamiLeeD 23:45, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Everything's been canonical so far, including things first mentioned in The Caprican that appear onscreen days or weeks later. The latest example being Eros Day, which was mentioned in The Caprican a month ago and on the card in "End of Line". -- Noneofyourbusiness 23:52, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Also, the rather ominous note about new railings on the Pantheon Bridge appeared weeks ahead of End of Line: http://showblogs.syfy.com/caprican/news/pantheon-bridge-getting-new-safety-measures.php Other things that appeaned in the Caprican before they showed up on the show were Vesta, the terror alert being raised (which was a plot point in End of Line-- it was why they couldn't get Zoebot off-planet for another week), and (if I'm remembering right) v-date. Clearly whoever writes it is involved with the production of the show. -- Rjinswand 01:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes, V-Match first showed up there. Natalie Stark was also first named there, and the concept of a holoband sleeper weeks before it talked about Vesta and New Cap City. Furthermore, Serge and The Caprican's usage of place names and Pyramid facts all agree with each other. -- Noneofyourbusiness 15:38, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Any ideas for what how citations should be formatted for: 1. Serge's Twitter account, and 2. The Caprican? - JamiLeeD 03:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Question....Original Series[edit]

My teacher gave a clue to his laptop password...its "Three that was detroyed" from TOS can anyone tell me what it means? I tried D'Anna, Xena, And Six of one, none of the worked —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Snarky (talk • contribs).

"Three that was destroyed..." Hmm... Might be referring to a lot of things, actually. Like "Zac," the third child of Adama's that was killed in the pilot. Could be "Serina" too... I think your teacher needs to be a bit more specific. "Three" of what? Is "three" a specific thing, or does "three" mean a quantity? -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 19:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Color of links to other wikis[edit]

I'm not quite sure this is the right place to ask this. I find a bit confusing that links to other wikis (e.g. Wikipedia, Memory Alpha) share their color with battlestarwiki links. I think its cool to link to other wikis at times, for example to give real world perspectives on some matters but I'd like to directly know if a link leads me away from this site. Maybe another shade of yellow/orange could be used? -- Penumbra 22:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... We could do that. I'd like to get everyone's impression on it though. I might tweet this so we can get some idea of what people think. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 22:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Just to illustrate my point (and bring the discussion up again): Most of you are probably aware of this but I think Memory Alpha is a very good example for what I mean. The color of non-MA links is only slightly darker but it makes it very easy to spot them. -- Penumbra 19:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I am very much in support of this, I keep on getting sent to Memory Alpha or wherever when I don't really want to be. -- Rjinswand 20:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

The discussion wasn't very lively, sadly. But do we (=you, Joe) want to make a decission? I'm still very much in favor of this. -- Penumbra 09:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm very much in favor of this, too. --Pedda 12:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm in support of this and will work on it. What color should the off-site links be? -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 05:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Cool. Two suggestions: Text Text. The greenish one is derived from the yellow color of normal links. But the orange one might fit better with the wiki's overall style. -- Penumbra
I definitely like the orange version. Any other suggestions? -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 15:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I've rolled out this change. We can tweak it as we go, but it was a simple fix. ;-) -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 22:01, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Love it already. --Pedda 00:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Agreed! JubalHarshaw 04:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Cool! Just noticed that the new color doesn't show up in the note about the new color, though. ;) -- Penumbra 09:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Citation Links, Templates and...other things[edit]

I have a suggestion for the wiki, I hope this is the right place to put this (The above discussion leads me to believe that it is), but it concerns the citation links to episodes, their placement and formatting. I was thinking that a series of templates would allow the proper formatting this wiki wishes to obtain, while being able to properly link to the intended pages (for instance, having CAP lead to Caprica, instead of a disimbig page). Some others from other wikis may get an idea of what I am trying to suggest (and perhaps it already has been done so). This is not without it's flaws though, most wiki's have found (unless a better system can be put in place, or someone knows what they are doing are far better with wiki coding then I am) that episode pages all need to be moved to "title (episode)" to prevent false/unwanted page/wanted page requests. Basically, the idea here is, when one wants to cite an episode of the reimagined series, they'd have to write ([[TRS]]: "[[33]]"), my idea would have them writing out ({{TRS|33}}), you'd get the same formatting, but less coding to do, especially if you going to cite multiple episodes. --Typhoeus 07:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion, however it's better to not go the template route for episode citations. First, this would not work for paragraphs where citing multiple episodes—perhaps across multiple series, like TRS & Caprica—would be necessary. Secondly, it's not really a matter of coding, but the number of database calls such a template would do each time the page is viewed—and, frankly, cost of increased database calls is not really worth that. Further, what you're suggesting is actually far more complicated than it has to be, both in terms of programming templates to deal with complex citation situations AND having people do it right the first time. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 14:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Alright, if it's going to end up costing more, I guess I can agree that it's not worth it, as for multiple episode citation though, Sorry, I forgot to add in, you'd simply add in another title after "33" as such "33|Title|Title 2" but anyway it doesn't matter, I wasn't aware that it would cause a database call that'd cost this wiki some money. --Typhoeus 22:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I had figured that too. It's a good idea, or seems to be, until you realize that there are over 4,000 articles that'll probably use the template, compounded by the many thousands of visitors we get on a daily basis... Then, it gets to be a bit of a quagmire. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 22:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Query regarding suicide bombing in Battlestar Galactica[edit]

Hi. I'm currently writing an essay on the suicide bombing in the episode occupation. I'm framing it from Bill Adama's perspective looking back on the events of the suicide bombing and trying to debate the moral conundrums that the episode so cleverly draws out. I am going to try and reflect on past events both fictional and within our world now that may have happened in the past. I am intrigued to know whether there is anything in the scriptures of the twelve colonies or in cylon prophecy that mentions martyrdom or the cult of the hero? I was also wondering if you had any more info on how Adama's Mom and Sister died, I know it was a suicide bombing but is there any more specific information on how it happened and why? Thanks a lot, Joe -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JoeCarr (talk • contribs).

