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I think the "fan estimate" of 6-8 Viper squads is off. According to http://galactica.tv/colonials/galacticatv.shtml, the Galactica had only 2 Viper squadrons. Since it was a museum ship, it's possible this is less than the usual complement.
-- John Reese
Hi John,
Thanks for contributing! It's nice to see that the site's picking up now!
Actually, there are bits of information on the Galactica.tv (or Galactica2003.tv) website that are suspect, such as Tigh's first name being "Paul", as opposed to the canonized "Saul". We mainly use the episodes for canonical information; the Zoic, as the Colonial Archivist (Ernestborg9) can tell you, is mainly conjecture unless canonical info shows up to disprove it.
However, Battlestars in general carry 6-8 sqads; Galactica does carry two. (Or did, as I'm sure that the Galactica is now left with, at most, one full squadron of Mark IIs from the Mini-Series, over the course of the series.)
- Joe
Other Battlestars
Since the encounter of the Pegasus we have learned of another type of Battlestar, will this page be edited in regard of this?
Another point is the appearence of the Galactica before the ship has been refitted after the war. Is it clear that it had the appearance of the orginal show or is this unclear?
Hardwing
- I've updated the page to reflect that this page deals primarily with the original battlestar class, of which Galactica is a member. I added a note on Pegasus and her class. There is a page for the Mercury-class battlestar, which could be edited and updated as this one as we get more technical information on that ship class. Note that only battlestars mentioned in an episode are canon; the rest technically may be made-up until then. Spencerian 19:00, 26 September 2005 (EDT)
Armament Details
- With 512 Point-Defense Turrets, thats 1024 PD Guns, and from onscreen evidence, the Rounds Per Minute is atleast 90 or more. (fan estimation.)
- Assuming a firing rate of 2 rounds per second, thats 120 rounds per minute, and from all turrets equates to 122,880 rounds per minute. 2048 rounds per second. Thats alot. (fan estimation.)
- Considering a raider has been shown to be destroyed with around 4-10 direct hits, this means that should raiders enter the firing solution, would take only a few seconds to get blown up. If targetted by the PD turrets, less then a second. It would take a single turret 1 second to destroy a raider. That isn't accounting for maneuverability of the raider however. (fan estimation.)
- Also, with 24 Rail gun turrets, thats, 48 rail gun , Barrels, if you will. Atleast 960 Rounds per minute (1 round per 3 seconds)
- Onscreen evidence shows around 1 round firing per 2-3 seconds (please correct if wrong). Going with the 1 round-2 seconds, you get a single turret firing in a minute, 60 rounds. times that by 24 and you come to 1,440 rounds per minute.
- Due the turrets being "rail guns", the rounds go much faster then the rounds fired from the PD turrets. This means that a single hit to a raider should destroy it due to the kenetic energy imparted to the raider. If this is true, then a battlestar, with accurate aiming, could take out 1,440 raiders in a minute. Thats like, double the estimated capacity of a basestar! Thats if every shot is a direct hit.
This is interesting. Do you have a source for: the number of point-defense turrets, the number of rail guns, and the existance of rail guns (on-screen evidence indicates a three-rail design, which is inconsistant with the physics of a rail gun)? I don't think any of those things have been shown or mentioned on screen yet.
This line of inquiry might enable us to speculate on the Battlestar's total ammo store, if we can derive our estimates from good data. However, the concept of a Basestar sending two raider wings directly into Galactica's firing solution is a little silly. Galactica's firing solution has been used to provide cover for vipers and screen the ship from nukes, not to target enemy fightercraft directly. --Peter Farago 11:55, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
- Aramaments - Defensive
- 24 x primary railgun turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece)
- 512 x point-defense turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece)
- Aramaments - Defensive
- according to the wiki entry.
- also pictures on there show the existance of the rail guns. 8 ontop. 8 on the under side of the 'crocodile head', and 8 on the underbelly.
- the Rate of Fire is all my doing however.
- can someone get me a short video of when the ship actually fires? cuz im actualy needing this much detail for something im doing (and using this wiki as a reference for).
