User talk:The Merovingian

Why is a raven like a writing desk?

Regarding your RfA[edit]

Hi Ricimer, while your RfA did not pass, I firmly and wholeheartedly believe that you are fully capable of passing the RfA, should it come up again within, say, six months. If you have any concerns, feel free to address them with Peter, myself, or any of the other major contributors. Have a happy New Year! -- Joe Beaudoin 12:31, 30 December 2005 (EST)

I have yet to play my trump card. --Ricimer 12:32, 30 December 2005 (EST)

Should I be afraid? *wink* --Day 20:21, 31 December 2005 (EST)

Battle Template[edit]

You're the guy who came up with this, right? Do you think that a) the thing could be made into an actual template (like the Character Data one with dissappearing/reappearing fields, etc) and b) it could be re-designed to look like the Character Data one (in terms of looking like the rest of the theme (the red/black is the default theme, isn't it?)? I don't know how these two things would be accomplished, but I thought I'd put this out there and see what you thought as far as feasability and also as far as should we do it. --Day 17:00, 18 January 2006 (EST)

User name change[edit]

Just letting you know that I changed your name from Ricimer to The Merovingian. Let me know if you encounter any issues, not that I'm expecting any but just in case Murphy's Law decides to come and play. -- Joe Beaudoin 23:19, 7 February 2006 (EST)

Also on this topic: You should probably update the first sentence of your User page to reflect the name change. If you want, I could probably get a decent screen-grab of the identically named character from the Matrix. Unfortunately, I don't have a DVD from which to grab pictures that stars any of the folks who founded Paris. --Day 01:24, 8 February 2006 (EST)

Yes, actually, that would help immensly. I need one of The Merovingian when he's in Club Hel, standing at the balcony looking imperiously down at Neo. A shot that shows his whole body instead of a closeup would be preferred. --The Merovingian 02:13, 8 February 2006 (EST)

You should watch "Revolutions" again. Merv isn't peering down at Neo but at Morpheus, Trinity, and Seraph (Neo never visits Club Hel in the movie series, although the Path of Neo video game takes him there while the Club is closed). I'll also try to get a screencap for you if time allows. My Matrix knowledge may be better than my BSG knowledge (note witty, illustrated user page; I've been almost tempted to change my user name to something more appropriate... ;) By the way, I like your revised user page. Merv is one of those characters whose deserved more exploration on the same level as the Oracle and the Architect. --Spencerian 10:45, 8 February 2006 (EST)

"Neo" just came out; I was thinking Seraph & Co., just typed the wrong thing. (That little Judas! I'm going to have him killed and buried in a shallow grave, then dig him up and kill him again...That's the beauty of a shallow grave!) --The Merovingian 16:52, 8 February 2006 (EST)

I actually took a philosphy class and my choice for a paper was on The Matrix. Basically, I've made several of the more...insightful speculations about The Merovingian on his Wikipdia article. You see, Morpheus and Neo represent Socrates: wanting to get out of "The Cave" to the real world beyond, etc. However, I believe (and I'm the only person I know of who's thought of this; I didn't read it anywhere, but thought it up after reading Leviathan) that The Merovingian is the embodiment of Thomas Hobbes in The Matrix. He spouts off Hobbesian thought all of the time. Hobbes said that "choice is an illusion" that the only constant is "cause and effect", and that the best thing we can do with our lives is kind of movie along with the flow of causality in such a way that we enjoy all of the *physical, transient* pleasures that we can, while we can. Live a life of comfornt and luxury, etc. The Merovingian *lives out* this ideal: He's living in complete luxury, like at Le Vrai, the Chateau, Club Hel (and he has affairds with women all the time, etc), he wields a great deal of physical power...yet recognizes that it's all just "a game" devoid of purpose; it's transient, etc. He's stopped seeing any higher meaning in anything. --->Hobbes was a big critic of Socrates, and his philosophy was the polar opposte of Socrates' thought. In the same way, The Merovingian opposes Neo and Morpheus' philoshpy of getting out of the Matrix.

