Nice Work!
I enjoy reading about the new Galactica starship and look forward to more details as the series progresses...and to adding my own edits, too.
Keep up the good work on this page.
- On behalf of the rest of the team, thanks! This wiki has grown a lot from the work of a few hundred people and a lot of readers! Spencerian 22:44, 13 October 2005 (EDT)
- I am here, I make the edits. There was little choice in the matter. --Ricimer, October 13, 2005
Formatting Question
When formatting the "full name" of Galactica is it:
- ...the Battlestar Galactica
- ...the Battlestar Galactica
or
- ...the battlestar Galactica?
It seems to me that it should be the second.
- "Galactica" or "the battlestar Galactica"; never "the Galactica". Battleship and aircraft carrier are not proper nouns, so battlestar isn't either. See Battlestar wiki:Standards and Conventions#Ships. --Peter Farago 20:56, 17 October 2005 (EDT)
Tallies
FYI, I'm working on a fairly major revamp of these, using MASON and Joe's source page idea. --Peter Farago 20:59, 17 October 2005 (EDT)
- Why does it state that Galactica had 2 squadrons of MKVII's on board the ship at the begining of the series? This would be a big inconsistancy with what we saw in the miniseries.
- At the decommisioning ceremony we see one squadron of vipers led by Apollo doing a flyby. This squadron leaves the ship for Caprica after the ceremony and is rerouted to engage the cylons.
- When Starbuck is released from the brig she reports 20 pilots available but no vipers. Adama then orders the MKII's in the museum pressed into service.
- The squadron of MKVII's led by 'Ripper' is then destroyed by the cylon virus.
- IF there were 2 squadrons of MKVII's on the ship, where is that second squadron during all of this? It didn't launch with Ripper's squadron and it wasn't available for Starbuck and the other stranded pilots to use. (They didn't know the MKVII's were useless until after the first squadron was destroyed.)
- It's more likely that the MKVII's we see at Ragnor and later in the series are made up from homeless vipers that were carried to Ragnor with Roslin's fleet, plus a few spares put together from storage aboard Galactica.
- There are clearly twenty vipers on screen in Ripper's squadron. Galactica is then able to sortie a combined squadron of (roughly) 40 Mk. VIIs and Mk. IIs. This makes perfect sense if Galactica has two squadrons of Mk. VIIs based in its active (port) flight pod, and one squadron of Mk. IIs in the museum (starboard) flight pod.
- As for pilots, presumably the ones with ships had something better to do than be "climbing the walls down here". It's fairly typical for a military operation to have more pilots than craft in any case, so that's not an issue. --Peter Farago 18:47, 4 December 2005 (EST)
Well if there was another squadron of MVII's available at the time Starbuck mentions the 20 odd pilots in the ready room, where is that second squadron? If they are sortied after Ripper's mission, they would have been destroyed by the virus. If they're in the tubes waiting for a mission, why didn't they sortie to defend the ship?
This second squadron is never seen onscreen or mentioned in dialogue in the miniseries. It's more likely it didn't exist and the later MKVII's are refugees. Those vipers are at least seen on screen once, and later in the series its mentioned that there are some pilots from other battlestars flying off Galactica. (Crashdown is described as a refugee from "Triton", for example.)
