Talk:Karl Agathon/Archive 1

Callsign

Has anyone else ever wondered why Sharon never calls Helo "Karl"? It seems to me like an emotional detatchement in her that nobody is recognizing (the characters) Rocky8311 19:33, October 17, 2005 (EDT)

Galactica-Boomer always called Tyrol "Chief", never "Galen". --April Arcus 21:22, 17 October 2005 (EDT)

RDM explained this in the blog: we've never heard Tyrol called Galen out loud before this episode, "I am Galen Tyrol! My father was a priest!...", etc. Only people who read the blog would know his name; casual viewers would not. He said it would have sounded odd and ruined the dramatic moment, and I'm inclined to agree. --Ricimer 21:55, 17 October 2005 (EDT)

See, what I'd say to that is that on the Galactica, Sharon and Tyrol were trying to maintain a modicum of professional detachment, at least publicly. It was probably helpful to be in the practice of calling him "Chief" so something else didn't slip out in public (first name). But with Helo, I don't see any reasons why she should see a barrier to familiarity. Heck, she's carrying his child. Rocky8311 21:50, October 17, 2005 (EDT)

On Galactica, pilots tend to call each other their callsigns more than their real names. "Helo" *is* is his name to them. --Ricimer 21:56, 17 October 2005 (EDT)

Well, some people don't like being called by their first names. For instance, Angus MacGyver goes by "Mac" or "MacGyver", never by "Angus". Although on Galactica pilots do tend to be called by their callsigns. (Hence the term, "callsign", me thinks.)-- Joe Beaudoin 22:02, 17 October 2005 (EDT)

I agree with Ricimer. No one here calls me Ben. Even people I've known for years online who know my real name still call me Day. That's my name in this context. Similarly, Helo is Karl Agathon's name within the fraternity of pilots. This is probably Sharon (subconsciously?) signalling that she still wants to be part of that fraternity and Karl (also subconsciously?), by accepting that she calls him that, signaling that he thinks she should be allowed in, too.

I guess, though, it doesn't need to work like that. Maybe it's significant that Sharon calls Karl "Helo" but he calls her "Sharon", signaling that she's not, really, a pilot. It would be interesting to see if Lee or Kara asked/told Sharon not to call them Apollo and Starbuck and/or if they seem to be making a point of never calling her Boomer. --Day 23:55, 27 December 2005 (EST)

Another meaning behind Agathon

Agathon was also the name of a ancient Greek poet.--Kross 14:59, 14 March 2006 (CST)

I consulted my trusty "Character Naming Sourcebook" and while it does not have an "Agathon" it does have "Agaton" which means "Pure." -- AerynSun44 22:20, 19 April 2006 (CDT)

I think the poet is the most (only?) credible origin. --April Arcus 22:56, 19 April 2006 (CDT)

I concur, for what it's worth. I think the others bear inclusion if only because they'd likely be re-added less prettily anyway. --CalculatinAvatar 23:18, 19 April 2006 (CDT)

Regarding Raptor Analogies

'...I never really thought of the Raptor as a transport, I usually thought of it as analogous to the Navy's EA-6 Prowler (a variant of the A-6 Intruder popularized in "Flight of the Intruder")' -RDM at http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/ (current entry, dated April 18th) --CalculatinAvatar 20:29, 19 April 2006 (CDT)

The part that will blow your mind is that *I* asked that question in the blog thread (about Starship Troopers) naught but 2 days ago (there is little rhyme or reason to how Ron pics questions for the blog from the message thread, but he tends to pic the most recent....which is why every 2-3 months I repost the 30 or so pretty good questions which have yet to be answered in one long list. Hey, it beats that idiot who wondered if the Cylons somehow injected Caprica-Sharon full of human egg cells (Ron answered that....but I think only in disgust that someone thought something so wacky). --The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 20:47, 19 April 2006 (CDT)

That's actually quite hilarious. Anyway, I'll note the visual inspiration, which, upon reflection, that quote does not address. --CalculatinAvatar 23:07, 19 April 2006 (CDT)

Karl "C." Agathon

Apparently "C" is for cookie. That's good enough for me. (Just made me laugh. I think the "C" is still a mystery at this point).--Steelviper 15:41, 1 June 2006 (CDT)

Rank

Is it just me, or was Helo wearing Captain rank pins in Exodus, Part II? --Madbrood 07:04, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

It isn't just you... It's been clear that Helo was promoted to captain in AMOS. Indeed, you helped significantly on determining since when he's got the new rank. -- Infestans 06:41, 16 November 2006 (GMT):

Time for some cleanup

It's really time to clean up this article. We need to stop using callsigns all the time (no reason to call Karl Agathon by his callsign—"Helo"—in the article), the only callsigns we should use in the article are for Boomer and Athena, if only to differentiate the two Sharons he's run into in his miserable life. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 22:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Maybe some folks haven't read the appropriate Standards and Conventions section. Perhaps some more explicit direction in that area could be helpful, too?-- Fredmdbud 05:42, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

BCE

Please, take note of this issue. Str1977 09:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Re-imagined Series definition: a nickname used as a substitute for an aviator's given name in wireless communications and in conversation