User talk:Philwelch

Your fight with Ricimer

Gentlemen: rather than reverting each other's edits on Cylons, please attempt a civilized discussion on the article's talk page. --April Arcus 15:04, 31 August 2005 (EDT)

Character Data Template

Uh... Whatever you changed seems to've broken several pages. I don't understand whatever code that is that's used in the template, but would you take another look at it and see what's going wrong with, for instance, William Adama? Much appriciated. --Day 00:25, 9 December 2005 (EST)

I may've figured it out playing with my user page. I had to add seriven in the right place and even if I left it undefined, it tamed the problem. Now we have to go in and put it into all the pages that use the template though. Ugh. Do we even know anyone's Service Number? --Day 00:36, 9 December 2005 (EST)

I thought I fixed that problem in the template. Let me see what I can do. Philwelch 03:48, 9 December 2005 (EST)

Yeah. It's not a problem anymore, try clearing your cache. Philwelch 03:50, 9 December 2005 (EST)

I just checked William Adama and did a shift-reload to no avail. It think it's because he needs to have servicen declared, even if not value is given in order for the code not to freak out and show up at the top. What made you think to add this in? Did someone mentioned their Service Number on screen? --Day 03:54, 9 December 2005 (EST)

I just checked William Adama and it looks fine to me. And for the record, we have the service numbers of Helo and Boomer. Philwelch 03:56, 9 December 2005 (EST)

File:Whoops.jpg

A screen shot of the error Day is seeing. Specifically, the odd text above the template proper.

I've included a screen shot. I've done the cache clear. I'm not sure what's up. Maybe it will just go away in a day or so. Anyway, now you can see what I'm seeing, though I don't know if that'll do any good. *shrug* I fixed it on my user-page, though, by adding the field with no data. Oh well. Let's give it some time, see if it goes away for me or no. --Day 04:06, 9 December 2005 (EST)

That's strange. I see no such thing. Philwelch 04:19, 9 December 2005 (EST)

Philwelch, you need to go in and add "|servicen=" (sans quotes) into each and every page that uses the template, otherwise it will print out the code. As for how many people we can actually use these in, I imagine only two: Boomer and Helo. (Boomer's service number was on her uniform jacket tag in "Water" and Helo said it after he was captured by Six.) -- Joe Beaudoin 09:38, 9 December 2005 (EST)

I did a quick search on "character data", and it appears there are just shy of 70 pages that use the character data template. --Steelviper 11:18, 9 December 2005 (EST)

Just go to Template:Character Data and click on "What links here" in the toolbox on the left margin. It'll show all the pages that use the template. -- Joe Beaudoin 14:19, 9 December 2005 (EST)

You're both seeing the same thing Day is? Philwelch 13:34, 9 December 2005 (EST)

No, but Joe commented serviceen out of the template. I never got a chance to see it before it being commented, but Joe seemed to think that the "|serviceen=" would need to be added to them all. Which isn't really all that flexible as a template (if you're still having to edit each and every page that template is on). --Steelviper 13:42, 9 December 2005 (EST)

I agree -- it's a technical limitation I had to concede to when I created the template. -- Joe Beaudoin 14:19, 9 December 2005 (EST)

Forget it then. Philwelch 13:43, 9 December 2005 (EST)

That's strange, the problem appears in Firefox but not in Safari. Philwelch 13:55, 9 December 2005 (EST)

Safari and Firefox use different rendering engines, which would explain the issue. -- Joe Beaudoin 14:19, 9 December 2005 (EST)

Philwelch/Adama

Should I go ahead and delete User:Philwelch/Adama? I think it was created as a pseudo-sandbox for character template work, so if you're done with that I thought we might as well clean that up. --Steelviper 15:18, 14 January 2006 (EST)

Sure. Philwelch 17:08, 14 January 2006 (EST)

Silly Quotes

There is a discussion started here. --FrankieG 17:51, 9 September 2006 (CDT)

The quote you keep trying to used for 9/9 has already been used for 10/1. That's the reason I reverted it yesterday, not due to the silly quote business. --FrankieG 05:34, 10 September 2006 (CDT)

Recent rollback

Philwelch, I rolled back your recent entries to The Music. Your notes do not match Ron Moore's explanation of the music's origin and resumed commonality to the series' counterpart to Earth (noted in the same section), and causes the article to be self-argumentative as a result. --Spencerian 10:29, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

I haven't been around for awhile because of other things, but I just restored it. There's a difference between suggesting plotwise that they're picking up an Earth radio signal, and suggesting a thematic connection. Philwelch 07:15, 19 April 2007 (CDT)

Rollback: The Music

Philwelch, I rolled back your additions to this article because (1) the edits make the article self-argumentative, which is against our conventions policy, and (2) Ron D. Moore has noted in his last podcast and in interviews that the music does have a cosmic source, but it's not Earth itself. We shouldn't "defy" what the series creator says in this matter. Please do not re-add this contribution. -- Spencerian 09:51, 19 April 2007 (CDT) ^{(Talk - Contrib Skillz - Edit Skillz)}

I never said the music's source was earth, and it doesn't make the article self-argumentative. There is no contradiction.

Please do not revert my contribution again, especially since I've added an outside source. Philwelch 15:40, 19 April 2007 (CDT)

If there's self-argumentation, it may be RDM's fault anyway:

"And the idea was, and it still is, that there are connections between their world and our world." (from the podcast)

So he is saying, "It's not a transmission from Earth," but yet that there is is some sort of (as yet unexplained) connection. I'm not sure if by "our world" he's saying "Earth" or saying present day earth/reality. --Steelviper 15:59, 19 April 2007 (CDT)

I suspect Spencerian doesn't understand the distinction between theme and plot. Thematically, "All Along The Watchtower" DOES suggest a connection to Earth—there's no other reason for including it—even though, plotwise, the music may not originate from Earth. Philwelch 16:01, 19 April 2007 (CDT)

The problem, as I read, involved primarily that you had generally repeated the same information in the article without a source, and it read poorly as edited with the original cite and source. Now that you have another, stronger citation, I've revised the references to unify both points (the original reference on Moore's decision was from McCreary's blog, but yours has a stronger citation with a direct quote). Concision is always preferable, IMO -- Spencerian 16:04, 19 April 2007 (CDT) ^{(Talk - Contrib Skillz - Edit Skillz)}

The problem is that you don't understand the distinction between theme and plot, and saw a contradiction where there was none. I shouldn't have even needed a reference to make such an obvious point (well, obvious to those of us who understand how fiction works), but I happened to find one today and felt it would somewhat force the point. Philwelch 16:06, 19 April 2007 (CDT)

Citing is always good, and never unnecessary. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 16:31, 19 April 2007 (CDT)