I hold with the theory that he's a former One, that got his brain pattern scanned into a computer to outlive the death of his body. But he got so disillusioned with all of the lies and how the quest for freedom was just a reset button, that he turned against all of this and became the master of the Exiles, living the complete opposite of all of this (note; he really hates the Oracle, and views everything Neo says about her with extreme sarcasm). Plus, the initials "LV" on the walls of "Le Vrai" are Roman numerals for "LV" = 55. Now, we've already seen 303= Trinity, 101= Neo. So there's something about The Merovingian and the number "5". On top of this, when we first meet him there are 5 glasses set out in front of him (and Persephone, his Trinity-analog, has 3 chocolates on her plate). --->There have been 5 "Ones" before Neo. I think the Merovingian is the first "One". --The Merovingian 17:01, 8 February 2006 (EST)

Yeah, that theory and his Hobbes relationship (I think--it may be in a book I read) is on the Wikipedia article. I edited the article in dispute of Merv being a past One. It all comes down to some logic points. Why does he hate the Oracle so much? Because she succeeded where he failed. She stabilized the Matrix by adding true choice, where Merv was likely tapped by the Architect earlier to program basic cause-effect subroutines in the Matrix code as well as manage the root-programs in Matrix-beta-2 that could be used to help with these changes (these programs he now holds for his own purposes). The Architect realized the utopian flaw in beta-1 and thought that simple cause-effect (combined with the root-programs--the monsters of myth) would be sufficient to convince the human minds. He was wrong, of course. Remember that the Merovingian is big on cause-effect, and the Oracle states that he is one the oldest of them all, which makes his human origin very unlikely as the machines by then were fully distrustful of humanity and saw itself as a steward, not bothering to hear out humanity anymore than we would listen to the needs of an ant. The One is purely human; if the Merovingian were a "One", he would have been generated within beta-2, and, as a result, would not be like the Ones that base their power from true choice (particularly the power to disbelieve what they see and act otherwise). To add to that: Merv could also be very mad at the Oracle because, in the Oracle's version of the Matrix, any powers he may have had in beta-2 are practically non-existent. (You gave me a new take the character now from that...hmm.) Oh, and "La Vrai" means, "The Truth", which is just Merv's way of protesting of what's around him..vulgarities of "choice". Only in his establishments, by the name implication, will the populace understand the "truth" about what is illusion to him (choice) and real (cause and effect).

I wrote a paper about the origin of the One (with a bit on Merv) for a SF convention that will BLOW. YOUR. MIND. If you like, I'd be happy to send you a PDF of it. I've not published this as yet, so it's a unique read that incorporates the above. --Spencerian 17:29, 8 February 2006 (EST)

I would like to BLOW. MY. MIND. as well... the preceeding, signed comment and small recommendation that Spence forward me a copy of his insightful paper on Merv was made by Joe Beaudoin on 17:47, 8 February 2006 (EST) :-)

Actually, Spence... Could you just, maybe, copy it to User:Spencerian/Matrix or something? It might save you from forwarding it to a billion people. If you don't like that idea, then put me on your forwarding list. --Day 00:19, 9 February 2006 (EST)

There, I must disagree with you. The Merovingian is not "the oldest of us" but "one of the oldest of us", which would still fit my interpretation. Further, in Leviathan Hobbes goes on a tangent where he says that because everything in life is "cause and effect", logically, we should in theory be able to predict the future, because life has no external factors (god, random choice, etc. Fate/causality rules all). But he adds that in practice, this is impossible, simply because there are so many variants that the human mind cannot grasp at once--->it reminds me of discussions of psychohistory in "Prelude to Foundation"; hen Hari Seldon originally presented his first paper theorizing that psychohistory was possible, he explained that he did not yet have a working model because his paper essentially just proved that you could actually analyze all of the "antecedants" of life in a computer model. I.e. if the universe is so compex that the only functional "model" of it is something as big and complicated as the universe itself, such a model is useless. However, he said that you could actually make a model smaller than the universe itself..

Well, the point is that according to The Merovingian's own Hobbesian principles, he is in a possition SIMULTANEOUSLY A) He believes the world to be governed by nothing but causality, and therefore, he should be able to predict the future, but B) THE VERY SAME principles that idea is based on also state that predicting the future is Practically impossible. This might get a little annoying to him. --->So then there's The Oracle, who CAN predict the future, while he cannot (though in theory, he should). Therefore, this adds another level of hate for her, and he wants the "eyes of the Oracle" (which he's "Wanted ever since I came here) because he's jealous. And who's to say the Machines would not want to tap the talen of the "grotesque" human mind in designing/running a more human world (beta-2)? I digress. P.S. Don't get me started on MXO's Agent Pace...--The Merovingian 18:13, 8 February 2006 (EST)

