Talk:Callandra Tyrol/Archive 1

I just thought of this: in going with the Classical-themed names, maybe her full/real name's Calliope. Kuralyov 20:43, 28 Apr 2005 (EDT)

New Look

The last page was mostly garbage, opinion and things unverified. The new page has information that came directly from the episodes, and is accurate.

But this picture is horrible...much too dark. I'll see if I cna find a better one. Kuralyov 17:39, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT)

I added a picture. Actually, I had uploaded it, but forgot to add it to the article the first time around. Let me know your thoughts and concerns about it. -- Joe Beaudoin 11:32, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Looks good to me. Kuralyov 17:39, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)

I think it needs a better picture, one of the ones of her smiling on the flight deck. This is the one of her looking sad during Adama's speech. ---Ricimer, 25 Aug 2005

First Name

According to the novelization of the miniseries, her first name is "Jane". --Peter Farago 19:35, 29 December 2005 (EST)

I noticed this myself, but I didn't put it up because I don't know if that is canonical. I mean according to the novelization she was also in a relationship with Prosna; I think a lot of this is just "made up" by the writer and not associated with RDM in any shape or form. I need to get around to making a full write-up of the novelization. Updates as I get them. 5x5. --Ricimer 20:35, 29 December 2005 (EST)

Possibly a nod to B7

Since "Number Six" may be a nod to Prisoner, it may be that "Cally" is a nod to the eponymous telepath on "Blake's Seven," another tough-edged science fiction series. Below 16:26, 2 February 2006 (EST)

No. I was unaware that Cally was a character name on Blake's 7, but Ron D. Moore stated in the DVD commentary for "Bastille Day" that he picked the names of Cally, Socinus, and Prosna from an internet "Random ancient name generator". I actually had that in my transcript of the DVD commentary. Someone saw fit to remove it. I thought that was okay, but I guess I'll look at the history page and restore it now. --Ricimer 16:37, 2 February 2006 (EST)

I doubt that this is a nod to B7... Unless Avon and Vila show up with Servalan at their heels. :-) -- Joe Beaudoin 22:05, 2 February 2006 (EST)

Time for a Cally romance

She's been in the background for too long. I enjoyed her early development, but it's slacked off to where she just seemed bitter. Cally was a perky upbeat person with a creative streak, and the attack (as did all characters) changed her. Not that I want Cally to become the Whore of the Battlestar, but it would be fun for, say, her and Gaeta to strike a rapport (if not romantic as Gaeta can be a bigger stickler of regs, even with the need to make babies). There's plenty of enlisted; perhaps even she and the chief, Laird...others from Pegasus. I don't want her to become a lost character as Billy K had become. --Spencerian 13:41, 14 February 2006 (EST)

Be careful what you wish for. All the people who were asking, "Where's Billy?" probably didn't like the answer they got in Sacrifice... --Steelviper 13:46, 14 February 2006 (EST)

Spencerian, as I dutifully selected representative of the cult-following that Nicki "Cally" Clyne has amassed (me and some of the other regulars on the messageboard are obsessed with her: Solium and Nibblerfan made the fanart and run things, while I wrote up our "thesis" of why Cally is great (read it on the site); basically because I think she's the "Anti-Seven of Nine" and embodies many of the character traits postulated by Naturalistic science fiction, and in short, just like after so much Voyager and Enterprise, there was a backlash with the fans and we all left for BSG, after so much Seven of Nine and T'Pol, there was a backlash in favor of Cally. So it turned into a craze, and they kind of realized how popular she was, gave her more to do in season 2, etc.) Anyway, when you say "she's in the backround"...that's just these past few episodes. *****Watch the spoiler pics for "Lay Down Your Burdens", she's going to have ***BIG*** things happening, not to meantion, the Tyrol-Cally- Galactcia-Boomer triangle taking place. No, she does not "just seem bitter", I don't know what you're talking about. She was cool in FotP and Pegasus.

I'm sorry, but it doesn't seem that you've been obsessing over her for as long and in depth as much as we have; Gaeta is just a random name to say; rather, we've narrowed it down to two possible relationships: 1) Chief Tyrol 2) Seelix: Cally saved her life, so it would be really logical for her to be friends with Cally. Heck, like Cally, Racetrack, Helo, etc. Seelix was supposed to be a one-shot character (without even a name) but they liked her so they brought her back for FotP.

Further, this is totally incomparable to Billy. I already thought of Billy as an underused character by the early episodes of season 2, and I didn't really like him, while CALLY was just great!

Cally is not underused. Dualla is more underused than Cally. I like Cally more than Dualla, she's gotten more meaningful development, I think Apollo/Dualla is the most poorly executed storyline the show has ever produced, and frankly, everyone posting on the messageboards has generally been saying "wow....Dualla is not well developed and annoying....and I wish they were talking about Cally"

Things may have focused on other characters for the middle of Season 2.5, but I assure you Spencerian, this post is unwarranted, from the spoilers I've seen for the season finale; "all is proceeding according to PLAN!...."--The Merovingian 16:43, 14 February 2006 (EST)

Well, it's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Out of respect, of course, I presume you're disagreeing with my comments and not the right to post. My post is quite warranted--I want to see more Cally. Anywho...Hopefully the "big" things at season's end don't involve her shooting anyone or getting shot. Dualla is getting a bit more screen time, but seems more like a damsel, which is a shame. I would like BSG to have an episode like Babylon 5's "A View from the Gallery," where we see some day-to-day events with our lesser but pet favorite characters, like Cally, Seelix, Tyrol, Gaeta, Kat, Hot Dog, and especially Racetrack (don't know what she does to me, but she does). And what's with the lazy talk formatting of your comments? Do I have to call the Mop Boy to come clean up again...? --Spencerian 18:53, 14 February 2006 (EST)

Several points:

1) By not means; of course I wasn't attacking your right to post this etc., I'm just debating the comments, etc.

