Talk:Pegasus (TRS)/Archive 1

Holy frak!!! Look at the SIZE of that thing! I love the look of this advanced battlestar, and hope we get a few more good looks at her and how good a fighter it is--but not against Adama, please. Pictures, pictures, pictures needed, particularly interior shots as well. Spencerian 00:46, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

I think we should reference that it bears a similar shape of the original Galactica. QX100 16:32, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

Don't all Battlestars? Or do you mean more similar than the new Galactica herself? --Peter Farago 22:40, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

What I Meant was that the pegasus and all ships in the Mercury-class have the same bulky resemblence of the Battlestars from the original series. QX100 22:48, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

Well, if you look at the end portion in that one pic, you can see the 2 hull-mounted engines which is the original structure of the battlestar in the original series and it seems like the 4 other sublight engines are "attached" to it. Blacklight

Fleet unit

I couldn't make it out - I believe the Pegasus was assigned to the 62nd Battlestar Group, but I can't be sure. Kuralyov 13:34, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

Pegasus Battle Group

It belonged to BSG 62

That's what I pointed out on the 87th BSG page before it got deleted. --Talos 07:56, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

That's what it looks like to me as well. I think that we should move the BSG 75 page to just "BSG" and note it there, though, not on its own page. --Peter Farago 10:56, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

Its BSG 62...not BSG63.--Strato

the CNP

Did pegasus have it and when do you think they got rid of it? --Alex mcpherson 13:02, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

Ron Moore's podcast mentions that in a cut scene, Cain explains that their computer systems were offline for the refit. --Peter Farago 16:50, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

Actually, that scene was in the aired show when Adama, Roslin, and Cain sat down over drinks. Cain indicated they the ship jumped since, without the other computers, they were defenseless--the only thing online, apparently, were the navigation and/or FTL computers. Does this mean that Pegasus never had the CNP? They probably did. I bet they learned quickly and retrofit their ships immediately as they likely got the same information about the fleet's failure rates over wireless as did Galactica. It would have been impossible for Pegasus to fight Cylons otherwise. Spencerian 17:22, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

The CNP was quite new at the time of the mini-series. Maybe it was scheduled to be installed during the refit. --Peter Farago 18:44, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

Thats all i needed to know. so Mercury-class dont have it for those that hadnt been refitted yet. that means there could be other battlestars out there..

This is only speculation on my part. Spencerian's explanation is also plausible. --Peter Farago 01:37, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

Gina's Origin

Gina's origin was never stated in the episode. I know that this was widely speculated on spoiler sites prior to the episode, but that doesn't count for much. Maybe we'll learn more about her later. --Peter Farago 19:59, 1 October 2005 (EDT)

In the Gina section of wiki states and I quote, "Gina is a Humano-Cylon who was "rescued" by the Pegasus, claiming to be a survivng civilian dock worker. After befriending the crew, she betrayed them to the Cylons, whom summarily boarded the Pegasus and terminated 800 of her crew. " That was why I put that in. --Blacklight

Believe it or not, we're not actually a very reliable source. I'll fix that up. --Peter Farago 23:45, 1 October 2005 (EDT)

Pegasus Fleet

Should we post information on Pegasus's fleet in the Pegasus article? I know we don't know very much so far, except that there were 15 ships and one of them was the Scylla, but it stands to reason that we'll probably learn about some of the other ships as the new season progresses and if we get to meet other civilian crew members of Pegasus.--Ltcrashdown 01:51, 7 January 2006 (EST)

Best place, as I see it. Probably less confusing here than The Fleet. --Peter Farago 01:59, 7 January 2006 (EST)

I definately agree on that front. The 15 ships certainly won't be showing up to join the fleet so there's no reason to include them there. I'll add the info we already know about the ships (aside from the mutiny stuff which we can add later).--Ltcrashdown 02:12, 7 January 2006 (EST)

In the process of adding info on the Pegasus fleet, Ricimer added his own details. Rather than rudely delete his comments, I'm just going to post what I wrote here, sot hat it doesn't go to waste. I'll probably incorporate some of what I wrote into the current article later, but for now I'd like to leave it here. Hope that's not a problem.--Ltcrashdown 02:24, 7 January 2006 (EST)

Shortly after the Fall of the Twelve Colonies, Pegasus picked up 15 civilian ships which Admiral Cain sought to exploit for military use. Some of the passengers were drafted into ther Pegasus's crew, while just about any useful equipment and parts were stripped from the craft.

The ships included:

The Scylla - civilian transport

14 other ships of unknown design

An interesting note about the ships of Pegasus's short-lived fleet was that several of them had weapons which were later removed on Admiral Cain's orders.