Yes, Merv is one of the oldest, not the oldest. Merv was only half-right, which is why his Matrix worked only halfway. Predicting the future is not impossible if the events in the world work like a computer program does. He wanted to predict things logically--but, with choice involved, prediction becomes far less logical or predictable. When people in his Matrix version realized they, too, could guess the logical cause and effect, they lost believablity in their Matrix. The Oracle's Matrix has no such problem for the most part. Hey, you haven't an email address to send you my paper (Joe just got a copy). You can send me your address privately to my email if you care not to post it publicly. --Spencerian 19:57, 8 February 2006 (EST)

Tangent: I once tried to start up a Matrix-themed MUSH which was to be placed in an unspecified previous iteration of the Matrix, only a few years after the death of the One that started the thing. We had some lengthy debates about how to implement the Oracle or make any sort of assertions that would A) be specific enough so as to be cool when they came true but, b) be vague enough so as to be possible in a roleplaying environment that included, well, choice. Eventually, though, all the staffers got busy doing other things. *wink* --Day 00:19, 9 February 2006 (EST)

Merovingian, eh? I must say I like it, much preferable to Ricimer - and I'm not a troll. Jzanjani 02:33, 21 February 2006 (EST)

Prove it. --The Merovingian 03:02, 21 February 2006 (EST)

A Revelation I've Had[edit]

[AgentSmith]Let me share a revelation I've had [/Agentsmith]. In case you are new, most here are of the consensus that my attitude towards edits is overall blunt/brusk, not "polite", etc. (it's just letters on a screen, so I just never gauged "politeness" much; not that I make personal attacks, just that I "cut through it" and say what I'm thinkin'). Anyway, Day summarized some of this pretty well on Talk:Perry when he said just now: "your jumping off the cuff with aggressive language at people who simply disagree with you. It may be a matter that would be handled by inflection, were you interacting in real life, but you should realize that when you're dealing with text only, you have only very gross control over inflection: normal, bold and italics. And they can be construed as meaning many things. As a side note, I've noticed you like to use bold and such a lot and so, sometimes, you do combinations or all-caps or asterisks for further emphasis. I mean this in only an entirely constructive way, but... I have no idea how to interpret those passages except as very loud, so they're more confuysing to me, personally, than helpful.". Well, I think I've finally realized what the crux of the problem was:

Loss of essence. A profound sense of fatiuge, a feeling of emptiness...caused by terrorists trying to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids, through water fluoridation. It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core terrorist works. He hold no value for human life, not even his own. Well, I can no longer sit back and allow terrorist infiltration, terrorist indoctrination, terrorist subversion and the international terrorist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.--->Hahaha, sorry. I can never resist a good plug for the old Dr. Strangelove routine.

But I digress.

No, seriously. I finally realized what the crux of all of this friction has been: As you know, I am a prolific poster on the official messageboard. I think the problem is, I've been posting on BattlestarWiki as if it were a messageboard. You see, messageboards aren't as formal and a lot of, well, yelling, arguing as part of debate, etc., is actually the norm there. Further, when it comes to my overuse of **inflection** ....I'm just *used* to typing that way because that's how you highlight and emphasize stuff on messageboard posts (it's sort of how you make up for not being able to see visible social cues, etc.) Also--->Posts on messageboards can sometimes fill an entire Microsoft word single-spaced document page. They can get really long. So you've really got to highlight the beginning of every new idea or paragraph like that to make your point, etc.

But on the whole, it's just a different atmosphere, more "pack-mentality" to establish dominance through a show of force (GREAT Farscape joke about that one in the first episode of the fourth season...but I digress.), and a fanatical amount of information, etc.

I realize it took me a while, but I've finally come to the full realization that My Talk page posts, etc. seem kind of rough because I'm just typing like these are messageboard posts. (Messageboard posts disappared practially after 5 minutes, so you try to have as big an impact as possible, while here they just stay there for long periods, etc.)

