Talk:Revelations/Archive2

A "Lt. Gonzo Pike" is also listed on the casting sheet for "The Ties That Bind" for what it's worth. --Serenity 06:01, 18 November 2007 (CST)

The convention report attributes the forest scenes to episode 11. Since other reports state that they have shut down after episode 13, this like means that they are the same by episode numbers. "Revelations" is episode 10 however! --Serenity 01:57, 20 November 2007 (CST)

Here's the thing though... is Katee counting "Razor" as one episode? If so, then that makes "Revelations" episode 11, by her count. Also, about 4.13... it seems that there are only 10 episodes "in the can", as far as I can determine. Also, production numbers can be taken out of order; it's happened before to series such as Babylon 5 and even the original BSG. So, 4.13... Is that episode 11, or is that part of episode 10, which may be extended? Plus we have two missing episodes that are unaccounted for, 4.07 and 4.09.

To be honest, it's a bit confusing. LOL -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 09:55, 21 November 2007 (CST)

Right. Counting "Razor" as one episode makes this correct again. That's probably the case. --Serenity 11:36, 21 November 2007 (CST)

4.0 finale?

Is this the finale to the first half of the season? OTW 21:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd venture a "yes". Not only is the episode #10 out of 20 (excluding "Razor"), but the SciFi Channel doesn't list it either on the site in general or on their schedule. --Mars 12:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

It's the mid-season cliffhanger... Should add that to the notes. :) -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 16:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Advance screening

Since the episode apparently has an advance screening tomorrow, maybe we should lock the article. I vaguely I recall that a similar screening resulted in the episode summary or analysis to be written. That's not so bad, but we have no way to verify the stuff. Plus, I don't think we should spoil it for everyone just because a handful of people have seen the episode already. It's probably not that likely that there will be massive edits, but taking precautions doesn't hurt. Someone might also read spoilers somewhere else and try to add them here. -- Serenity 18:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe you are referring to "Razor". And, well, despite the advanced screening any content from it is still considered a spoiler, since it hasn't made a nation-wide airing. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 18:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah yes, Razor. That was just an internet leak though and we could easily obtain a copy as well. That's not the case with a theater screening. -- Serenity 18:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, if you recall, it was also screened in certain markets about a week before the air date. :) -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 18:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Location on earth

To me the location on earth looked a bit like the ruins of Ellis Island with New York City in the backround. Am I way off? --Laisak 10:31, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

It's Brooklyn. Check it out.--Werthead 11:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

You are right. I didn't think that was a bridge, just a girder. --Laisak 12:02, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

5th Cylon

“Is Number Three honest in her claim that there are only four of the Final Five in the Fleet? If so, where is the fifth and last Cylon? If she's lying, is it because she still harbors distrust for her compatriots and the humans?”

Perhaps the 5th is already on the Basestar? Nerull 13:39, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Were there any other major characters except Baltar and Roslin? Roslin is pretty much ruled out by the joke Five made. --Laisak 13:59, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Karl Agathon was still on the baseship, but he's human, as far as we know. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 16:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, this is weird. Are there any major characters anywhere else? I mean, there are three Cylon models + Boomer in the Cylon fleet but they're not exactly good candidates. Did we leave someone behind somewhere? Surely, the final Cylon isn't dead. It has to be a major character. I guess it has to be one of Helo/Roslin/Baltar. I think that Roslin would be the most likely of those. The 3's question could have been meant in earnest. Haukurth 15:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm stretching this, but the five are supposed to find the way to earth. Chief, Sam and Tigh find the Viper (this could also make Starbuck a Cylon) and Roslin gives the final go for jump. There is a problem with Tory, she does nothing. --Laisak 14:09, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Tory can't do anything because the call summons her to Galactica, where Starbuck's Viper is. Obviously, she's disconnected from the rest of the Four, so she has the adverse reaction. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 16:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

What about Hera? D'anna was only "interested" in the four, and that way opened the door for another less important (for now) cylon......

Earth - Speculation

Kara Thrace is the harbinger of death, according to the hybrid. She is also the only character we know has been to Earth. What if she triggered a series of events that led to the destruction of the 13th tribe? She probably isn't the 5th, but she's something else. I think she's playing the character of Krishna for those of you who've read Bhagavad Gita, but at the same time her connections to the arrow of Apollo make me think she might be Arjuna. In either case, her counterpart would be the 5th.

