Talk:Margaret Edmondson/Archive 1

Why was the image just changed? The last one was better. ---Ricimer, 12 October, 2005

The previous image looked OK except it was blurry. This was a clearer image of the actor's face. Spencerian 12:51, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

This is not a clearer image of the actress's face. She's wearing a helmet, and there is some glare on the visor over her face. I cannot tell if this is even Racetrack or another female pilot. What is the proper way to legally upload images here? Galacticastation.com has a full gallery of screencaps, but I am not sure how to legally upload them here. ---Ricimer October 13, 2005

I'll leave it alone for others...the image may be better if it were cropped so that the face is larger...in any case it is larger in proportion to the original image.

I find it safe to use images used on other wikis if they subscribe to the CCL, which explicitly allows for sharing of any content, provided that credit is given. Spencerian 14:19, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

There ought to be a good screen grab to be found in Flight of the Phoenix, when she and Starbuck tussle. --April Arcus 17:06, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

• Galacticastation.com is not a wiki. --Ricimer, October 13, 2005

Try TV IV. This has a number of BSG episode pages with good photos. Looks like they've shared off of our content, too. Spencerian 18:02, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

Those dastards. I'm going to clean up some things there: nothing drastically new; I still want BattlestarWiki to be the one place for all the best analysis (in the line of Lurker's Guide to B5), but I'm going to clear up some of the blatantly wrong things over there; for example, they say that Racetrack is often confused with Kat. Well, I've noticed some people can't tell the difference when they have helmets on, but hey, everyone is hard to tell apart in helmets. They actually don't look similar at all. I'm going to straighten them out. But they seem to be taking information from us: what if they stole the images they have?---Ricimer, October 13, 2005

Copyleft is a wonderful thing. --April Arcus 18:44, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

I agree. I set my account up yesterday and note a note on where the Humano-Cylon term originated. Their episode pages need work, but someone got some great photos, of which this wiki will benefit from. :) Spencerian 22:53, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

I'm uploading a new pic for Racetrack. It's based on her appearance from Resistance. It's a good shot of her face without her helmet. --Ltcrashdown 18:34, 8 January 2006 (EST)

Mission in Home, pt. I

Since Racetrack is an ECO, and Apollo is a certified Raptor pilot, I find it unlikely that she was the pilot of that craft. --April Arcus 23:08, 8 January 2006 (EST)

Yeah, but we didn't see him piloting it; he was just sitting there. --Ricimer 23:21, 8 January 2006 (EST)

What exactly would the difference be as far as the viewer is concerned? --April Arcus 01:03, 9 January 2006 (EST)

A) Racetrack is sitting in the pilot's seat, not the ECO's station, B) Apollo's hands are visibly NOT on any controls, while Racetrack is visibly piloting the Raptor. --Ricimer 21:16, 9 January 2006 (EST)

Your first point isn't very plausible, since we've seen Sharon pilot the raptor from both seats throughout the series. The second point may be more credible, but I still doubt it. We know Apollo can pilot a Raptor, and we know Racetrack can ECO one. It defies occam's razor to suggest that each one took the role we don't know they're capable of. --April Arcus 21:23, 9 January 2006 (EST)

Oppurtunity for Racetrack shot

It appears that Racetrack can indeed pilot a raptor. As I was watching it seemed like there is an excellent opportunity for a head and shoulders (character template) screenshot of her when she is in the Raptor during Epiphanies. --Steelviper 08:42, 24 January 2006 (EST)

• Check out ECO; I updated the ECO page to cover this already, as Racetrack has actually been seen flying Raptors in Fragged, Final Cut, etc. Thing is that Crashdown was also seen to be able to pilot a Raptor in KLG Part I. Also, I think it kind of logical that if a pilot is killed in battle, his ECO would have enough basic flying training (at least) to know how to fly these things. Again, I already updated "ECO" with this: running theory is that, logically, Galactica is low on Raptor pilots but they're using Raptors for constant supply runs, so they're stretched thin, so they must be making the ECO's pilot some of the missions so they can take it in shifts, etc.--Ricimer 13:54, 24 January 2006 (EST)

