Talk:Kara Thrace/Archive 1

As far as you actually see in the episode 'The Farm' there is only one new abdominal scar on Starbuck. This would suggest that only one of her ovaries has been removed, not two. The podcast may have more precise information, however.

The phrase "CAG Second in Command" is a kind of awkward consturction. Can anybody think of a better way to describe her role? Rocky8311 21:41, October 16, 2005 (EDT)

I don't believe that she actually has a title. She's an instructor and Viper pilot... and a crack shot with a sniper rifle. (How she got that talent is likely a subject of interest...) -- Joe Beaudoin 23:18, 16 October 2005 (EDT)

I agree on all counts. The thing is that we know she's understood to be in charge whenever Apollo is indisposed, but CAG Second in Command just doesn't sound quite right. I just don't know what would sound better Rocky8311 23:27, October 16, 2005 (EDT)

Senior pilot after Capt. Lee Adama? --Peter Farago 23:35, 16 October 2005 (EDT)

Vice-CAG? Philwelch 15:45, 8 December 2005 (EST)

Military wise, she would be the Air Group Executive Officer were she second in command of the pilots. Joemc72 17:34, 18 January 2006 (EST)

Verb Tense for Zak Stuff

I reviewed the standards and conventions page, and it seems like the Zak Adama stuff really deserved the past tense since it occured "prior to the Mini-Series". The example in the second paragraph references Zak's funeral, which seems to be a pretty fitting example to apply here. So does all the pre-mini-series go to past tense, or are we going to 100% present tense (in which case we'd probably need to change the standards and conventions page). --Steelviper 17:28, 18 January 2006 (EST)

We can change the standards if we want (I mean--wewrote tham, after all), but I think it makes sense... As I was editing that, I was already getting confused about tenses and such, and I only really touched the one paragraph. Joemc72 and I already sorted it out on my Talk page. --Day 17:31, 18 January 2006 (EST)

I went ahead and reverted it back. Joemc72 17:32, 18 January 2006 (EST)

SV is correct. Events from the miniseries on are present tense unless confusing. Flashbacks of events prior to miniseries and regular series should be worked as past tense. --Spencerian 09:10, 3 February 2006 (EST)

Paging Dr. Freud

In the miniseries, Thrace doesn't tell Adama she doesn't have a big enough dipstick for his job, but that she's not a big enough dipstick. It's one line, but this is an unintentionally funny rendering of the quote... if you consider all the folks who were against Starbuck being a girl... Below 16:20, 2 February 2006 (EST)

Thrace has authority issues when crossed, yes. Not as cavalier about it as the original Starbuck, but then, this is a darker world. When compelled to, however, Thrace can obviously manage the work, even excel. She's still second CAG, now that Adama has returned to that status, and can effectively lead an attack as CAGs do, title or no. Thrace does have the "dipstick"; but she HATES having to deal with mentalities like Tigh. But she hates being out of the pilot's seat more, which gives her a greater sense of control than anything. I'd have Thrace plan any attack, anytime. And, in keeping with the dipstick metaphor, you can always expect her to be on top in almost anything she does. --Spencerian 09:08, 3 February 2006 (EST)

Grin. I was thinking that an additional dimension to her authority issues was seen in the last few episodes. I think it would be interesting to integrate into this article if possible, but tonight's episode might have some more to say first. We know she had an abusive mother who served in the military, and identifies with her father. The Admiral is a positive father figure to her, but she's disgusted by Tigh, especially his drinking. (Was alcohol her mother's personal tinderbox?) Enter Cain. On the one hand, Cain identifies with Thrace and gives her positive reinforcement: eg Do you always get what you want, I usually do. In my viewing, Sackhoff plays it as being both nervous and touched by Cain's approval. (Her mother had said she'd never account to anything: here's a much higher ranking woman claiming that she's capable of greatness.) Pretty clear that Cain wants to mentor Thrace, and sees a "younger self" in the pilot. At the same time, it's not a stretch to parallel the violent, volatile Cain with Thrace's absent, abusive mother. (Michelle Forbes would be a really interesting Medea.) So Kara is being asked to choose between father figure Adama and mother figure Cain, and shooting Cain may feel like a kind of matricide. Usually when TV shows or movies set up a young character against "two parents," one good, one bad, it's a young man torn between two fathers or father figures (witness "A Bronx Tale," "Platoon," "Star Wars", many others), so it's interesting to see that dynamic with a young woman. One more reason I love watching this show. Below 11:18, 3 February 2006 (EST)

Oh yes; for the past few weeks I've been repeatedly asking on the official site's RDM blog thread if they intentionally wrote it that Starbuck was won over by Cain because it was like her mother giving her the recognition that she never got. Of course, I ask a lot of things there....(I was annoyed when in his recent blog update yesterday A) people sometimes ask questions he's already answered many months ago (like, "Where is Boxey" and "Why don't we see the engine room?"), so B) he didn't realize this (I don't blame him, he's got a lot of work to do) so he wasted a blog entry answering questions that were already answered....except one, btw; apparently, the Presidential election is coming up soon. Probably not by the season 2 finale, obviously, but I got the impression he's playing around with script stuff for it now, and who knows? It might be the season 3 cliffhanger...or at most the season 3 finale. This, of course, would prove that they have indeed jumped several months ahead (once again, how could 2 months pass during Flight of the Phoenix?...but I digress....). --Ricimer 11:46, 3 February 2006 (EST)

How, you ask? Easily. See, all that we saw on the show was actually in fast forward... See, for that month, Bill had decided that everyone was to do everything at one sixth of normal speed... Thus, all that took two months. I thought that was obvious. *wink* --Day 03:01, 4 February 2006 (EST)

Scar

What's with the "Kara is CAG in Scar" business? It looked like Apollo was still in charge to me. --Redwall 00:27, 4 February 2006 (EST)

Kara was responsible for briefings and I'm pretty sure I heard her referred to as CAG a few times in the episode. --Ltcrashdown 00:29, 4 February 2006 (EST)

Negative, Lieutenant. Kat said to Kara, "The CAG wants us spread out so we can cover more ground. It's right here in the briefings." I'm pretty sure that's accurate, anyway. Someone check me. Anyway, I thought it was clear she was talking about Lee. Now... Why was she doing all the briefings? I have no idea... I thought for a bit that maybe Lee was on Pegasus doing some kind of fleet-wide-CAG duties, but Peggie was off protecting the Fleet, so he'd probably not be jumping back and forth to almost have sex with Kara and all that. --Day 02:56, 4 February 2006 (EST)

Because Lee has seniority over Kara (both are Captains, but he's been one longer, etc) he is in charge of their whole widescale operation. I mean, the guy can't be awake 24 horus a day and be everywhere at once. He needs to delegate duties now and again like this. --Ricimer 02:59, 4 February 2006 (EST)