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creating and modifying templates

i've been looking around on the internet for pointers on creating my own templates and working with other more interesting wiki features, but i'm not having much luck. is there a site you can point me to? the feature i was trying to add on my userinfo was school. thanks! Caw 17:14, 15 September 2007 (CDT)

Here is a pretty extensive guide on templates. For more complex templates ParserFunctions are useful, although you probably won't have to use them at first. If you want to add stuff to the box templates, you might also want to read about tables, which we use to format the boxes. Good luck! ---Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 09:33, 17 September 2007 (CDT)

dumpBackup.php

I figure you might know the answer to this, so I'll ask you before I make a query on the mediawiki mailing list. Is there a way to specify what kinds of pages can be dumped using dumpBackup.php? For instance, I want to make a dump of pages in the article, portal, sources, category, template, and Battlestar Wiki namespaces, but not anything pertaining to the user or any talk namespaces. Is there an option I need to pass in the command line to do that? Or another program? Thanks! -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 11:55, 23 September 2007 (CDT)

How about using MWDumper instead? BTW, why would you want an XML dump of content-only stuff? --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 12:05, 23 September 2007 (CDT)

Cool. Thanks again! :-) As for why, I'm building a mirror in the event the main server should ever go down. (I don't expect it to, but you never know.) -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 12:07, 23 September 2007 (CDT)

It can be done with dumpBackup.php also:

php dumpBackup.php --filter=namespace:NS_MAIN,NS_CATEGORY,NS_TEMPLATE,NS_PROJECT,100,102

Where 100 and 102 are the numbers associated with the Portal and Sources namespaces (see also here). BTW, wouldn't it be wise to include Quotes (104) and Podcast (106) too? --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 12:14, 23 September 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, I'll add those namespaces too. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 12:17, 23 September 2007 (CDT)

Well, by just restricting it to the most valuable content, it cut the xml filesize down by half. ;-) -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 12:26, 23 September 2007 (CDT)

I see. For serious backups, you want to backup the entire DB though, so as to also backup users and their preferences, not to mention the quite huge {page,template,image,category,external,lang}links, redirect, *cache and math tables. You could exclude them to cut down on backup size, as they can be rebuilt from the pages' content. That would take quite some time, though, considering the amount of pages we have here. During the rebuild, categories, Special:Whatlinkshere and redirects won't work very well. Also, the wiki might be somewhat slower since its internal caches are gone. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 12:39, 23 September 2007 (CDT)

Well, the entire database is backed up on a weekly basis. ;-) -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 12:41, 23 September 2007 (CDT)

That's a comforting thought. Like I said, some tables can be rebuilt on the fly (you might wanna try excluding them to see if it makes a difference in the backups, I think that it'll at least speed up recovery, less stuff for mysqlbackup to import), but rebuilding will take significant time, although there's not much denial of service involved: the wiki will be somewhat slower, and some features aren't used very often anyway will not work fully. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 12:45, 23 September 2007 (CDT)

BTW, if you want to get a general idea of how all those tables work together, see this picture. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 12:46, 23 September 2007 (CDT)

New extension idea

For The Great Machine wiki, I've created a template that allows for the creation of shortened inline episode citations. The idea is when the user hovers their cursor over it, the episode number (i.e. S1E01) will reveal the full episode title (i.e. Midnight on the Firing Line). A mouseout event returns the text to its shorter state. This is all done by javascript; the js function that does the text changing is:

function changeTextById(elementId,changeVal){
   var hasInnerText =
   (document.getElementsByTagName("body")[0].innerText != undefined) ? true : false;
   var elem = document.getElementById(elementId);
   if(!hasInnerText){
       elem.textContent = changeVal;
   }else{
       elem.innerText = changeVal;
   }
}

That code is located in the Common.js file so that it works site-wide.

Of course, for it to work, I've had to enable wgRawHTML since that enables the javascript events written in the divs, which is something I really didn't like to do.

And the only way I can get it to work is to create sub templates that template substitute from the cite template.

What I'd like to do is turn it into an extension so that when the user calls <cite id="Midnight on the Firing Line">S1E01</cite>, they'll be able to do the same thing, without the use of templates. Is there a way you can whip up something quickly? If not, no worries.-- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 18:16, 1 October 2007 (CDT)

I think we need to update the "ref" extension. Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 02:02, 2 October 2007 (CDT)

I think it would be a good idea to do <redircite>S1E01</redircite>, where S1E01 redirects to Midnight on the Firing Line. Implementing this as a fork of Cite.php (which does the <ref> tags) doesn't seem like a good idea to me, as Cite.php is really intended to do the reference section thing.