My only exposure to the "argument" was what was above. The main point I was trying to get across was the opportunity for a good head and shoulders screenshot. I changed the section to reflect this. --Steelviper 14:00, 24 January 2006 (EST)

IMDB Photo Gallery

Leah Cairns has three photos attached to her imdb entry, if anybody is curious. Since there's no Leah Cairns article here (and I don't know if this link is enough to justify creating one) I thought I'd point it out here. It's a shame that all of the shots we have of her are all helmeted out.--Steelviper 16:45, 25 January 2006 (EST)

Well, judging by Black Market it looks like Racetrack can now be added to the list of known Raptor pilots. Ltcrashdown 22:39, 27 January 2006 (EST)

Racetrack as an ECO

There seems to be a wide-spread belief that Racetrack is a pilot, not an ECO. This is patently not the case, for a variety of reasons:

1. We are first introduced to Racetrack as Crashdown's replacement to fly with Boomer in KLG, pt. II.
2. When Lee Adama pilots a Raptor to Kobol in Home, Part II, she ECOs for him.
3. When her raptor picks up Lee in Resurrection Ship, Part II, she's able to defibrillate him, which she could not do if she were piloting the ship at the same time.
4. She gives jump coordinates to Skulls in Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I, which is the ECO's job.

Now, the thing that's confusing some people is that even though her primary job is as ECO, she can pilot a raptor, and has done so at least once (in "Black Market", for example). However, this is no contradiction - remember that Crashdown was able to pilot his raptor to a crash landing in KLG, after Karma was killed. It seems that in general, ECOs are capable of piloting, and probably perfectly qualified to do so in non-combat situations like "Black Market", but the fact remains that it is not her primary job, and she should be listed as an ECO.

The main reason people assume that she's an ECO is because she was Sharon's co-pilot in KLG. But it makes sense to use two qualified pilots for that, since it was a highly unusual and dangerous mission. And isn't she training for a combar mission in "Occupation"? There's also a Raptor with her name on it; on BSG that's probably done for the pilots only, not the whole crew. She's also piloting a combat mission in "Fragged".

IMO it makes most sense to list her as both. There is nothing primary and secondary about it in her case. If anything the writers like the character and use her a bit inconsistently. But she is a pilot and ECO about equally --Serenity 13:50, 7 October 2006 (CDT)

Sending a Raptor on a mission to a base star without an ECO would have been idiotic, and we know Boomer wasn't an ECO - thus, at least during KLG, that was Racetrack's job. As far as Fragged goes (which takes place on the same day), Lee was piloting that Raptor.

Your point about having Racetrack's name on the Raptor exterior is a good one, though, and it's possible that she's a full pilot by the time of Occupation - it's 16 months later, after all. I wonder if Brad would enlighten us? --April Arcus 14:07, 7 October 2006 (CDT)

The operative part being that ECO - or doing similar duties - was her job on that mission. Otherwise there is ample evidence that she is perfectly qualified - and more importantly used - to do both as the missions demand it. More so than fulltime ECOs being able to do some piloting in emergencies --Serenity 14:30, 7 October 2006 (CDT)

Re-imagined Series definition: Battlestar Group ^{(TRS: "Water")}. It also doubles as an acronym for the television series itself.

crew member handling electronic countermeasures of a craft; ECOs are standard crew aboard Raptors (see: ECO)

Re-imagined Series definition: initial skills training; can refer to basic military indoctrination, and arms and ground training ^{(TRS: "Fragged")}; and basic flight training ^{(TRS: "Miniseries")}

Re-imagined Series definition: the process of using the FTL engines to make an near-instantaneous apparent faster-than-light transport of a ship from one point in space to another