There's really nothing in the "Cylon scripture" or the Sacred Scrolls that tells their readers how to "deal" with "infidels." As for Adama's mom and sister's deaths, they were caused by Ben Stark of the Soldiers of the One, who have their own aims and goals—as well as their own factions. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 14:55, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

RDS / TRS[edit]

Why are articles in the reimagined series that need disambiguation marked "(RDM)" instead of "(TRS)"? I understand where the RDM comes from, but the series article itself uses TRS and reimagined series episode names in articles are supposed to be prefixed with TRS:, so it would appear that it's been decided that "TRS" is the appropriate series identifier. To use "RDM" in article names would seem to me, quite frankly, to be wrong. Lexicon 22:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Lexicon, it's a new thing... Before the advent of Caprica, we used "RDM" to disambiguate any articles pertaining to the re-imagined series; "TRS" wasn't used back when we started. In a nutshell, we now use "RDM" to describe anything in the universe created by the Reimagined Series (including Caprica), whereas "TRS" is used for any subjects depicted solely in the Re-imagined Series (sans Caprica). -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 23:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Ah. Lexicon 23:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Episode templates[edit]

I've created some simple templates like those on Memory Alpha for displaying episode titles with the appropriate prefixes and punctuation. They are:

  • {{TRS}}
  • {{CAP}}
  • {{1980}}

However, as there's already a {{TOS}} template (which has been a candidate for deletion for some time), I couldn't make that one.

The template can be used by simply putting an episode name after a bar, and can fit up to eight episode names. So {{TRS|Miniseries, Night 1|Miniseries, Night 2}} produces (TRS: "Miniseries, Night 1", "Miniseries, Night 2"). Will these be considered useful? And if so, can we get that other {{TOS}} template gone so we can have a full set? Lexicon 23:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Not to splash acid on what you've done, but this was brought up before. Now this is not to remind people that the decision made from that discussion is final (as it isn't), but I think it highlights something that most people do not consider. Feel free to further discuss. :) -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 14:36, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Any idea what the "cost" of the use of such templates would be? And is there a way to substitute the results of templates instead of having the templates actually called? I thought that that was possible (I'm a regular Wikipedia editor and Admin). Further, are there no bot programmers around who could just whip up a script to crawl the wiki and make all the changes? Lexicon 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Well, there are more than 4,000 pages that would call the script, and with the average page using roughly 5 of these episode templates per page... it gets to be a bit of a quagmire, as I mentioned before. Now times that by how many visits we get on a daily basis (40 to 50k)... So that's an additional 800,000,000(ish) calls per day—in addition to whatever the other templates (infoboxes and so forth) that each article calls. Now, Shane's done a good job at trying to reduce the server calls (because MW has this annoying habit of calling everything whenever the page is loaded, as opposed to when it is updated). Now our new server has some real power behind it, so I do feel that we could more than handle that... Still, I'm very cautious so I will have to speak to Shane about this, because he knows more about the tech stuff than I do.
As for the bot code, Shane wrote (or modified) many of the bots. I spoke to him about that a few weeks ago, and (from what he and I understand) MW changed the way bots work in the 1.15 series. So we'll need to work on that as well, whenever we're not busy working. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 14:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

SVG images[edit]

I get this error when I try to include an SVG image I uploaded on a page:

Error creating thumbnail: /usr/bin/rsvg: not found

Solution? Lexicon 02:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I'll have to check on this. I've written this down on my TO-DO list so I do not forget. Cheers! -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 14:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Haven't been around for a while, but coming back now I see there's no error message shown anymore, but svg images are still not being displayed. Lexicon 16:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Huh? Can you provide a link to the images that aren't showing up? -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 19:39, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Ronald D Moore PODCASTS pulled from SyFy website??[edit]

Hello all,

I've been enjoying the Podcasts as I work my way through this great series (half way through Season 3), though I was sad to see that as of yesterday the Podcasts are no longer hosted on the SyFy website. Does anyone know of another web location where I can download those great podcasts??—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dimsdail (talk • contribs).

Check iTunes. -- FrankieG 12:35, 8 May 2012 (EDT)

Sacred Scrolls, Book of Pythia[edit]

Some friends of mine were haveing a disscusion about the Scared Scrolls and when and where they were written. Most say they were written on the Colonies, I say they were written on Kobol then addes to like the New Testement kinda. Also the phrase Life here began out there, same arguement. Does the saying start on Kobol or was it added once the got to the 12 colonies? Any thoughts or views welcome. Thanks, Unca John

The first chapter (Are You Alive?) of The Science of Battlestar Galactica sheds some light on the discussion, those interested can read it -- -- CylonU87 I don't feel like a copy. 13:54, 6 August 2012 (EDT)

Editing the Merchandise Page[edit]

Hey, so I'm trying to figure out how to edit the Merchandise category page. What I'm trying to do is edit out the "Eaglemoss" category as all of the models that they have released have been covered by the category below "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Ships Collection". I'm also trying to add a "Video Games" section to the list, but for some reason, I cannot edit the template and I've spent a couple of hours trying to solve this problem. My question is, please can someone help me do this?

Thanks in advanced! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fisher 2000 (talk • contribs).

You'll need to go to the Category:Eaglemoss page and click on the three line menu, select "Category," and edit the Category to remove or re-sort it so that it removes the Eaglemoss listing from the category. If you're wanting to add Video Games category as a sub-category to the Merchandise category, then you would go to the Category:Video Game page and add it accordingly. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 03:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)