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You Will Know the Truth

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I found a blog post that links to this page on scifi.com. They've also got a forum thread on it. -- Gordon Ecker 00:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Zak Adama?

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It's possible that Zak Adama is the final Cylon. The main reason I say this is because of Leoben's line in Flesh and Bone: "Adama is a Cylon." I don't think that it's William Adama, Apollo, or by extension Dualla. Is this viable enough for inclusion in the article? --JemHadar359 05:25, 23 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

In this article on SyFy Portal[1], Michael Hinman claims that they have received confirmation of the identity of the final Cylon from multiple sources, and claims that the final Cylon is one of five characters listed in the article. Zak Adama is not on the list. -- Gordon Ecker 07:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

As I said before—and forgive me for soundin' like a broken record—but this article will be dead in its present (and the ColdBoot form) before the season ends anyway. ;-) -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 20:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

Just a feeling. . .

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that the final cylon will be someone that there's been no speculation about. Someone right out of left field. Personally, I'd like to think it's. . . Romo Lampkin. Centurion 51773 16:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

What about Number Seven?

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Do we have any information about the existence or nonexistence of Number Seven? In many interviews and articles, it has been stated that the Final Five don't have model numbers, so it couldn't be any of them. Has the issue of Number Seven been addressed in any interviews? -- Gordon Ecker 03:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Not yet you don't. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 19:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Since the Final Five are actually older, Seven must have been a failed model. -- Noneofyourbusiness 15:08, 20 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Archiving rather than deleting

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I can't say I'll miss all the fanwanking we did on this page and its sisters, but I think it'll be a hoot to leave these pages as of Ellen Tigh's reveal, locked with a note about the relative history of how contributors jerked themselves around trying to formulate a logic for the last Cylons. The main articles would be protected as well as the talk pages for people to smile and laugh at (especially the producers and writers who probably made sure we were wrong! ;) Thoughts? --Spencerian 03:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Sure, archive it. Though I will point out that if you read the Humanoid Cylon speculation/ColdBoot replacement that I started for it 6 months ago, it would in fact have led the reader to probably pick Ellen. Not sure why my efforts to get it live never amounted to anyting, but "nyah, nyah, I told you so..." :-) So archive that too. --bradtem 09:07, 20 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

I'd say you'd get dibs on that prediction, Brad. :) --Spencerian 03:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

- - Ellen was on a LOT of shortlists. Her mysterious survival, and then Saul being a Cylon... ZeldaTheSwordsman 20:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