So, I've realized that that's what's been going on, and I realize now (from experience) just how different a wiki is from that, so I will alter my tone accordingly. (Of course, I'll still highlight stuff that might seem important, but not go overboard). --The Merovingian 03:36, 10 February 2006 (EST)

Excellent! That's an angle I hadn't considered. The signal to noise ratio is definitely much higher here than at some other places. Heck, the fact that people were still discussing a question I asked around the first of December is an excellent demonstration between the way things happen around here and the official board. I hope you have begun to see that the people here value what you have to say/contribute (without the need to clamor to be heard above the din). --Steelviper 09:30, 10 February 2006 (EST)

That may be a very apt metaphor, SV. Reading Merv's posts is sometimes like listening to someone who thinks your in the other room, but really you're right behind them. Roughly, "Hey. I'm already listening, Dude." *wink* Anyway, I hope this is exactly the issue at, uh... issue, here. --Day 16:24, 10 February 2006 (EST)

Recent Rollback[edit]

Hey. I rolled back your last edit on Louanne Katraine because we don't use quotes with single episode citations enclosed in parentheses. So, if I wrote an episode name when discussing an episode in this sentence that talks about, say, "Scar", it doesn't look like a citation like this (Scar). For consistancy we do quotes within parentheses in a string of episodes cited, with the exception of the Miniseries name, which is not an episode name per se (Miniseries, "Scattered", "Fragged"). --Spencerian 17:19, 10 February 2006 (EST)

Yes, thank you. I was confused on this. --The Merovingian 17:22, 10 February 2006 (EST)

Template Categories[edit]

What are you looking for for the writers and directors? A navigation template? Or a category (I ran into Category:Directors after I created one)? I'd be glad to help, I just don't have a concept of what you're needing. --Steelviper 20:19, 10 February 2006 (EST)

When I write pages about Sharon, Number Six, etc. I write at the bootom "Category:Cylons" (with double brackets around it). I think we need a Category set for "Writers" and "Directors" (in place of "Cylons"). However, one or two episodes split the "Writers" credit between "Teleplay" and "Story by" (see official site episode guide). I just put "Story by" into "Story by" slots in the guide, and Writer for who wrote the Teleplay: Regardless, I think both Teleplay and Story writers should fall under the "Writers" category, and I will make note of which was which on their individual pages.

>Essentially, I realized we had no "At a Glance" method of seeing the past work of a writer or director. Essentially, I see that episode 3.12 is coming up, and I see "hmm, who is this? why, I'll click on his name and get a list of other episodes he's done.....oh no! He wrote the abysmal "Black Market"!...or..."Hmm, she wrote the wonderful "Resistance"...this should be interesting. I'm trying to make A) pages for all of the writers and directors, and B) lists on those individual pages of all the episodes they've worked on, so, logically--->C)We should have a more fully developed category system for "Writers" and "Diretors" (the rudiments of which are present on the main page, but which were never fully developed. I felt that now is a good a time as any.)--The Merovingian 20:33, 10 February 2006 (EST)

There's a directors category already, and a Category:Director: Michael Rymer, which is a subcategory of Michael Rymer. Thus if you tag an episode with Category:Director: Michael Rymer it should fall under the Michael Rymer category. The directors category would then just be a container for all those subcategories. So we just need a Category:Director: X where X is each director (and make sure that each of those has the category of Director, so that they show up as subcategories). We could then make a template, I guess, but since we're talking about just having to add one category tag at the bottom, I'm not sure it merits a template. I'll start up the Category:Writers, if you want, if you could list out which Directors and Writers we need to capture. We may want to consult with Farago on this, as he has a knack for categorization. --Steelviper 20:44, 10 February 2006 (EST)

Ah. There's already a Category:Writers as well. Looks like somebody planned ahead. It looks like we'd just need to make the subcategories then. --Steelviper 20:47, 10 February 2006 (EST)

Rollback[edit]

I rolled back your last edit on the Binary Star System article. "Battlestar" is not capitalized unless at the start of a sentence or when used in the show's name. The article referenced is Mercury class battlestar as shown and needed no capitalization. "Axis" to "column" (or spire) adds little to the edit, but it's a matter of taste there. --Spencerian 00:15, 19 February 2006 (EST)

Just to say[edit]

Merv, I just wanted to say that I think you've been putting an excellent face forward recently. Keep it up. --Peter Farago 20:23, 19 February 2006 (EST)

All is proceeding according to plan..--The Merovingian 21:07, 19 February 2006 (EST)

Colonial arm patches and insignia[edit]

