Talk:Escape Velocity/Archive 1

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The Lord of Kobol reference

During the service by Chief Tyrol he utters the like "...and the Lords of Kobol, as many and as varied as mortal men..."

Could this be taken literally, and suggest some new connection between the Colonials and the Lords of Kobol? It feels like the sort of cryptic clue the writes would drop in.

12 Colonies, 12 Cylon models, and perhaps 12 Gods? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DarthS (talk • contribs).

The bajillionth time, nobody has ever said there are only 12 Lords of Kobol. There are 12 Olympians in greek mythology, but that doesn't even include some of the most prominent deities, such as Poseidon or Hades. --Peter Farago 21:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Poseidon is one of them, but not Hades, who belongs to a group of deities and figures associated with the underworld. But the Greeks did not just worship the Olympians. The Colonials don't have to either, in regards to the Lords of Kobol. But yeah, there is a general consensus of who the Olympians are, but that changed with time and region. Different cities and regions sometimes worshiped different gods -- Serenity 21:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Analysis re. Adama's book reading

I noticed there was a comment on the Analysis section about Adama reciting the passage, even though he said they were to the part he hadn't read before. Actually, he states that they are getting to the part he hasn't passed before, so they hadn't actually reached it yet, so if anything, these would be the parts he would remember the most, since it would be where he always stops after.

If anything, it seems like some double-symbolism could be read in to the fact that he would always stop reading after that particular passage...

(I don't know how to edit the page itself, or even if it's appropriate to, hence why I wanted to comment here instead).

MathewBurrack 19:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's how I saw it too. He doesn't say that he hasn't read that particular bit yet. As for editing the page, just click on "edit" at the top, next to "discussion" which you presumably used to get here. And don't be afraid of making changes, as they can be easily undone if something goes wrong. Though it's a good idea to discuss potentially contentious issues and big changes first, this a relatively minor thing. -- Serenity 21:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Virtual Six

Before posting analysis or question, did Virtual Six finally exhibited an actual physical manifestation when standing up Baltar in front of the guard? In the past, her effects could be explained away. Thoughts, opinions?-- FrankieG 20:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

It seems the most extreme so far, but we've seen apparently physical interaction between her and Baltar before. She has pushed him into mirrors or walls for example. Though his contortions are hard to pull of alone, it might not be impossible. They had to film it somehow and I guess Callis did it alone. -- Serenity 20:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

His feet actually came off the ground at one point while his body was still limp. I think he was being pulled up by wires. -- David cgc 05:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Huh? They never showed his feet, so there's no way of telling that. I think there would have been gasps of astonishment from everyone if he was actually levitating instead of just standing and walking funny. It's certainly possible to move like that by yourself, I've tried. Really, I don't see what the big deal about this is. This isn't any different from Six shoving him into a wall or even grabbing his tie. If you need an idea for how an "imaginary friend" could do this kind of thing, check out the parking garage fight in Fight Club, where Tyler drags the narrator around, throws him down stairs, etc. INH 13:45, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Uncredited actors

At least two actors with speaking parts are uncredited. One is the leader of Sons of Eris (although he does look a bit similar to the Marine guard to me - can anyone confirm or deny?) and "Mr. Officious" (nicknamed so by Baltar), the guy who investigates the scene of the assault. Ausir 22:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

You mean the Sons of Ares right? -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 22:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Sure, too much Principia Discordia. :) Anyway, the question still stands. Ausir 23:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I updated the entry with the name of the actor who plays the leader of the raid. "Mr. Officious" is a non-speaking extra. They later looped his line through the loop group so there's no actor credited. -- Mmm...toasty 17:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Mr. Officious looks like the leader of the sons of ares to me. That my two cents--KDP3 03:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't be surprising... The Sons of Ares did know military protocols, and knew they had two minutes to grab Baltar before there would be some kind of military response. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 03:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, User:Mmmm... toasty has proven that the Ares leader and "Mr. Officious" are two different people. Plus the actors look different. So, I guess not. (Of course, this doesn't mean that Mr. Officious was of the Sons of Ares, or merely hated Baltar's guts.) -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 18:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

"Offshoot Religions" comment

During the Quorum meeting, one of the delegates mentions that the laws against Baltar's group assembling could also be applied to other minority religions, noting especially that Baltar's teachings seemed similar to that of the "Mithras Followers", a real-world religion which was contemporaneous with, and a rival of, early christianity. The existence of another Colonial religion taken from our history and apparently not centered on the Lords of Kobol or the Cylon God may be another clue about how the Colonials fit in with Earth. -- David cgc 05:19, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Delany Stadium

In the scene where Adama sits with Tyrol at Joe's bar, there seems to be a poster for "Delan(e)y Stadium" behind Adama. Anyone else noticed that?--DrWho42 18:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

My...erm copy isn't of high enough quality to really read it, but now that you point it out. Maybe a reference to Dana Delany (though it seems to be written as "Delaney")? -- Serenity 18:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I can't really make out what the poster says on Hulu, but I'm guessing it has to do with Pyramid.--DrWho42 19:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Summary

People can work on adding summaries of Acts 1 through 4 to the page... :) -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 05:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Name of Petty Officer

Can anyone confirm the name of the Petty Officer that Adama orders Tyrol to report to after their very public argument? I think it's "Basim", but I'm not to sure. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 18:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Yep, Basim. -- Serenity 18:12, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup

We need to look at this and other season 4 episode guides. Their analysis sections seem anything but neutrally worded and have too much speculative information. My feeling is that analysis sections develop over time as successive episodes complete the interpretation or information. There's some fanwank in this that I'd like to revise when time permits. I know these S4 eps are juicy views, but it looks a little overboard. Also, indented subanalyses are just as bad as intended questions that make the article self-argumentative. --Spencerian 18:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I was going to go through them yesterday and rework the analysis sections, but I don't have the time to do that right now. Anyone who wants to take a crack at it is welcome to do so! :) -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 18:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

As an aforementioned guilty party, I agree completely. I think that it would help all to go back and read Season One's guides. There are times that one must leave out "good stuff" for the sake of concision.

-- FrankieG 18:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Original Series definition: a title of nobility (e.g. Lord Baltar)