Talk:Fan fiction/Golden Toaster Awards/Archive 1
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I don't remember what "lifetime achievement awards" like the TOSer, Solium, and GINO stood for. I have to ask the guy in charge: the actual website (GalacticaActual) where the event was held has been destroyed, apparently, so I also no longer know exactly who the nominees were, but I can check for the meaning of these awards. I do, however, have an accurate list of the winners.--Ricimer 17:13, 29 January 2006 (EST)
- I like this. =) --Drumstick 17:23, 29 January 2006 (EST)
Silly Pages
If these are real, then this page doesn't actually belong in the Silly Pages category. --April Arcus 17:48, 29 January 2006 (EST)
- Well....then what category would apply?--Ricimer 17:52, 29 January 2006 (EST)
- I'm not sure if we have one for fandom topics. Do we have other pages that would be included in such a category? --April Arcus 17:54, 29 January 2006 (EST)
A concern
I'm just a bit concerned about this article, given that it isn't an actual award ceremony. Perhaps this article would be better left in the user space (i.e. User:Username/Golden Toaster Awards) rather than in the article namespace. Thoughts? -- Joe Beaudoin 14:21, 24 March 2006 (CST)
No. Ron Moore & Co. know about this thing and we're starting up the Second Awards; we just started this week, and our placeholder website for the 2nd awards is up here. More news to follow. Please leave it as it is for now. Plus, quite possibly the entire online community is involved and it really is an "awards show", just one held online.--The Merovingian (C - E) 14:28, 24 March 2006 (CST)
- I don't mind having fandom topics discussed here, as long as there's no ambiguity between what's canonical and what's fan-related - and this article is pretty clear. --April Arcus 16:30, 24 March 2006 (CST)
- Even if they know it, it doesn't mean everyone excepted it. I think it should not be in the article database. --Shane (T - C - E) 17:26, 24 March 2006 (CST)
- Perhaps some kind of template for the header, much like the current neutrality one, but specifically for fan related articles. --Mercifull 11:06, 7 April 2006 (CDT)
- Not a bad idea there: casual users don't always notice the categories on the bottom of an article; having a tag in "nice big shiny letters" (haha) having another tag that says something's related to the fanbase would be okay. --The Merovingian (C - E) 14:01, 7 April 2006 (CDT)
- Proposed fandom template here. Could use Mercifull template image skills, as well as possibly attaching a Fandom cat. Then we could tag Golden Toasters and Fan fiction. --Steelviper 16:50, 7 April 2006 (CDT)
- There is no reason for anyone on the show not to accept fan awards, and every cast member who has been told about it has been gracious and grateful, naturally. I don't see any reason to exclude this. It is a fact that these ceremonies take place with a lot of fan participation and it is a fact that these awards are given, and it is a fact that the cast and crew are notified where possible, and respond. At Galactica Actual they posted few responses from the recipients and I'm sure that this will happen again. If there is some reason why this one of the most formal interactions between the fans and the cast/crew should be treated as if it is a matter of opinion or it never happened, I can't imagine what that reason might be.--Dogger 14:25, 7 April 2006 (CDT)
- I agree with Dogger. These awards were a pretty big deal last year, with a lot of participation from across fandom and some wonderful validation from the cast and crew. They may not be some industry-sanctioned award, but they are well-organized and well-taken by the creators of the show. And, as a newbie around here, I'd prefer the article stay somewhere obvious, where I can find it. I can't possibly be the only one... -- Sabaceanbabe 15:05, 7 April 2006 (CDT)
- You may call me a dreamer, but I am not the only one...--The Merovingian (C - E) 15:09, 7 April 2006 (CDT)
- I agree with Dogger. These awards were a pretty big deal last year, with a lot of participation from across fandom and some wonderful validation from the cast and crew. They may not be some industry-sanctioned award, but they are well-organized and well-taken by the creators of the show. And, as a newbie around here, I'd prefer the article stay somewhere obvious, where I can find it. I can't possibly be the only one... -- Sabaceanbabe 15:05, 7 April 2006 (CDT)
- Based on what MrsRon has told us, these awards are as real to RDM as any other award so I think that presenting the information in article format is appropriate. --AerynSun44 15:51, 7 April 2006 (CDT)
- I have read MrsRon's responses as well, and she indicated that it was something of interest. I would think it a positive impact moment, and information to share with fans even in the form of a link. -- Mazzy 17:17, 7 April 2006 (CDT)
- Perhaps some kind of template for the header, much like the current neutrality one, but specifically for fan related articles. --Mercifull 11:06, 7 April 2006 (CDT)
- Even if they know it, it doesn't mean everyone excepted it. I think it should not be in the article database. --Shane (T - C - E) 17:26, 24 March 2006 (CST)
No NPOV
Merv is an offical spokes personn of the GTA's. He has no neatuaility here, so the article must be removed; reason: self-promotion. The website itself is not even up yet. [1] --Shane (T - C - E) 02:08, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
- Indeed I am. But that just means that I'm the poster at the official messageboard they tapped to talk about it. And through my aid, the powers in charge of the event were able to get incredibly detailed fact checking. Further, wait until at least Thursday-Friday of this week; nominations are about to begin. --The Merovingian (C - E) 02:35, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
- Perhaps it would be best if there was just one page for awards and then a subpage or just a link to the GTA site rather than posting fan stuff here? --Mercifull 03:19, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
- Looks like theres already an awards page, i think a small passage could be mentioned about the golden toaster awards there with a link to the site rather than showing all the results here. Its certainly not a recognised awards "ceremony". --Mercifull 03:21, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