- its guessing though i counted erm, 498 turrets myself.
- and worked out for that too , ive got those calculations somewhere.
- keeping in mind some of the personnel guns they have, that fire ate more-then-1-round-per-second (in some cases. for instance a gattling gun, while not seen onscreen they likely have one, what with theyre parralels with earth tech)..
- its more then realistic RoF for each turret no?
- asfor the rail gun RoF
- on second thought,
- ill need to re-examine the footage of the rail guns firing.
- theyre not said to be rail guns but theres a shot somewhere of 4 turrets , that resemble the rail guns, firing.
- ok ill stop now.
- thx for the, well, not going mad :)
- edit - oh sos forget this: --Alex mcpherson 12:26, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
- Be careful when citing unsourced fan-estimates in your calculations. I don't think those stats on turret count should even be there without a source. This article needs some serious cleanup in that regard. As for rate of fire, that can probably be estimated by frame-stepping through the relevant effects scenes in the miniseries. --Peter Farago 12:39, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
- Shall I upload my modified pics of the underbelly, top and side somewhere and link them in here for others to count? i can link to both the unmodified and the modified versions so people can compare each individual one. and asfor the frame-stepping, is there a scene of the galactica firing, upclose in the first 5 episodes? --Alex mcpherson 14:04, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
- I think it would be better for you to upload it to your own web space if possible and then post links here, if that's possible. It would be interesting to see. Close-ups on Galactica's guns firing can be found in the mini-series, and I believe the footage was reused in "33". --Peter Farago 16:57, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
- I just wanted to point out that the Galactica has 20 heavy turrets, not 24. There are eight on each of the dorsal and ventral sides and four under the nose of the fore-section. You can see these on the Zoic high-res pictures of the Big G. --Talos 19:53, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
- I uploaded a picture to show what I mean. --Talos 20:09, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
- Excellent. Can the smaller guns also be seen on the elevations? --Peter Farago 20:29, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
- Yes, especially on the flight pod. There are other batteries along the top and bottom of the fore-section split, the top of the central hull, below the flight pods, and along both upper and lower engine pods. These are just the ones I've found though. I'll upload the other ortho views now. --Talos 22:35, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
- Actualy i can show you where the extra 4 come from!!! they are partially hidden . 2 on either side on the crocidile head. the hull plating left on either side of the underbelly, look there and youll see the other 4. *smiles like a know-it-all. --Alex mcpherson 01:19, 29 September 2005 (EDT)
- If you mean the ones visible in the ventral elevation, I think Talos was including those in his count. --Peter Farago 01:35, 29 September 2005 (EDT)
- those are fully visible. theres 4 at the very front and 2 either side of the underbelly partially visible. ill upload the pic when i get the change.
- No need, I see them. Odd place for them, their range of motion must be quite constrained. --Peter Farago 01:39, 29 September 2005 (EDT)
- those are fully visible. theres 4 at the very front and 2 either side of the underbelly partially visible. ill upload the pic when i get the change.