Also, the FTL drives on the ships were removed, but for unknown use (it can be assumed that the FTL drives would probably be too small for Pegasus and too big for Vipers/Raptors, so maybe they were used for parts in the event that the FTL of the Pegasus or a Raptor might break down, Note that this is pure speculation).

Pegasus Images

There's a ton of close up Pegasus shots in the file list that aren't being used. Flyby's, zoomins on various components, etc. Should we use some of them here (or elsewhere)? I'm on something of a campaign to clean up (delete) pics that aren't being used (due to this discussion), and this was the biggest pattern I could find. If they're worth keeping around, I won't object, but it seems like if they were worth using they would have been linked to (especially since some of them have been around since September).--Steelviper 17:29, 16 January 2006 (EST)

It might be sensible to list them by subject and see if any of them can be used in picture-wanting articles before we trash them all. Worth the effort? --Peter Farago 18:24, 16 January 2006 (EST)

Sure. I'll work on an "Island of Misfit Images" to see if we can't find a home for them. --Steelviper 08:28, 17 January 2006 (EST)

Vipers

What about vipers? What model do they have? --PhoenixHacker 20:47, 16 January 2006 (EST)

Mark IVs. As did a majority of the Colonial Fleet. (The only reason Galactica has any Mark IIs is because they were museum displays.) -- Joe Beaudoin 20:55, 16 January 2006 (EST)

That's Mark VII. --Peter Farago 21:57, 16 January 2006 (EST)

Pegasus Registry Number

I am nearly positive that Pegasus' registry number is BS-62, however, I will present my evidence before (and if) I make an edit to the article.

A. Pictures:

B. Reasoning: We know that Galactica's registry number is BS-75. Galactica was also a member of BSG-75. I think that its safe to say that Battlestar Groups are numbered after the registry of their Battlestar, or else this is a pretty big coincidence. Pegasus' was a member of BSG-62, and the registry in those pictures looks like BS-62.

Thats why I made the orignal edit to the article. If we still think this isn't enough evidence, I won't edit it again. --BMS 17:58, 25 January 2006 (EST)

But your reasoning is utterly irrelevant. Ron D. Moore has stated, in his blog, that it is not a registry number but the number of their Battlestar Group. The number written on their hulls and ship emblem on their seals and patches seen since the miniseries say "BSG 75". They just like to display their Group number instead of registry; not exactly like Earth military now, etc. I'm sorry, but none of us will probably say this is good evidence; you haven't been here for a while BMS, but this has all be gone over a lot already. More importantly, Ron D. Moore said that MORE THAN ONE Battlestar is usually in a Battlestar Group. It's like a navy carrier battlegroup. it can't be "Groups are number after the registry of their battlestar", because that would be ONE Battlestar, singular. There are multiple Battlestars in each Group.--Ricimer 18:17, 25 January 2006 (EST)

File:BS-62.jpg

Pegasus BS 62

Ricimer, I am completley aware that there is a difference between BS and BSG. And I am fully aware that BSGs can have multiple Battlestars, I read that blog too and have seen that article within the wiki. But, the Galactica BSG is clearly named after Galactica's registry - BS-75. You can see BS-75 emblazoned on the flight pods below "Galactica" in high-res captures. If you want to extend the battle group analogy that RDM brought up, its notable that modern carrier battle groups (battle group is actually an obsolete term, they are now called "carrier strike groups" - thought CVBG is still used as an acronym) are named after their flagship. For instance, the battle group with the USS Abraham Lincoln as the flag is called the Abraham Lincoln Strike Group. Pegasus was the lead of her BSG. The flag officer commanding BSG-62, Cain, made her flag on Pegasus. Therefore, just like BSG-75 is named after Galactica BS-75, BSG-62 is named after Pegasus BS-62. But if you still don't believe me, I've uploaded a clear screencap of the flightpod, showing the text "Pegasus BS 62" from Resurrection Ship, pt. 2. --BMS 23:15, 25 January 2006 (EST)

Obviously the facts speak for themselves, but I'm going to chime in in BMS' defense here. The evidence is unequivocal. Thank you for researching the issue so thoroughly. --Peter Farago 02:38, 26 January 2006 (EST)

Thanks Peter. During my research, I found it interesting that modern carrier strike groups are almost never refered to as "CVBG 71" or something similar, like they are in the Galactica universe. I bet that it's because RDM thought "Galactica Strike Group" sounded unweildy, but BSG 75 sounded cool. --BMS 13:00, 26 January 2006 (EST)