2)....You refer to him as "The Boy", now?

3)That's a better way of putting my Dualla complaints: she has little characterization on her own; first she was defined mostly by her relationship with Billy, and now she's kind of just devolving into the "prize" of Apollo. I don't like where her character is degenerating. That said, I like the actress and she is more than capable of good stuff, I just think that Dualla's handling, case in point the Apollo/Dualla Dualla is meant as a reward for him thing, was one of the few wrong this with the show; it was kind of good in theory (when RDM talked about it in the Resistance and FotP podcasts, etc.), but the way it just sprung up now was just so poorly executed. I mean, just walking up to him in "Black Market" and going "hey, so we have a relationship, right?" (shudder); Sacrifice was better, but she was mostly damsel in distress, and further, her opennign dialog with Apollo "weren't that great" ("wow, that moment was...electric", etc. and "I can't quite figure You out Apollo"), again, my whole thing just being "wow, they never had a relationship before. This came about completely randomly, and they're acting as if it was some longstanding thing. The actors make a good job of it as best they can, but I really just want them to drop this relationship in season three"., etc.

4)Yes, I've alwas wanted another "View from the Gallery"/"Lower Decks" episode. Oh, Flight of the Phoenix was KIND OF like that, but I'd like more of it. Racetrack is also cool too. The reason I like Racetrack and also Duck is because they're such downers and pessimistic/pragmatic, i.e. like normal people. Sort of, you notice how on Star Trek often times even in really bad situations everyone tends to still be cheerful and optimistic? Well, logically, more of the pilots and civilians and regular people should be a little distraught at their situation. None too happy or perky, like Dr. Cottle, etc. Racetrack is indeed cool. I wish we'd finally have Helo in a Raptor again, paired with Racetrack etc.; not enough Raptor team stuff lately. But my pet project, "wishlist" episode, is like, TNG had "Data's Day" so why not "Cally's Day" or "Tyrol's Day", which focus entirely on like Tyrol (in which case Cally would be a main character), etc. etc. etc.

5) Giving Cally armor and Katanas etc. doesn't really work. The point of why Cally is cool (the Anti-Seven of Nine) is that she's not some cliche scifi female warrior, kick-ass Lara Croft type She has to use a rifle in early season 2, she's totally inexperienced, distraught and out of her element. Shooting Galactica-Boomer did really seem in character and GREAT though, as she cares about the Chief and would hate her for hurting him. I must say, it was one of those PERFECT tv moments where you go "I had NO IDEA that was going to happen....yet it was entirely logical, and I SHOULD HAVE seen it coming"....like when Cardassia joined the Dominion in Deep Space Nine, I was totally shocked, but realized that it was so logical, I should have seen it coming but didn't. --The Merovingian 19:14, 14 February 2006 (EST)

Uh. Hello, suh. I'll just be gettin' to work, then. *mops Merv's face* Bit of a mess in here, it is. *mops Spence's face* --Day 07:24, 15 February 2006 (EST)

Cally Tyrol?

Since Cally's now Tryol's wife, should we concider giving her his last name in the article, or just wait and see until its confirmed on screen or in dialouge? -- Kahran 01:41, 12 March 2006 (CST)

In the novelization, Cally is her surname. --Peter Farago 01:58, 12 March 2006 (CST)

Oh, now that's interesting. -- Kahran 04:22, 12 March 2006 (CST)

We also don't know for sure that Tyrol and Cally are married (or even that Tyrol is the father of her child). --Redwall 08:35, 12 March 2006 (CST)

Given that they were building up the Cally/Tyrol relationship in Act 1, I think it's obviously implied to be his. As for "married", well he's a really religious man (a Gemenon, son of a priest, etc.) I mean, if he is having a baby with Cally, you think they wouldn't be married but our lovable morons Anders and Starbuck are?--~

The implication is strong, but it's not crystal clear enough to note here without a hedge. I'm pretty sure we'll get a real confirmation in October. --Peter Farago 13:19, 12 March 2006 (CST)

I agree with the implication of them being married. However, that doesn't mean Cally will be taking Galen Tyrol's last name unless they say so. There are a lot of married couples nowadays that don't follow the "Western" tradition of the wife taking the husband's last name. You can't assume that the colonials all follow the same tradition. Will Starbuck be called Kara Anders? Probably for the continuouty of the show, probably not. -- Straycat0 09:41, 15 March 2006 (MST)

With confirmation that Cally is married, we face a little problem in that this article uses the character's first name throughout, instead of the last name per convention. I'm OK on it because of the limited data we had to date, but we should consider the need to conventionize this article. --Spencerian 11:17, 15 September 2006 (CDT)

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