What is hard to explain is her viper. How does it explode visibly and then come back in mint condition in the nebula? Vipers don't have FTL either, so everything seems weird.

• International Space Station and satellites probably wouldn't be affected by nuclear war
• They can't all be dead - there's got to be somebody alive from the 13th tribe.
• New York, sure, but who would waste a nuke on New Jersey? (*grin*)

--Smari 14:45, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

ISS and other spacecraft in low-earth orbit will see their orbits decay within a decade (or even less) due to atmospheric drag without periodic reboosts (the demise of Skylab in 1979 is a perfect example of this). Even satellites in pretty high Earth orbit will fall back to Earth within a few hundred years - assuming that a significantly long time has elapsed since whatever happened on Earth, the only stuff left in orbit will be stuff out at the Clarke (geosynchronous) orbit.

--Qprmeteor 15:10, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps, but not much time has passed in the fleet, yet the plants growing on the ruins suggest the event was a long time ago. However, there was a time discrepancy associated with Kara's previous visit.

--Xlynx 16:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Locating Earth based on just a bearing

There's a comment made in the main article stating that making a precision jump based solely on a bearing seems unlikely. It doesn't seem to me like this would necessarily be the case. Based on the bearing, Galactica should be able to scan in that direction, looking for solar systems. From there, they could scan for inhabitable planets. Assuming they truly are in our solar system, that narrows it down to one planet. We know that Colonial FTLs are capable of some extremely precise jumps, so jumping into orbit doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.

The part that seems unlikely to me is that the fleet has been haphazardly stumbling around all this time jumping from point to point, several hundred jumps from the 12 Colonies. Now the Fleet is within jump range of Earth, without even knowing exactly where they were going.

--Scionic 16:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't think the Fleet jumped from their position to Earth in one jump. Getting to Earth probably took many jumps, which is what Lee meant when he said his course would have to be corrected as they went. The writers just skipped all these intermediate jumps and cut straight ahead to the final one. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 22:00, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Even given that, it would be more believable to jump somewhere into the solar system rather than directly into orbit on the final jump. That's really just dramatic license. However, as said above, it makes sense that they would use astronomical readings to determine the location of star systems in the direction. But, it wouldn't be the usual generic, faster-than-light sci-fi scans. BSG's stellar navigation is mostly more in line with real astronomy, i.e. using passive readings -- Serenity 23:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

In watching the episode again, it looks like they very well might be inside the Sol System for their final jump, presumably to save time/fuel instead of slogging their away across the system at sublight. The last establishing shot of the fleet before the final jump shows a yellow star, fairly close. This is presumably our Sun. Plus, I have to say I disagree on the method of stellar navigation. For general in-system navigation and plotting, passive systems would make sense, but for FTL jumps (which have been indicated to be many light-years long), sci-fi faster-than-light scans would almost be necessary. Otherwise they'd be jumping into a region of space based on a scan that is many months or even years old. It would be like mounting an FTL drive on my car, and jumping into the middle of a busy freeway based on a picture I took a couple weeks ago - I could very well jump into the middle of another car, jump into a location that no longer exists, etc. --Scionic 06:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Is it Earth at all?

Is the planet actually Earth? No recognisable land masses are visible from orbit, unlike in "Crossroads, Part II". The ruins look vaguely like Brooklyn and the Temple of Aurora, but it's inconclusive. The only thing conclusive is the star patterns match. Perhaps this is another pointer along the way. -- Xlynx 16:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

The scriptures say the dying leader wasn't supposed to survive to see their new home, although that's making two assumptions - that the dying leader is Roslin and the new home is the planet. --Xlynx 23:27, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

"Inductive reasoning is the death of philosophy". You can never prove anything definitively based on observed evidence, but I'd be willing to bet my house (if I owned one) on that being Earth. Aside from the many, many on-screen things, it would be a huge slap in the face to viewers if this was just Terra or something. Consider that the writers have set up this exquisite concept that in the near future civilisation is destroyed, only for it to be revealed that this is just some arbitrary planet. (Plus a few spoilers for episodes ahead do say this is Earth). Sometimes a spade is just a desolute, lifeless and radioactive spade. OTW 23:43, 15 June 2008 (UTC)