Talk:Laura Roslin/Archive 1

Source for SkyOne?

Where does this "SkyOne" information come from anyway? I've tried the SkyOne website and can't find any of these "SkyOne" information things for Roslin, Starbuck, Baltar, etc. Does anyone actually have a LINK to any of these things? I'm confused. If there's no links, we may have to delete these. --Ricimer 15:12, 23 January 2006 (EST)

I generally concur with this. Like the unverified Zoic-sourced info on "other" battlestars in RDM, this source needs to be linked per the Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad or be deleted. Such information also appears on Kara Thrace and the Lee Adama articles. --Spencerian 15:15, 23 January 2006 (EST)

And also Sharon. Troyian seems to have been a busy little beaver. I mean, I understand when people read articles in magaines that aren't online, etc., but if this SkyOne thing has a website, why has no one ever provided a link to ANY of this information? --Ricimer 15:26, 23 January 2006 (EST)

This is my fault. I found the SkyOne information on "The Secret Cylon" Livejournal community, in a pair of posts dated October 24th, 2005 – Part 1, Part 2. --Peter Farago 19:06, 23 January 2006 (EST)

• Apparently the information was originally on the SkyOne site, but at some point it was removed for some reason. Luckily some fans wrote all the information on the characters down, so it was saved. -- Troyian 23:29, 23 January 2006 (EST)

"Apparentky" according to who? I mean--maybe, rather than saving this information from web page editors, they just made it up and said they were saving it. Or maybe the reason it was removed is because it will be shown on screen later to be wrong. Or something like that. Anyway... Just thought I'd point out how little we really know about the source of this. Of course, all of my post is moot if one of us actually read it on the SkyOne web site before it was taken down. --Day 12:20, 24 January 2006 (EST)

Succession Boxes

What's up with the succession templates towards the bottom of this one? Are those templates to be? They're currently busted... --Steelviper 15:30, 31 January 2006 (EST)

Looking at the history, it appears Ricimer put them there yesterday. -- Joe Beaudoin 15:36, 31 January 2006 (EST)

History? Oh. THAT's what that button is for. (Actually, I just suggested another user look at the history on Lorne Greene, so my hypocrite alarm just went off. My bad.) Oh, Joe... Did you get my email? Pia (of battlestarfanclub.de) responded, and I forwarded it to you. It sounds encouraging. --Steelviper 15:40, 31 January 2006 (EST)

I put them in after seeing them on Roslin's Wikipedia article. I have no idea why they aren't working here. Can someone please try to get them to work? If not, delete it if we can't fix it. --Ricimer 17:52, 31 January 2006 (EST)

The wikipedia version has the benefit of all the breadth and depth of the countless Wikipedia:Templates at its disposal. I've started playing with creating equivalent templates, but the conditional templates appear to be acting a little funny. Since there's unlikely to be a huge string of presidents, it might be worthwhile to just manually create wikiboxes at the bottom that LOOK like the succession box, and copy and paste should the need arise to pass the torch. --Steelviper 18:20, 31 January 2006 (EST)

I really don't see the need to make any succession templates. (Or for a succession box at all, to be honest.) It's not like we know each president that came before Adar anyway. -- Joe Beaudoin 18:26, 31 January 2006 (EST)

Well, this is one of those "for the sake of fun" things: it makes the article look all shiny and "official"..."Just like a real-life President's article on Wikipedia!" hahah, etc. etc. --Ricimer 18:36, 31 January 2006 (EST)

Um, we need at least two people to have a succesion box. <-- Where is that in the Standards Pages? I put it there because it was a known fact that she was the secertary of education before she was the President. As Peter once told me, be sure to discuss your reasons for removing a change after someone made an edit. --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 00:00, 26 March 2006 (CST)

Shane..."be sure to discuss your reasons"...er, you just quoted the reasons which I gave...in the reasons summary box...very clearly. No, succession boxes have nothing to do with previous jobs or assignments. No, it's not really justified to have a succession box if we have only one person, not even two. I am going to go to Standards and Conventions and make this clear. --The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 00:11, 26 March 2006 (CST)

I'd say it's okay to have an unfilled succession box where it helps to illustrate the career of a particularly character - that is, if they have completed succsession boxes, they could also have unfilled ones as appropriate (thus, for example, we can see Baltar's progression from Caprican delegate to VP to President without needing to know who preceded or succeeded him as the caprican delegate). --Peter Farago 09:42, 26 March 2006 (CST)

Any additions to the S&C need to be discussed prior to their addition to the S&C page itself. Additionally, I don't see the problem in adding the succession box for Roslin's being secretary of education; it is a valid cabinet-level position worthy of a succession box. -- Joe Beaudoin 19:51, 26 March 2006 (CST)

Deceased vs †

In the character templates, rather than using KIA or Deceased, should we switch to the cross? It's succinct, efficient, and I like the way it looks on the battle pages. I had thought about migrating it over to the TOS character data templates, but this was a good opportunity to bring it up --Steelviper 15:14, 10 February 2006 (EST)

First, readers might not understand that at first glance. Second, "KIA" still seems fitting for military personnel. Possibly † could be used for non-military civilians (no KIA), but I really think it would cause more confusion than good. --The Merovingian 15:26, 10 February 2006 (EST)

Also, shouldn't we be using a Greek symbol of death, as opposed to a Christian one? :P --Redwall 19:54, 10 February 2006 (EST)

I actually got the symbol off of Wikipedia's Battle Pages. Like for Admiral Horation Nelson at the Battle of Trafalgar. So if it's Wikipedia's convention to use it (they even use it for Roman battles taking place before the Christian era), then I guess it is our policy too. --The Merovingian 19:55, 10 February 2006 (EST)

I like the cross. Sure, the colonials don't have access to christian symbology, but this isn't supposed to be an "in-universe" document, and the meaning is transparent to the reader (and succinct). --Peter Farago 22:58, 10 February 2006 (EST)

Homeworld

The last episode seems to indicate she's from Geminon (Zarek: "You'd be surprised how many people want the cool assurances of a scientist as opposed to the religious madness of the Geminese"). Kuralyov 15:00, 21 February 2006 (EST)

I think Zarek was referring to how the Gemenese were railroading public opinion by supporting Roslin-as-Prophet. Its an allegory to how politicians in modern times pander to the religious and how the religious in return strong-arm the politicians. A good case in point of this is seen in The Captain's Hand with Sara Porter demanding Roslin outlaw abortions or she'll make sure she loses Gemenon's vote in the election. If anything at all the series seems to be hinting that she's from Caprica but just hasn't come out and said it yet. -- Kahran 17:32, 21 February 2006 (EST)

I agree with Kahran. --Peter Farago 19:27, 21 February 2006 (EST)

Didn't she serve under Adar when he was mayor (on Caprica)? --Redwall 19:35, 21 February 2006 (EST)

No. They were just explaining how the Gemonon population sees her as a prophet (see "Fragged") and thus really supports her. She served with Adar even when he was Mayor, which has led us to assume based on the evidence that she is from Caprica (of course, they have never flat out said this, and they could say she's from someplace else later without contradicting themselves, but it's our running assumption). --The Merovingian 00:53, 22 February 2006 (EST)

We know she served under Adar in the mayor's office, but our only confirmation that Adar was Mayor of Caprica City is from the less-than unofficial SkyOne blurbs. --Peter Farago 02:57, 22 February 2006 (EST)

used to refer to military personnel who are confirmed deceased during a military engagement, see: KIA ^{(TRS: "Sacrifice")}