- Crashdown was a Raptor pilot; Raptors have FTL and could go to another system, but I don't think Vipers could easily escape to Ragnar that well (unless, like Apollo, they landed on a nearby Civilian ship with Jump engines then escaped aboard that, but that seems unlikely).--Ricimer 17:50, 7 December 2005 (EST)
- Didn't Doral say during the flyby at the museum that it was performed by the last Galactica squadron. Since this was the squadron led by Ripper, it pretty much precludes a second squadron. Also, there could have been several Mk VIIs in storage, for spares or down for repairs. Maybe there were extra Mk IIs stored in the starboard hanger. --Talos 17:57, 7 December 2005 (EST)
- It is likely that they were unservicable and awaited transfer to a dock after Galactica was officially decomissioned. Also, on the off chance that I might be right, there may have been Vipers on other ships that survived as well. (For instance, there may have been a few were stragglers from earlier engagements, or even patrols that didn't see action during the assault on the Colonies that happened upon Roslin's fleet prior to Ragnar.) Just a thought or three... -- Joe Beaudoin 19:33, 7 December 2005 (EST)
- Didn't Doral say during the flyby at the museum that it was performed by the last Galactica squadron. Since this was the squadron led by Ripper, it pretty much precludes a second squadron. Also, there could have been several Mk VIIs in storage, for spares or down for repairs. Maybe there were extra Mk IIs stored in the starboard hanger. --Talos 17:57, 7 December 2005 (EST)
- It would be informative to get an actual headcount during the Battle of Ragnar Anchorage. I have the launch scene about 2/3 analyzed, and will probably be able to finish it next week, but the video quality of my recording isn't perfect. I'll let you know what I come up with, in any case. --Peter Farago 20:33, 7 December 2005 (EST)
- Oh, one more thing - In the mini, Adama says "I seem to remember an entire squadron of fighters down in the starboard hangar deck yesterday". If there were two squadrons of Mk. IIs, he would've said so. Again, two squadrons of Mk. VIIs (one destroyed) and one squadron of Mk. IIs fits the on-screen evidence nicely. --Peter Farago 17:48, 8 December 2005 (EST)
- The only problem with that is that the second squadron doesn't seem to show up until the battle at Ragnor. What was it doing all this time? If the count of MKVII's is under 20, it makes sense that the MKVII's at Ragnor were made up of a small group of spares that were put together onboard Galactica along with whatever refugees were picked up by Roslin's fleet. We know for sure that there were at least three MKVII's with that fleet that were shown onscreen.--Dallan007
- Didn't Starbuck's lines in that scene imply that there were no operational fighters. I believe it was something along the lines of "pilots you got, but Vipers..." I think the Mk VIIs they have were straglers the RTFF picked up before they jumped to Ragnar. These could have been on patrol or something and met up with Colonial One et al. --Talos 00:03, 9 December 2005 (EST)
- Maybe the Mk. VII wing wasn't sortied before Ragnar because the systems had to be stripped of Baltar's CNP. There are far too many Mk. VIIs in the Ragnar battle to be anything less than a full wing, though. I'll have a real tally up as soon as I can. --Peter Farago 01:38, 9 December 2005 (EST)
- They didn't know about the CNP weakness yet. The purging didn't happen until they were at Ragnar, after the first sortie. Remember, it was the same time as Doral was accused of being a Cylon. --Talos 07:09, 9 December 2005 (EST)
- Perhaps, before the first sortie, Gaeta had the remaining Mark VIIs grounded as a precaution since he hears of the malfunctions from Dualla before the fight and makes the association with the CNP (he's bright that way). Or, yes, the Mark VIIs were gathered up in Roslin's search (most probable since Galactica should launch everything they had in sortie 1, and they would rather send Mark VII's than the museum pieces). --Spencerian 13:10, 9 December 2005 (EST)
- The squadron ready room would seem to imply a 20-ship squadron. There are 24 seats in the ready room, 20 pilots plus a few seats for guests like Apollo. Boomer and Helo were flying with the last Mk VII squadron so it would make sense that they would be there in the mini. --Talos 12:27, 13 December 2005 (EST)
- Perhaps, before the first sortie, Gaeta had the remaining Mark VIIs grounded as a precaution since he hears of the malfunctions from Dualla before the fight and makes the association with the CNP (he's bright that way). Or, yes, the Mark VIIs were gathered up in Roslin's search (most probable since Galactica should launch everything they had in sortie 1, and they would rather send Mark VII's than the museum pieces). --Spencerian 13:10, 9 December 2005 (EST)
- They didn't know about the CNP weakness yet. The purging didn't happen until they were at Ragnar, after the first sortie. Remember, it was the same time as Doral was accused of being a Cylon. --Talos 07:09, 9 December 2005 (EST)
- Maybe the Mk. VII wing wasn't sortied before Ragnar because the systems had to be stripped of Baltar's CNP. There are far too many Mk. VIIs in the Ragnar battle to be anything less than a full wing, though. I'll have a real tally up as soon as I can. --Peter Farago 01:38, 9 December 2005 (EST)
- Didn't Starbuck's lines in that scene imply that there were no operational fighters. I believe it was something along the lines of "pilots you got, but Vipers..." I think the Mk VIIs they have were straglers the RTFF picked up before they jumped to Ragnar. These could have been on patrol or something and met up with Colonial One et al. --Talos 00:03, 9 December 2005 (EST)
- The only problem with that is that the second squadron doesn't seem to show up until the battle at Ragnor. What was it doing all this time? If the count of MKVII's is under 20, it makes sense that the MKVII's at Ragnor were made up of a small group of spares that were put together onboard Galactica along with whatever refugees were picked up by Roslin's fleet. We know for sure that there were at least three MKVII's with that fleet that were shown onscreen.--Dallan007
Redundancy
Fleet Details
Designation: warship, battlestar type, original battlestar class (class name unknown).