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-==Major Concision==
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-I've heavily edited this lengthy article to the clearest points, removing excessive or redundant explanations already available in episode or character synopsis, leaving the most damning or affirms points of argument. I've removed the [[Tory Foster]] suspicion as it gives no justifiable weight-bearing indication of suspicion over other occasionally-seen characters. There were plenty of people who formed the new Quorum of Twelve who are as intimately familiar with the rules of its organization and law as Foster's knowledge suggests, and none of them are any more or less suspicious than Foster in that vein of logic.
-As Billy Keikeya is dead, no further points need be made for him unless he returns to life, which would be a dead giveaway, thus his major concision.
+== You Will Know the Truth ==
-I added the note from actors on critical season 3 info on Cylon agents in a spoiler, however, this needs a citation for it to remain.
+I found a [http://jamesjacob77.blogspot.com/2008/11/who-is-final-cylon_29.html blog post] that links to [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/youwillknowthetruth/ this page on scifi.com]. They've also got a [http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2319583&st=0 forum thread] on it. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 00:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
-Points of reference were also added to aid in supporting data while leaving the article clearer to read. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:36, 13 October 2006 (CDT)
+== [[Zak Adama]]? ==
-==Interesting Info==
+It's possible that Zak Adama is the final Cylon. The main reason I say this is because of [[Leoben Conoy|Leoben]]'s line in [[Flesh and Bone]]: "Adama is a Cylon." I don't think that it's William Adama, Apollo, or by extension Dualla. Is this viable enough for inclusion in the article? --[[User:JemHadar359|JemHadar359]] 05:25, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
-Read the [http://www.aintitcool.com/?q=node/30381 interview] below the Exodus I spoilers with Aaron Douglas and Tamoh Penikett at DragonCon. Very important spoilers about this article.
+:In this article on SyFy Portal[http://www.syfyportal.com/news425609.html], Michael Hinman claims that they have received confirmation of the identity of the final Cylon from multiple sources, and claims that the final Cylon is one of five characters listed in the article. Zak Adama is not on the list. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
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+: As I said before—and forgive me for soundin' like a broken record—but this article will be dead in its present (and the ColdBoot form) before the season ends anyway. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
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-| id="spoil-text" class="spoiltext_box" |  We have seen all the Cylon Models we are going to. The rest have been boxed. If one is ever reactivated, it will be a new character
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-My take on the interview. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 09:23, 14 October 2006 (CDT)
+== Just a feeling. . . ==
-:That kinda contradicts statements by Dean Stockwell and Grace Park who said that the other Cylon models are so secretive that the Significant Seven don't even think about them.
+that the final cylon will be someone that there's been no speculation about. Someone right out of left field. Personally, I'd like to think it's. . . Romo Lampkin. [[User:Centurion 51773|Centurion 51773]] 16:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
-:Moreover there is a qualifier. Aaron Douglas says "they've been boxed. '''I think''' that they've been boxed." --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:46, 14 October 2006 (CDT)
-:: That was my interpretation. I could be wrong. Although, the cylon actors would probably have more "credibility" about the topic. Does seem contradictory. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 09:58, 14 October 2006 (CDT)
-:Dammit! I was at DragonCon and missed their panels. I ''did'' meet them and get their autograph, but my photo with them blew up. The spoiler suggests more problems than the characters let on. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:48, 14 October 2006 (CDT)
-== Jammer as Cylon speculation ==
+== What about Number Seven? ==
-I think this is the most rediculous assertation on this page.  There is little evidence that he is an Cylon.  In fact, there is evidence to the contrary.  Yet, because he has his own pessimistic point of view and is easily swayed by the Cylon Doral, there are individuals who want to say he's a cylon.  Maybe the speculation was warranted in Season 1, but only in Valley of Darkness was there anything to consider and his negative and pessimistic attitude later or lack of knowledge of a term is hardly evidence at all.  Additionally, The Resistance paints him more as a confused boy than a Cylon infiltrator.  He makes some big mistakes but nothing that would indicate he was a Cylon.  He joins the NCP but so did 200 other Colonials.  In Occupation, only 33 of the 200 humans die as a result of Duck's suicide bomb so how does the fact that Jammer is among the 167 humans that survived (a majority) indicate that he's a Cylon?  What his experience with the occupation has shown is that he is struggling with it psychologically.  He had a legitimate gripe with the weapons being in the temple (I'm religious too and don't feel its alright so does that make me a Cylon too?) and Tigh's response scared the heck out of him.  Doral offered him a rosier (if false) picture of how things would turn out with a NCP.  Jammer was a dupe.  That doesn't make him a cylon.  The evidence so far on the page has boiled down to "If you aren't working with us, then you must be a cylon."  And I think that's an incorrect way of looking at things.  The evidence is trace at best so he should be moved out of this High Probability and to Low Probability at the highest.  --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 17:02, 15 October 2006 (CDT)
+Do we have any information about the existence or nonexistence of Number Seven? In many interviews and articles, it has been stated that the Final Five don't have model numbers, so it couldn't be any of them. Has the issue of Number Seven been addressed in any interviews? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 03:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
+: Not yet you don't. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
+:: Since the Final Five are actually older, Seven must have been a failed model. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:08, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
+== Archiving rather than deleting ==
+I can't say I'll miss all the fanwanking we did on this page and its sisters, but I think it'll be a hoot to leave these pages as of Ellen Tigh's reveal, locked with a note about the relative history of how contributors jerked themselves around trying to formulate a logic for the last Cylons. The main articles would be protected as well as the talk pages for people to smile and laugh at (especially the producers and writers who probably made ''sure'' we were wrong! ;) Thoughts? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 03:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
+:Sure, archive it.   Though I will point out that if you read the [[Humanoid Cylon speculation/ColdBoot]] replacement that I started for it 6 months ago, it would in fact have led the reader to probably pick Ellen.  Not sure why my efforts to get it live never amounted to anyting, but "nyah, nyah, I told you so..." :-)   So archive that too.  --[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 09:07, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
+::I'd say you'd get dibs on that prediction, Brad. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 03:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
+***Ellen was on a LOT of shortlists. Her mysterious survival, and then Saul being a Cylon... [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 20:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)