No offence, but call yourself a Battlestar Galactica fan? Some Merovingian you are! you are an insult to both the name and the entire series of both past and present series of "Battlestar". If you want to recognise these images in my document, which took me the better part of my morning (and life): 1)Watch the entirerity of Battlestar Galactica(1978) and Battlestar Galactica(2003) for all of said patches on the uniforms. 2)LOOK on EBAY! If they are so wrong, why are they selling them? They are free pictures from a public site of official merchandise! The rank structure is off this site! I've been watching Battlestar Galactica since I could crawl when it was first aired!! You're just envious that I have done this amount of research in such a small space of time and used little devices called brain cells. My advice, before you engage your keyboard, open your eyes and watch the damn program(s)! Only one person has left neutral feedback and spotted things even I missed!! Fair play to him. Question) Why go to such lengths to put true fans of the program down? Answer) Envy. --Jetstorm316

I suggest you reconsider your statements with a calmer head, and learn that, as "Merv" has, politeness goes a long way. Also, never assume malevolence when incompetence remains a possibility. ;) --Redwall 16:47, 20 February 2006 (EST)

Thank you, Redwall, for defending me. There are several things you need pointed out which I believe your are unaware of Jetstorm316:

1) I am not the person that deleted all of the images which you added to "Colonial arm patches and insignia"; that was Administrator SteelViper, who did so on February 20th, at 14:23. Please check the History page to confirm this, if you must.

2) All I ever edited that you posted was on the Uniform page, and all I did was remove links to "Colonial arm patches", when it became apparent that

A) SteelViper had already deleted most of the images from this page.

B) As you can see now, Administrator Spencerian has already marked that page for deletion. All I have actually done is remove links to a page about to be deleted. I am not the one that deleted your images, or that is attempting to delete that page.

C) There were also some minor factual corrections to "Uniform"; First: No, black arm bands are not worn only by "military police"; all Marines seen wearing the khaki uniform have black armbands. Does this mean they're Marines or Non-Coms? I don't know. Seemed a minor point. Second, despite your..."amount of research", it is false to say that "there is a grey arm patch on the left shoulder"; in fact, it is grey shoulder patches which I was referring to, not a single armpatch; I have since edited the article to be more specific

(Only because I pointed it out in the first Place "Dick Tracy" - Jetstorn316).

Not really. I call those different colored patches "arm patches" because they're at the top of their arms; apparently you thought I was referring to a shoulder insignia, so I changed it to "shoulder patch" so you would not make this mistake in the future. You did not "point out" anything; "grey arm patch on left shoulder" (not both) is simply wrong. You didn't really....point out, much of anything.--The Merovingian 08:57, 21 February 2006 (EST)

3) Your only real complaint against me is that I corrected the "Uniform" page: Your claims to having paid close attention to Original Series BSG are actually irrelevant in this matter, because the "Uniform" page deals entirely with Re-Imagined Series material.

So please, if you have a complaint about your images being deleted, please bring it to Administrator SteelViper, who deleted them.

I would hasten to point out that E-Bay should not be considered a reliable source of information, to put it mildly. One of your patches for Re-Imagined Pegasus was blatantly wrong, as it stated "BSG 63" instead of "BSG 62": "My advice, before you engage your keyboard, open your eyes and watch the...program". I think more of these problems might exist in the other images. Please provide reliable sources for them, following the rules of our Battlestar Wiki Citation Crusade. --The Merovingian 20:12, 20 February 2006 (EST)

I concur, Merv. eBay is not a source sanctioned by the Citation Jihad. Just because something is sold there does not mean it is factual. Look at all the obviously wrong STar Trek stuff that sells on there. Or all the random, literally, trash that sells. Jetstorm, if you're reading this, we greatly prefer to use stills from the actual episodes for images when we can. If not, then we're much more likely to want drawn (whether by hand or electronically) images, rather than photos of fan-created props. What we would risk losing in accuracy from such fan-created works (artwork or, for instance, sewing) we'd gain in the ability to change some .psd on a regualr user's HD. It is quite bad form to flip out at someone for changing your edit to a page. It is quite bad form to do so at the wrong person. --Day 00:05, 21 February 2006 (EST)

And which....program were you watching? Matrix or BSG? Did you pick the wrong one up from Blockbusters?

Yes, I Conceed the "BSG 62 point", as at the time of manufacture (look, research!), the manufacturer was under the assumption that it was "BSG 63". Small error, but what can we do? I do not claim to be perfect, nor assume I'm right. I've always got something new to learn.

"What you can do" is pay attention. You just made a long tirade, berating me because you felt YOU paid "much more attention" to the series, when in fact actually watching the episodes, but more to the point, BOTHERING TO USE BATTLESTARWIKI's PEGASUS ARTICLE, would have alerted you do this error. Define "irony".--The Merovingian 09:00, 21 February 2006 (EST)

Steelviper did contact me in regards to the images, and at the time I had trouble previewing them even though I uploaded them first, that is why there were duplicates. Clerical error. But at least he was man enough to tell me, via email!