Deployment: Formerly an element of the 75th Battlestar Group (BSG 75)
Current Status: One of two remaining Colonial military units. Galactica is commanded by William Adama.
Fleet Details Comments
The only piece of information in that block which is not mentioned before it is the membership is BSG 75; this was an oversight. I'll add mention of it in the paragraph before. The remainder is redundant and shockingly poor in formatting. --CalculatinAvatar 16:09, 19 April 2006 (CDT)
- Since you've been around and not commented, Merovingian, I'll pull it. --CalculatinAvatar 01:26, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
- I was busy. It's not redundant, and I am restoring it. --The Merovingian (C - E) 12:46, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
- What information does it contain that is not elsewhere in this article? --CalculatinAvatar 13:55, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
- Boxes provide quick and easy referrence. I mean, we wouldn't have a box listing ship class and armaments by that logic. It's fun, and makes it clearer. --The Merovingian (C - E) 14:24, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
- That's not a box. The info box made for the purpose does mention the designation and CO. The BSG 75 thing is at best a curiosity utterly unworthy of quick reference, not that I agree that randomly ordered sentence fragments are actually easier to skim. --CalculatinAvatar 14:36, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
- Boxes provide quick and easy referrence. I mean, we wouldn't have a box listing ship class and armaments by that logic. It's fun, and makes it clearer. --The Merovingian (C - E) 14:24, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
- Seemed pretty redundant to me. --Peter Farago 17:57, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
- What information does it contain that is not elsewhere in this article? --CalculatinAvatar 13:55, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
- I was busy. It's not redundant, and I am restoring it. --The Merovingian (C - E) 12:46, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
I still want to delete this. It taunts me in my dreams ...well, not quite, but I don't like it. --CalculatinAvatar(C-T) 22:36, 17 May 2006 (CDT)
Turrets
Galactica's defenses include an array of twenty-four large turret mounted, dual-role twin-cannons, and a multitude of smaller turret mounted twin-guns located between the Galactica's "ribs", along the flight pods. Together, these provide the Galactica with a flak field that acts as a defense perimeter against incoming hostiles (Miniseries, "Scattered"). In addition, the large cannons represent Galactica's main anti-capital ship weapon, and have been shown to be quite effective against targets like Basestars ("Resurrection Ship, Part II").
Turrets Comments
I don't mind the picture, though I don't think it adds much. It could be tied to the page simply as an illustration of "Armament" per the title of the larger section. The composition of the turret armament is discussed on the page for the type. The details on the positioning are slightly incorrect, anyway. That they produce flak is obvious; that the large guns are effective against basestars could be assumed, and, if it must be mentioned, should be mentioned on the page for the type. --CalculatinAvatar 16:09, 19 April 2006 (CDT)
- Agree. Galactica type battlestar should host details relevant to the ship class in general. Galactica (RDM) should host information only pertinent to the individual battlestar in question. --Peter Farago 19:46, 19 April 2006 (CDT)