Bada-bing, bada-boom. Case closed. No need for drama folks. Either it was shown or it wasn't. Before, it looked like it wasn't shown, but this cap seals it. Nice research. --Day 07:15, 26 January 2006 (EST)

I agree that it's BS-62. It's visible in the CIC wall in "Pegasus" and "Resurrection Ship" and visible on the podium in the pilot briefing room. --Talos 18:13, 25 January 2006 (EST)

Whether or not Pegasus is "BSG-62" is not in question: the page for BSG-62 was updated and confirmed as soon as "Resurrection Ship, Part I" came out, some time ago.--Ricimer 18:17, 25 January 2006 (EST)

Perhaps the BSGs are numbered after the lead ship in the group, like the flagship. --Talos 18:28, 25 January 2006 (EST)

Four Landing Strips?

Did I just notice four landing strips in The Captain's Hand? one right side up and one upside down (relative to the rest of the shape, this is space after all, everything is relative). This would make sense with the images of the upside down launch tubes. Something commenting on the extra landing strips should be put in --Antagonist 03:08, 18 February 2006 (EST)

No. We addressed this in the talk for Captain's Hand; the camera was upside down to reflect to the viewers that the ship was twisting around, etc. --The Merovingian 03:53, 18 February 2006 (EST)

Yes, the Pegasus was flying "inverted" relative to the Cameras POV...however the Pegasus does indeed possess 4 landing strips, @ 2 strips per Flight Pod. look at the following image: http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:Pegasus01.jpg you can clearly see 4 landing strips in that image.As well as the fact that when she is recalling her vipers you can clearly see Vipers entering the Port Flight pod on both sides of the center line. Rewatch that sequence again its pretty obvious.--Strato

Random Pegasus Name Trivia

I randomly came across the fact that there has been a aircraft carrier named Pegasus. Originally commissioned as the Ark Royal, she was renamed Pegasus in order to free up Ark Royal for a new carrier being developed. I wonder if it's bad luck to rename a ship while still in service... --Steelviper 14:19, 24 February 2006 (EST)

Only if you give it an assignment against extremist Islam and their basesta-- I mean, Zodiac boats. --Spencerian 15:55, 24 February 2006 (EST)

Weapons

I believe that luanched craft should be excluded from weapons based on e.g. Wikipedia:USS Midway (CV-41) and Wikipedia:USS Nimitz (CVN-68) (and less strongly [1]). I wouldn't object to a new template item parallel to "Aircraft" on the Midway entry. (I dislike the "Aircraft and aviation facilities:" naming of that item on the Nimitz article.) --CalculatinAvatar 15:23, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

Well I guess someone should add the separate category for aircraft, like the one on "Midway". --The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 15:27, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

I could go either way. Technically speaking, I don't think it's wrong to refer to an aircraft as a weapon - then again, so is the battlestar itself. --Peter Farago 15:27, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

Battlestar Group

Ok I changed the battlestar designation to BSG62 (Battlestar Group) before looking into the histroy to see that its been changed and reverted several times before and there is a discusison above but im still none the wiser. In the background of Pegasus it quite clearly says BSG just as the official "Battlestar Galactica" logo shows BSG75. Before I change the Galactica article or anyone reverts this Pegasus page Id like to have a discussion about it please. --Mercifull 09:23, 22 May 2006 (CDT)

BS 62 is the hull number. Think of it this way - in WW2, USS Saratoga (Hull number: CV-3) was the center of Task Force 38. In this case, the Group number (BSG) happens to coincide with the hull number of the lead ship (BS), but they're still separate designations. --Peter Farago 09:33, 22 May 2006 (CDT)

Thats what i thought, except it seems odd that the hull number would also be the same as the group for Galactica too? --Mercifull 09:43, 22 May 2006 (CDT)

Re-imagined Series definition: all-purpose vulgarism; Colonial version of "fuck" (see: frak)

Re-imagined Series definition: Battlestar Group ^{(TRS: "Water")}. It also doubles as an acronym for the television series itself.

Re-imagined Series definition: operating system on military and civilian ships exploited by the Cylons ^{(TRS: "Miniseries, Night 1")}

Re-imagined Series definition: technology enabling travel across distances faster than the speed of light would permit, see: FTL

Re-imagined Series definition: Colonial equivalent of radio

Re-imagined Series definition: Battlestar Group ^{(TRS: "Water")}. It also doubles as an acronym for the television series itself.

Original Series definition: a Cylon outpost ^{(TOS: "Lost Planet of the Gods, Part I")}

Re-imagined Series definition: nerve center or "bridge" of a battlestar, see: Combat Information Center