Another important issue, though: it currently doesn't work, at least not for me. When I mouseover the example on tgm:Template:Cite, the text doesn't change back and forth between "S1E01" and "Midnight on the Firing Line" as expected, but simply remains static. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 09:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)

Ok, I fixed that. ;) Do a hard refresh and it should work. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 11:32, 2 October 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, it works now, except that I can't middle-click it. This could be fixed by using an <a> element rather than a <span>. I'll start working on the extension tomorrow. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 13:12, 2 October 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, middle click won't work because it uses a javascript on click event. Hopefully, in writing the extension you would be able to get rid of that... :) -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 13:27, 2 October 2007 (CDT)

If you work on Cite.php, this one features would be good... <ref name="hello" section="greetings">Hi.</ref> and <references area="greetings" />. "Another" <ref name="hello"/> would still put it in the "greetings" while if you had <ref name="hello2">Test</ref> would show up just in <references/>. Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 13:21, 2 October 2007 (CDT) :)

You can file an enhancement request at MediaZilla. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 13:27, 2 October 2007 (CDT)

I'm done writing the extension. I still have to draw up a README and do all the other paperwork, but you can already test it (at the hb: for instance) by copypasting this PHP code to extensions/redircite/redircite.php (relative to your MediaWiki root directory) and adding require_once('$IP/extensions/redircite/redircite.php'); to the bottom of your LocalSettings.php --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 10:21, 3 October 2007 (CDT)

Eureka! It works! :) -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 12:43, 3 October 2007 (CDT)

The extension is now on line here. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 15:46, 4 October 2007 (CDT)

Thankyou

Thanks for cancelling the block. I wont "vandalise" the site again (hopefully) and thankyou for properly explaining it to Shane...

) (Pooh the hat 17

54, 9 October 2007 (CDT))

No problem. Shane mixed up the chronology (which can happen if you don't visit Battlestar Wiki as obsessively as some of us do) and blocked you by mistake. It would be unfair to block you from editing forever because of a human error on our part. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 07:47, 10 October 2007 (CDT)

Oh wait, you did vandalize the wiki again, and now you have been blocked. You won't be able to edit the wiki for 3 months, and if you pull any stunts after, we'll gladly extend that to the end of time. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 08:01, 10 October 2007 (CDT)

The page: Tigh me up Tigh me down

When it describes what happens at the dinner between Roslin, Ellen Tigh, Tigh, Adama, and Lee Adama, what does it mean by Ellen tried to play footsies wwith Lee Adama under the table? What is footsies? How was she playing footsies with him? Please reply... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pooh the hat (talk • contribs).

Here ya go. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 18:03, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

EditOwn extension

I noticed your EditOwn extension and was wondering if there was a way to modify it so that it can perform the following functions:

• A user creates a page in the article—or any other—namespace, but doesn't want anyone else to edit it.
• Sysops must be immune, which shouldn't be a problem, but it goes without saying.
• Of course, not all pages on the wiki would have this restriction, and thus there would have to be some way to select whether an article has this type of owner-edit-only protection.

Reason I ask is because I'm building the BattlestarPegasus.com website using MW as a backend and one of the key things I wanted to do is have content creators, like fanfic writers, be able to post something up there without worrying about getting rewritten or vandalized. Thus I wanted to see if such a thing was possible. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 02:09, 29 October 2007 (CDT)

Hmm. I think you may not even need an EditOwn-like extension for that. You could create a group called 'authors' that can create pages whereas regular users cannot. You can also make it possible to protect a page so that only authors can edit it. The necessary lines in LocalSettings.php are the following:

$wgGroupPermissions['*']['createpage'] = false; // You probably have this one already
$wgGroupPermissions['user']['createpage'] = false; // Regular users can't create new pages
$wgGroupPermissions['user']['createtalk'] = true; // But they can create talk pages
$wgGroupPermissions['authors']['createpage'] = true; // People in our brand new authors group can create pages

$wgRestrictionLevels[] = 'authors'; // Make it possible to protect articles authors-only

By default, you'll see Require "authors" permission show up in the protection form. You can change this to something more descriptive by editing MediaWiki:protect-level-authors. You can add users to the authors group through the Special:Userrights interface (with which you're probably familiar already). --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 11:30, 29 October 2007 (CDT)

Well, I want it so that an author can only edit their own pages. So let's say that there are two fan fiction authors who contribute to BSP.com... they can submit their content, but can't edit the other's work. Is there something that can be whipped up for that? -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 12:59, 29 October 2007 (CDT)

Ah, that's more complicated. How about this extension? Then you could create these pages as User:Alice/Fanfic Article 1 and transclude it (i.e. {{User:Alice/Fanfic article 1}}) on Fanfic article 1, which would be protected. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 13:27, 29 October 2007 (CDT)

Yes, that seems to be the best bet for now. Thanks! :) -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 13:29, 29 October 2007 (CDT)