- I think that at the topic is sufficiently notable in fandom to make sure that a listing of the winners is maintained. Currently, I think this may be the only place a list is kept. As soon as the "official" site is up, it'd probably be best if we turned the updating and maintenance of winners over to them (for risk of redundancy) and mostly just link to results, etc. --Steelviper 07:49, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
- Agree. I don't see a significant conflict of interest here. --April Arcus 09:42, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
- When GalacticaActual was destroyed months after the first awards, the GTA leaders had to scramble through old computer files to try to find a complete list of old winners. When I established one here, they were very thankful. --The Merovingian (C - E) 11:41, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
- I hope you dont mind me playing with it a little. I bolded some parts, unbolded others and changed the awards to sub headers so they show in a table of contents? --Mercifull 11:49, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
- When GalacticaActual was destroyed months after the first awards, the GTA leaders had to scramble through old computer files to try to find a complete list of old winners. When I established one here, they were very thankful. --The Merovingian (C - E) 11:41, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
- Agree. I don't see a significant conflict of interest here. --April Arcus 09:42, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
- I think that at the topic is sufficiently notable in fandom to make sure that a listing of the winners is maintained. Currently, I think this may be the only place a list is kept. As soon as the "official" site is up, it'd probably be best if we turned the updating and maintenance of winners over to them (for risk of redundancy) and mostly just link to results, etc. --Steelviper 07:49, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
- Indeed I am. But that just means that I'm the poster at the official messageboard they tapped to talk about it. And through my aid, the powers in charge of the event were able to get incredibly detailed fact checking. Further, wait until at least Thursday-Friday of this week; nominations are about to begin. --The Merovingian (C - E) 02:35, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
Citations...?
I know this is going to be difficult, but could we have citations per policy? -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 13:35, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
- Well that's a bit tricky....you see BattlestarWiki has become the citation: the list was made here, because the original website messageboard it was hosted on was destroyed (GalacticaActual), and people kept asking if there was a definative list from before. I mean, multiple people involved with it were able to find e-mails that had winners lists and it exists in e-mail form, but the separate, official website was only created for the 2nd year. --The Merovingian (C - E) 13:44, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
- Update: They in fact do exist in hard form somewhere else: this post is the old bboard thread from last October which announced the results. (This is of course, proof that I didn't just claim that people I liked won...I mean I that were the case, Cally would have beat Dualla for Best Supporting Actress).--The Merovingian (C - E) 13:53, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
- Well, my concern is that Battlestar Wiki shouldn't be the citation, since we should avoid self-references whenever possible. Thus, if you have those e-mails (and we can reprint them with permission), we can place them under Sources:Golden Toaster Awards. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 14:28, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
- I justed pointed out in my update: the source is on that link I have to the Scifi.com messageboards. Caravaggio is the guy that runs it, and he posted the list of winners in the page linked above. --The Merovingian (C - E) 14:45, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
Fandom template
Should the NPOV tag be replaced by the Fandom template? I created the template with this page and Fan fiction in mind, but we should probably either use the template, or kill it if there's no need for it. --Steelviper 14:57, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
- Yes, the fandom template was made to address that need to remove the NPOV tag. --The Merovingian (C - E) 15:05, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
Reorganized and cleanup
I've reorganized the article and cleaned it up a bit. I believe it reads more clearer now, and I've removed the NPOV offending exclaimations and other oddities I found in the article. Any thoughts? -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 15:35, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
- Very good, though I think the individual awards should just have their titles bolded instead of being subcategories, because they won't be edited around that much but right now the little "edit" tabs appear next to every one. --The Merovingian (C - E) 16:10, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
Cleanup Part 2
Changing into a table format like our lists. Shane (T - C - E) 08:39, 18 February 2007 (CST)
- Ok... to many awards. I suggest we just remove them. Right now it's just "fluf". Shane (T - C - E) 09:00, 18 February 2007 (CST)
- Ok, I've broken the award results into separate pages for each award event. This makes the main article a bit more concise. I've also done some other minor cleanup. I'm looking for ideas, thoughts, etc. on how to improve this article. Thanks. JubalHarshaw 12:36, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
- Looks good. No idea what more could be done. Seems fine as it is. --Serenity 13:07, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
- Ok, I've broken the award results into separate pages for each award event. This makes the main article a bit more concise. I've also done some other minor cleanup. I'm looking for ideas, thoughts, etc. on how to improve this article. Thanks. JubalHarshaw 12:36, 10 April 2007 (CDT)