Talk:Six of One/Archive 1

Casting Head Baltar?!?

[1] Why would they be casting "Head Baltar"? The only reason I can think of is that James Callis has finally grown so much facial hair he can't just shave and regrow as he used to. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 14:53, 13 June 2007 (CDT)

That's probably why. I have a feeling that Baltar is going to be a bit of a "religious" personage, he'll probably be sporting quite the growth. See Beard of Organized Labor for a bit of beard background. :) JubalHarshaw 15:01, 13 June 2007 (CDT)

Age is also a possibility, but I'll wait until more information is known, before I engage in speculation about this. --Serenity 15:02, 13 June 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, virtual Baltar could appear to Six as a child or an old man. -- Gordon Ecker 20:00, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

They probably casted a stand in. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 02:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Seven of Nine

It seems like the name for this episode "Six of One" is a reference to the Star Trek: Voyager character Seven of Nine (another TV show that RMD had a hand in). On a personal note: I think that the name "Six of One" is about how Caprica Six will find true individuality, outside of the Cylon "Collective", or at least acceptance among the Galactica crew (like Athena). Any thoughts? Mishakal 00:20, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

As noted on the page, the full idiom is "Six of one, half dozen of the other". The Cylons don't have that much similarities with the Borg and limited shared memories at most. --Serenity 01:14, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

True but it could also be an "easter egg" for the fans (like me) that have way to much time on their hands. Mishakal 01:35, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

There's also six known Cylons in the colonial fleet, and six unboxed Cylon models in the Cylon fleet. -- Gordon Ecker 20:00, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

What if they add a 13th Cylon to the mix? Just to throw us even more off than the whole "Saul is a Cylon". Mishakal 21:36, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

There isn't any reason why there can't be another recently created Cylon model, but that falls under fanwanking rather than plausible speculation. -- Gordon Ecker 22:45, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

I think its obviously based from the saying "Six of one, half dozen of the other". I think that fitting a Trek reference into this is stretching it a bit, I don't think its got anything to do with 7 of 9. --Mercifull ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 03:12, 6 September 2007 (CDT)

Prisoner reference?

Given that Six's name is inspired by that very show, it seems it wouldn't be wholly off to say this might well be another reference. Anyone agree or disagree? DrWho42 23:35, 5 September 2007 (CDT)

• I'd be inclined to agree, but it might be best to leave it out unless the screenwriters say it was a reference, or the aired episode has more obvious Prisoner references (people saying "be seeing you", killer balloons, etc.) —Silly Dan _(talk) 11:56, 17 February 2008 (CST)

six of (the) one

If Baltar is really "the chosen one", Six Of One may be referring to his relationship and/or visions of Caprica Six. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xlynx (talk • contribs).

The Big Dee

Was that "getting the house" line from Lee an indication of a more permanent split between him and Dee? Or am I reading too much into it? --Steelviper 23:36, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Not sure, but the split seems kinda permanent now. And going back to Season 3, Dee entered the marriage fully aware that it might not last long, but is happy to be in it while it does. -- Serenity 23:42, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

From the comments made in this episode, the split seems permanent. (Thank the Gods!) It is interesting that while Lee didn't have the balls to terminate the relationship, she did... But she knew that the relationship would've ended someday, so she was prepared for that possibility. I really, truthfully hope this means we'll get to see less of her this season, but given some of the comments about Dee having a "dark side" that'll come out this year, I sadly doubt it. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 02:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I prefer that he made some effort to keep their relationship going in "Taking a Break...". Sure, Dualla is right, and the marriage was never a thing that could last for a long time, but Adama just dropping her when it isn't convenient anymore isn't any way to show "balls". This way he he shows some commitment, despite sleeping around with Thrace, and the whole thing ended on better terms. -- Serenity 11:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Questions

A few of the entries in the questions section seem dubious.

"Why do the Raiders not want to destroy the Final Five, yet Number Ones, Fours and Fives do?"

IMO the answer is that Raiders don't have the intelligence or motivation to overcome their instincts / programming not to harm Cylons.

"Will Tory Foster fall under Baltar's spell?"

She was crying in shame and disgust, so I don't consider this plausible.

"Why was Foster crying during intercourse with Baltar?"