You do not understand how this works: according to our Standards and Conventions, the official way we alert each other of these problems is by posting on BattlestarWiki talk pages, not outside e-mail. Perhaps you are referring to the fact that SteelViper left a message on your own Talk page; this isn't called "e-mail". Moreover, I also left a message there, which included a link to the discussion on THIS page; it is considered rude/redundant to just repeat the same discussion on two sets of Talk pages; instead, it is best to leave links to the primary discussion from the other Talk pages, etc. etc. which is exactly what I did.--The Merovingian 09:03, 21 February 2006 (EST)

But you are wrong on the rest of the discussion, "MERV".

Military Police or security personnel ARE the only people who wear black armbands. Starbuck, Cally, Dualla nor Tyrol wear one! It is my guess that this is to seperate crew from Millitary law personnel in times of incursion or juditial period. The Khaki may be a universal uniform(off duty, planet ops, ect). Non-Coms and recriuts are the main users for this "Dress" code. Marines wear Black Combat Gear and Black body webbing/armour.

Again, no; we know very little about Marines, and we don't actually know any of this; as far as we can tell, ALL marines that don't wear Battle Dress Uniforms (Black Combat Gear, capitalized, is not a real term) also have the armband. Either way, it is the subject of much debate, and we haven't actually been able to conclusively figure this out because they feature the Marines so rarely. --The Merovingian 09:07, 21 February 2006 (EST)

Obviously, I'm dealing with an American intelect with very little Military knowledge. No wonder you lost Veitnam!

Ebay IS a good source, it's just a shame you never thought of it. Its just a matter of where to look. Film footage, in this case, is unreliable, as most of the images are blurred. In reference to your member Day, It's official merchandise otherwise EBAY would retract ALL sales of said merchance due to legalities. "DUH!"

Um....No. Ebay is not a good source; they can sell anything, usually fan made stuff. It is not our policy to use it, plus it wouldn't make sense to use it. If film is blurred...we get a sharper image. No, it is not simply "official merchandise"; besides, the cheap plastic Star Trek pins and insignia you see sold all the time on these are often quite wrong. They're just churning out stuff for us to buy, without regard to accuracy.--The Merovingian 09:11, 21 February 2006 (EST)

Redwall, "Merv" is cocky and rushes headlong into matters that don't concern him. A tactical ploy which doesn't work with me. I've beaten guys like this before, and won! Politeness is something you EARN! In case you haven't noticed, Merovingian is another name for "Librarian". I added the links as a follow up segment, to show what he is describing.

Rush in? You Rushed to my Talk page to accuse me of making image deletions which I in fact did not, and made quite a long tirade about it without checking the facts first, which would reveal that I am not the person that did it. Since when is responding to a personal attack posted ON MY OWN TALK PAGE considered "matters that don't concern me"?--The Merovingian 09:13, 21 February 2006 (EST)

"Merv" or should I say "Dick Tracy", the whole point of the article, is to show the difference between TOS and the Reimagined series. Go ahead, deleate the article, but did you not stop think that I wouldn't back it up on my HD? "Something that is lost can be replaced" is what my old C.O. used to say. This article is no exception. If you are "All-knowing" why didn't y'all see this coming? Unless you plan on breaking into my house (Unlikely), and destroying said articles and images, there's not a fat lot of good you can do!

...you're really not paying attention. For the third time, *I* am not the person that was trying to delete these images, though I supported their deletion after the fact. You think we're like, trying to destroy these images at all points in time and space? Of course images still exist on E-bay and stuff. We can just delete it every time you try to add it into BattlestarWiki; and if you do so repeatedly in the face of deletion, such actions will be met with stern measures by the Administrators.--The Merovingian 09:16, 21 February 2006 (EST)

Tell you what, Ban me from this site for all I care! You sound like you spend too much time in your basement worriing about fact than what is wrong. True fans don't worry about this, just hope it makes good TV. If we did, the current "Pegasus" would(or should) have died at "Battle of the Resurrection Ship".

Take this "Site", bend over and shove it! I'll start my own, you dumb yank! --Jetstorm316, 21 Febuary 2006.

PS Never use the word "Jihad", you never know who is watching!