- If you mean the ones visible in the ventral elevation, I think Talos was including those in his count. --Peter Farago 01:35, 29 September 2005 (EDT)
- Actualy i can show you where the extra 4 come from!!! they are partially hidden . 2 on either side on the crocidile head. the hull plating left on either side of the underbelly, look there and youll see the other 4. *smiles like a know-it-all. --Alex mcpherson 01:19, 29 September 2005 (EDT)
- Yes, especially on the flight pod. There are other batteries along the top and bottom of the fore-section split, the top of the central hull, below the flight pods, and along both upper and lower engine pods. These are just the ones I've found though. I'll upload the other ortho views now. --Talos 22:35, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
- Excellent. Can the smaller guns also be seen on the elevations? --Peter Farago 20:29, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
- I uploaded a picture to show what I mean. --Talos 20:09, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
- I just wanted to point out that the Galactica has 20 heavy turrets, not 24. There are eight on each of the dorsal and ventral sides and four under the nose of the fore-section. You can see these on the Zoic high-res pictures of the Big G. --Talos 19:53, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
- I think it would be better for you to upload it to your own web space if possible and then post links here, if that's possible. It would be interesting to see. Close-ups on Galactica's guns firing can be found in the mini-series, and I believe the footage was reused in "33". --Peter Farago 16:57, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
- (okay all these colons are really making this page long vertically. go 3-4-5-3 etc lol. anyway. ive uploaded to imageshack the pic so if anyone wants to count them and compare like i did go ahead. erm its 6:45am and had 3 hours sleep so , i forgot, how do i link? lol. img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bottomguns8ns.jpg (edit into a link for us. cheers) btw the pic is huge. --Alex mcpherson 01:44, 29 September 2005 (EDT)
- Shall I upload my modified pics of the underbelly, top and side somewhere and link them in here for others to count? i can link to both the unmodified and the modified versions so people can compare each individual one. and asfor the frame-stepping, is there a scene of the galactica firing, upclose in the first 5 episodes? --Alex mcpherson 14:04, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
- Be careful when citing unsourced fan-estimates in your calculations. I don't think those stats on turret count should even be there without a source. This article needs some serious cleanup in that regard. As for rate of fire, that can probably be estimated by frame-stepping through the relevant effects scenes in the miniseries. --Peter Farago 12:39, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
- Man, those large turrets are well hidden. I did not see them until now. You can also see the long line of small turrets along the edges of the main body. Look at the red markings on the bottom and go straight down until you reach the edge. You'll see them. --Talos 06:20, 29 September 2005 (EDT)
This Article Needs Work
Who will join me in stripping this article of non-canon information and clearly labelling sources? --Peter Farago 19:07, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
- A challenge, but I like that. Perhaps we can move the Zoic information to a new page, as it is close to canon as we've got since they are part of the production process, although little of their info can be collaborated yet. We probably need to have this page moved to "Original Battlestar" or "Battlestar (RDM)" or somehow disamb it. Or, just offload the TOS info to another page. In a way I'm also big on placing the tech stats with the other technology pages to keep it easy to edit and read for both pages. Spencerian 22:28, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
- We should definitely namespace it into Battlestar (TOS), Battlestar (VG), Battlestar (RDM). Also, we could split the RDM article into "Battlestar" as a general concept, and the unnamed Galactica-class battlestar specifically - think Aircraft carrier, Yorktown class aircraft carrier, Nimitz class aircraft carrier.
- Lastly, we must find an actual link to the Zoic source on all these details if we're going to keep them. --Peter Farago 00:22, 29 September 2005 (EDT)
- That sounds good. I should be able to do the heavy work of moving data from the general "Battlestar" page to new pages for TOS and RDM battlestars and classes we know, and each of these pages will have links to their appropriate TOS or RDM named battlestar page. I may not strike the Zoic stuff yet, but at least by moving matters to separate pages, it will be much more manageable. Spencerian 18:28, 29 September 2005 (EDT)
The heavy work is done. This article has become a disamb page for all battlestar information. Unfortunately I did not properly move the Galactica page to Galactica (RDM), but created a new page instead. The content of the new page is OK, but the Galactica page should redirect to Galactica (RDM) to keep its history. There are several new pages that link from this page. The Pegasus (RDM) page deserved an article of its own, while Pegasus TOS had only a few lines that were merged into Battlestar (TOS). The new Galactica RDM class has Battlestar (RDM) for that general information. Mercury-class was moved to Mercury-class Battlestar (RDM) to keep its history and keep article consistency. Galactica has a TOS and RDM page (note earlier screw up) as well as Battlestars of TOS. I hope this aids greatly in keeping mixed information from becoming a bother. This does create bad links throughout, but the primary ones to catch are Galactica (which should redirect to Galactica (RDM) unless on a TOS area), Pegasus (which should go to Pegasus (RDM) if new, or Battlestar (TOS) if not). Comments, criticizm and help are appreciated. Spencerian 13:32, 30 September 2005 (EDT)