I think this question should be removed. In act 1, when Tigh suggested that Tori seduce Baltar, Tori was disgusted by the prospect, however she decided to go thorugh with the plan despite her revulsion. -- Gordon Ecker 23:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Having seen her with Anders, we definitely know the "always cries" line was bogus. --Steelviper 00:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree about the tears, but she seems to overcome that initial revulsion a bit, and even get into it at the end. Yes, the tears are probably from her disgust at the start, but that really changes and she even urges Baltar to continue and kisses him, instead of just leaving. And during the conversation, she seems to be captivated a bit by Baltar talking about music, before she leaves. The questions should be replaced by an analysis item or two exploring that. That's really more helpful and interesting than superficial questions. -- Serenity 00:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I've changed the first question, because the Ones, Fours, and Fives don't say that they want to destroy the Final Five. The others seem fair, as Tory seemed to be listening to Baltar. -- Noneofyourbusiness 00:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

If "fall under Baltar's spell" means "become another Baltar groupie", I think it's out of the question. If "fall under Baltar's spell" means "gradually become sympathetic to Baltar", it's plausible, but I think it should be rephrased. -- Gordon Ecker 02:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll have to disagree, Gordon. There's more to Tory's crying than simple revulsion, although that's the feeling she had initially when Tigh proposed that she get close to Baltar. However with his mesmerizing bravo sierra about "music", his belief that Cylons are people, and that she doesn't quite know what to make of her "Cylon-ness", I have a feeling that she'll enter his cult, particularly since Roslin has one foot in the grave. Should be interesting how everything goes down, and I think we'll see more the next episode, given that Tory does something seriously bad ass for once. Bye, bye bitch. :D -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 02:11, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Joe's spot on. Baltar's never had any problems with the ladies, especially Cylon ladies. Also, Joe's analysis of the crying is right on (This is referenced in Grey's Anatomy, the TV show, of all places. I suppose I must admit I watch it; Chler Leigh is hot, and it also makes a great common ground conversation point for older women :) ) ... where was I? Yeah, anyway. JubalHarshaw 03:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I think the real question is why she decided to have sex with him. As for "falling under his spell", I think she could fall in with his cult, but I don't think she's capable of idolizing him like they do. -- Gordon Ecker 09:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

It wouldn't surprise me if she pulled some form of Gina on the cult. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 15:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

"Pull a Gina" like she did with Demand Peace or "pull a Gina" like she did with the Cloud 9? -- Gordon Ecker 01:02, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Either one. Emotionally, Tory is in just the same place as Gina... except how they got there differed. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 01:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

The latter possibility seems a bit extreme at first glance, but everyone he sleeps with seems to go crazy, die or both soon after, so the law of narrative causality says she's a ticking time bomb, hopefully she won't be able to get her hands on any warheads. -- Gordon Ecker 02:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

First of all, Tigh didn't suggest that she sleeps with Baltar. This should be corrected in the article. He said "You don't have to get on your back for him". She could have just flirted and strung him along until she found if he knows something. Second, she really didn't have to sleep with Baltar, especially since he was talking anyway, without much prompting from her. And what does she do after his melody speech? Instead of staying and trying to find out more, she runs away, visibly shaken by what he said. And then she jumps in bed with him right afterwards?! If she were that repulsed by the idea of sleeping with him, why did she do it? Sorry, guys, but since their conversation, she didn't seem repusled by him, this is only your wishful thinking, I'm afraid. She was clearly touched by his words... it looks to me like Baltar might have just converted her, or at least started to, to monotheism...she may be the first of the Four to accept her Cylon nature. Third, how is Tory "in the same place" as Gina?! Please explain! I don't see any similarity?! FrakkinToasterLover

You can just change such small things yourself. Just some words here and there. I just did that :) I think the analysis item covers the uncertain nature of Foster's action well enough (it's different from some of the posts here). It mentions that she is captivated by Baltar's words and sleeps with him despite her revulsion. Furthermore it states that the cause of her crying, as well as how far Baltar has charmed her, are somewhat unclear. How that develops remains to be seen and will be analyzed in the next episode guide(s) then.-- Serenity 11:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I think the most dubious question is what will happen to the fleet's sewage. Does nobody else think this is just pathetic? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MiAd (talk • contribs).

Just like many of the overly technical and trivial questions. But we can hardly go around and remove everything we don't like, so only the really stupid stuff gets removed. -- Serenity 14:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, we know that Galactica is capable of nearly 100% water replenishment. One would assume that the Bucket's own waste management system supplements that system... The ones that'd really need this ship are the other civvie ships, which aren't capable of long-term sewage. Further, the ship is reported to be submarine like, and thus small... which makes it easily expendable, since it doesn't have the living space to support the Fleet's citizens.