S/he

I'm using she and he because using the name all the time is mind-numbingly repetitive. I see that you try to use the name at the start of every paragraph and then switch to pronouns. The problem is that the paragraphs for these characters are usually so short that every or every second sentence starts with the name. That just doesn't really read well (Tattooed pilot was a really bad case of repetition once). And there generally isn't an confusion about who is meant with it. ---Serenity 15:22, 8 November 2007 (CST)

It's considered good style not to say "(s)he" too often, but to reuse the name every three or four occurrences. Lots of "(s)he"'s are also boring. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 15:24, 8 November 2007 (CST)

Yeah. In a longer text that's certainly true, and I wouldn't do it there. As said, the problem is really writing these short unrelated paragraphs in an interesting way. I also think that using the name in the middle of a sentence isn't so bad as starting every paragraph with it. "Mathias this...", "Mathias that..." three times in a row isn't such a good style either :s

Though it looks fine. The sentences, and especially the first paragraph, aren't as short as with Hoshi's article, so that's a plus. --Serenity 15:27, 8 November 2007 (CST)

I know, starting every paragraph with "Mathias" is boring. However, we do have a few paragraphs starting with "she", and like you said, Mathias doesn't have the one-sentence paragraphs Hoshi does. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 15:31, 8 November 2007 (CST)

WGA Template

Found a useful image for the strike template. --Steelviper 23:19, 14 November 2007 (CST)

Thanks, I'll certainly use it. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 07:53, 15 November 2007 (CST)

Preview button...

Sorry about that, I see what you're talking about now. I got all excited and jumped right into writing and editing and didn't read everything I should have first.

I hope to be adding (with the preview button ;) ) other new content in the near future. I am the CO of GalacticaHero.net. We specialize in BSG props and costumes, and I have a lot of information about those subjects.

-Dean

Just be careful with sourcing. It's nice to have this stuff, but you can't just add things entirely made up by fans.

Where exactly did you get those images? They say "taken by cast member" or something, but maybe we should also point that out in the article itself. Otherwise, nice work :) --Serenity 01:34, 22 November 2007 (CST)

Fans4Writers PM

Did you get my PM at fans4writers regarding the pictures? I'm not sure there's anything that can be done about those, but I just wanted to give the uh, interested parties, a heads up. --Steelviper 16:38, 2 December 2007 (CST)

Replied @ F4W. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 08:45, 3 December 2007 (CST)

Wikilinking translated articles

Well. As you maybe have noticed, I'd translated my first serious article. :) Now, what might be expected, I've got a question. How should I place interwiki links in this article? I mean, where should they lead? To existing English pages or to not-existing-yet Polish ones? Here's example:

[[Colonial Fleet|Flota Kolonialna]]

or

[[Colonial Fleet/pl:Flota Kolonialna|Flota Kolonialna]]

or maybe even just

[[Flota Kolonialna]]

? I'm asking, beacuse I'm thinking about some distant, but - i hope - inevitable future - creating individual and separate Polish BSGwiki and possible problems with converting articles titles from these "something/pl:coś" to these "coś". As I see, there were few non-English wiki created, so I think you have some earned method for it. :) -- Glizda 15:29, 30 January 2008 (CST)

I think it would be best to just link to Flota Kolonialna. It will show a red link, but it won't cause any trouble when it's imported to the Polish wiki. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 04:02, 31 January 2008 (CST)

Oh, right, I get it. But if I would like to create an article about Colonial Fleet, do I have to name it "Flota Kolonialna" or "Colonial Fleet/pl:Flota Kolonialna", as said on the Internationalization page? Sorry, it's not very clear for me. :P -- Glizda 14:47, 2 February 2008 (CST)

You'd still call it Colonial Fleet/pl:Flota Kolonialna. This may seem illogical because you're creating a lot of red links (to Flota Kolonialna and other pages), but this way you won't have to replace dozens of links once we move all those articles to a separate wiki. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 16:08, 2 February 2008 (CST)

Another thing, you should probably also change {{Template:Character Data/pl:Szablon:Dane postaci}} to {{Dane postaci}} even though it doesn't exist. It'll make moving to a separate wiki easier just like creating those links will. You can still use {{Character Data/pl:Szablon:Dane postaci}} for testing of course. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 16:11, 2 February 2008 (CST)

User:Shane/Testing_Area

Click on the CA Airdate "Show". It tells me that it needs to be created, but it should send me "raw" nothing at all. Empty, nada. So the if statement would fail and show me a link. I think there is a interwiki translation error that needs to be fixed. :) Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 13:45, 30 January 2008 (CST)

There is an error in the template: you're using {{md:Template:Something}} which should be {{md:Something}} (don't ask me why ;) ). Sadly, scary-transcluding nonexistent pages renders the "Battlestar Wiki does not have an article with this exact name." message. You could #pos: to look for that phrase (see the StringFunctions extension). --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 04:44, 31 January 2008 (CST)