Besides, they could always rip a page or three from the Empire's handbook and just jettison their junk before they jump to lightspeed. :D -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 15:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

The question "Is the Eight dancing in front of Cavil Sharon Valerii? Does this signify anything?" is unimportant/answered. A dancing/training Eight appeared in "Torn" already, and the reason why Cavil watches is that she is nude. Baltar in "Torn" was more polite ;-) --Akagi 21:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Given the later developments of the episode, the logical inference is that we're seeing a Cavil petitioning Boomer for her vote. --April Arcus 01:44, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

That and they may have a relationship. -- Noneofyourbusiness 02:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

That's completely absurd. We know that Eights are inclined to non-sexualized nudity (Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II, Torn, and have absolutely no other reason to make such an inference. --April Arcus 02:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

The episode has a few possible hints of something going on between the One and Boomer. It's ambiguous, particularly because she's an Eight, however I think that the scene at least foreshadows Boomer siding with the Ones. -- Gordon Ecker 04:54, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Foreshadowing FTW. Wow. --Steelviper 12:32, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

This one: "With the Demetrius leaving under Starbuck's command, how will the Fleet's sewage be dealt with?"... The main question is, do we really care? What are the chances the writers are going to devote screentime to the dramatic tensions of sewage processing? OTW 21:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

True, of course, but by the same logic we would have to remove about half the questions in most articles, because they will never be addressed or answered either. While not a small number of questions are indeed trivial and even groan inducing, there are some good rhetorical ones that just serve to get one to think about something. (not including this one :p) However, in general, I'm not a fan of how the question section is often used to ask about seemingly most minor and irrelevant things. -- Serenity 21:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

"Admiral Atheus"?

I could've sworn she said "Admiral Atheist", not "Atheus". Anyone care to confirm? -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 20:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Mhhh, could be, although I can't really hear the "t" at the end. "Atheus" would fit too, but despite the ancient Greek influences in the show, it's a very obscure reference. So "atheist" is more logical. -- Serenity 21:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking. Frankly, I feel she just didn't enunciate when she was speaking... -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 21:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it I misread something. "Atheus" is not a name, but it's simply greek for "atheist". Probably even the root of the modern word. -- Serenity 21:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Atheus is actually how us southerners pronounce atheist ;-) -- FrankieG 15:27, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Helo might not be going with Thrace on the Demetrius

From the dialogue:

Adama: Helo handpicked a crew for you. I'm giving you a ship. Hope you can stand the smell.

Agathon: We liberated the Demetrius. It's a sewage recycling ship. Party line will be that we're going on a scouting mission, looking for food.

When Helo says "we", he could be referring to the Fleet's military command sending them out, and not "we" as in Kara and him. And Helo is CAG, he is needed on Galactica and too visible to be sent out on a "maybe Kara is right" sideshow mission. We'll see soon enough ...-- Fredmdbud 04:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

If you wish to be spoiled, look at the pics in The Road Less Travelled for the answer. However, you will probably get a much better response for this type of discussion at Battlestar Forum. -- FrankieG 15:25, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Lee's Toasts

These are quite close to the real world traditional naval toasts - This along with Helo's providing a special box of glasses to carry them out suggests to me that the drinking of these might be a common ritual for departing officers. Not sure if it's worth chucking in the article somewhere but it's here for now.

Naval Toasts (RN)

Sunday ............... Absent friends. - Used Directly

Monday ...............Our ships at sea. - "Galactica"

Tuesday .............. Our men. - "The Men and Women of Galactica"

Wednesday ..........Ourselves (as no one else is likely to concern themselves with our welfare). - "The Admiral...etc"

Thursday ............. A bloody war or a sickly season.

Friday ..................A willing foe and sea room.

Saturday ............. Sweethearts and wives (may they never meet). - used more or less directly.

Grible 10:57, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Possible Error?

Natalie's shock about Boomer joining the Ones, Fours and Fives about the reconfiguration of the raiders surprised me as was it not her own model that had this same assurance on New Caprica when Caprica Six did not agree with the other Sixes (along with the other Cylons), about using harsher measures. Error in writing perhaps? -- Centurion 16:04, 18 April 2008 (GMT)

I think the difference is that Caprica didn't vote against her model, she just didn't agree. -- Noneofyourbusiness 15:19, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Noneofyourbusiness beat me to it... But, anyway, Caprica Six doesn't vehemently object to much of anything that happens on New Caprica after a while. She never voted against her model line, although she doesn't necessarily agree with what's happening on New Caprica... since there was never a schism in Cylon society like you've seen in this episode. Even on New Caprica, the Cylons were pretty much acting as a whole unit, and Caprica Six voting against her own model would have only put her further at odds in Cylon society. Plus it would not have mattered, since she would've been outvoted anyway. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 15:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, back on New Caprica, there were still seven models, so it was impossible for an individual Cylon to swing the vote. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 18:15, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Actual Air Force Rank

I'm not sure if this is worth mentioning, but in Lee's "retirement" scene when he is standing beside his father in the pilot rec area, there is a shadow box behind them that has the E-2 and E-5 Air Force ranks in it. Maybe this was a shout out to the original show? Cjs0216 15:36, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, the set dec folk used a lot of military patches and other emblems throughout the show, particularly for background pieces such as the shadowboxes. It's worth mentioning, but I'm not sure where exactly. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate} 19:07, 14 April 2011 (UTC)