Grrr.... where is the code in the PHP files that deals with this? Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 13:45, 31 January 2008 (CST)

I don't know that part of the code very well, but it's probably in Parser.php. However, it might be better to request a feature at MediaZilla, so someone who knows their way around the parser can take care of it. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 15:09, 31 January 2008 (CST)

Delete

Go right ahead with purging User:DrWho42/Articles Created. DrWho42 20:55, 25 February 2008 (CST)

"See also" extension

In redoing the sidebar, I was wondering if it is possible to code an extension that would output a "see also" box on the sidebar using a special link. For instance, let's say I put in [[see:Lee Adama]] in the article about William Adama. The result would be a box (similar to the language link box on the sidebar) that prints out the "see also" box with a link leading to Lee Adama. Your thoughts? -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 08:30, 27 February 2008 (CST)

Definitely possible, although I'd go with <seealso>Lee Adama</seealso>. I am worried that See Also links in the sidebar might not stand out as much, so you might want to duplicate them (have them both in the sidebar and in the article itself). --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 12:30, 27 February 2008 (CST)

I like that idea also. Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 12:32, 27 February 2008 (CST)

SVN

I been baffled by SVN setup for years. What to help me set it up on the server? :) Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 15:00, 29 February 2008 (CST)

You need to install the SVN client (should be easy with apt-get install subversion or whatever package manager you use), then run

svn checkout http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/ svn

This will put the current SVN version of MediaWiki (1.13alpha right now) in the svn directory. To update to the latest revision, simply cd to the directory and run svn update. This, of course, applies to anonymous use only (i.e. you can't commit anything). If you got commit access (which you probably didn't, or I would've heard of it) and want to be able to commit stuff to SVN, things work differently. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 15:34, 29 February 2008 (CST)

Not the client..... server. :) Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 16:22, 29 February 2008 (CST)

You wanna set up an SVN server? Now that they don't teach us at MediaWiki ;) There's a tutorial here. I don't have any experience with setting up and administering SVN repos, only with committing to them ;) What are you gonna put in there anyway? --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 16:29, 29 February 2008 (CST)

Check your email in a few mintues...

:) Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 11:28, 12 March 2008 (CDT)

Article for deletion/Battlestar Wiki (3rd nom.)

The Battlestar Wiki aritlce has been nominated for deletion for the third time. Feel free to add your comments to the corresponding discussion.--DrWho42 18:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Important Email Sent

Yes... very important. :) Shane (talk) 17:07, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Send another one. :) Shane (talk) 04:45, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Our namespace...

Well.. we have two sets. Media has it's own. Everyone else has the same. We don't have the translations that's why we orginally did not do it. I have to update the interwiki bot so it know the namesapces changed also. Shane (talk) 19:18, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I thought the interwiki bot didn't do namespaces other than the main namespace? Or did you fix that? Anyway, we can set up namespace aliases which will make de:Quotes:Foo automatically go to de:Zitaten:Foo, much like de:User:Shane takes you to de:Benutzer:Shane. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 20:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Podcast Linking

Thanks for handling the podcast linking for me. Honestly, that used to be one of my favorite things (especially when I came up with a particularly clever/amusing link). My wiki time is severely constrained now, though, so I figured I ought to concentrate on the actual transcription, and I was hoping somebody else would come along and handle the links. Thanks for stepping up! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Steelviper (talk • contribs).

No problem. I was kind of pissed off they hadn't released HTBIM yet... --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 19:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks like they finally released HTBIM. At least we aren't falling way behind... --Steelviper 11:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Nice. I'll probably get started on it tomorrow, after verifying Six of One. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 20:53, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Port wine finish

I'm pretty sure that's what he said, unless you hear differently. It also seems to match the description of the Quinta Ruban (Port Cask Extra Matured), mentioned on the Wikipedia article. --Steelviper 14:27, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it's Glenmorangie Port Wood Finish. :) -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 14:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I didn't even listen to the podcast yet (is ashamed), I just thought it made no sense at all and changed it to something phonetically close that did make sense (that's what I meant by "intuition" in my edit summary). I know I'm not supposed to do that, but it seemed like an obvious error to me and the podcast was in pre-verification stage. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 16:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't see that as a problem. Don't sweat it. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 16:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Well you know, the BW:POD guideline state (and rightly so) that one should always listen to the podcast before offering "corrections", because RDM's sentences sometimes don't make that much sense. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 16:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Catrope nailed it. All we should do as transcribers is write what he says. However, when it comes to links, I feel like it's ok to link to what he means (if it's obvious from the context what he's actually talking about). --Steelviper 19:21, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

That's what we always do. I am wary of the dropped words like [this] in Podcast:The Ties That Bind. They're mostly unnecessary and not used in any of the other podcasts. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 20:24, 11 May 2008 (UTC)