Template talk:Ship Data

Good idea, very useful. --Mercifull 05:36, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

Found a good place to use it. That template or table that was used for the Heavy Radier was.. well.. ugly. :) --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 05:41, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

Terminology

I changed "function" to "role", and "side" to "race" (Pegasus and Galactica weren't exactly on the same "side", once upon a time). I made direct substitutions in the template, but now the boxes are showing up wrong. Why?--The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 12:57, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

Nevermind, I figured it out.--The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 12:58, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

I don't really like "Race" here. Any other ideas? Nationality, maybe? --Peter Farago 14:18, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

Well it's better than "side". I used it as a placeholder. --The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 14:30, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

Okay, so any other ideas? I think "nationality" is easily more appropriate than "race", even if it's still not great. --Peter Farago 15:25, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

I kept eyeing it when I was changing the other wordings; I couldn't do better. Rejected candidates: side, allegiance, species, used by, designed by --CalculatinAvatar 15:49, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

Idea: Operator --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 15:52, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

Dislike. --Peter Farago 15:53, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

Well, the autonomous raiders cause a problem: technically, they aren't so much operated as... well, not.--CalculatinAvatar 16:04, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

I think that "Used by" is the least bad of those, FWIW. Maybe "Utilized by"? --Peter Farago 15:53, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

Another idea with Utilized (for "type" instead of "Type".... Built. My mind is going blank. :-P --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 16:00, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

I could live with "Utilized by," but I would note that non-Cylons have at least twice utilized Cylon vehicles and the Cylons could be interpreted to have utilized the Olympic Carrier. On those grounds, I'd prefer "Built by." --CalculatinAvatar 16:04, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

How can an inanmite object have a race? When we say F/A-18 we say side, U.S. --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 15:27, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

Shane...did you research this? I check and no ship, airplane like the F/A-18, or anything on wikipedia or MemoryAlpha supports that "we" say "side". It's the "race" that it belongs to. --The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 15:32, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

I do not use MA as a "research" tool unless I am looking something up on Star Trek. Wikipedia is my main source for online Enyclypiedia. Plus my photographic memeory servers me pretty well. The reason "race" appears on MA is because in Star Trek there are more than one race... Humans, Vulcuns, etc. Here was have humans and machines. Last time I checked out discussions on this wiki we refer to the Cylons as innamite objects and I have yet to see an Alien on BSG. --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 15:36, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

MA is a research tool on the design of a good fan wiki; it behooves one to learn from others' experience. --CalculatinAvatar 15:49, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

"Side" just sounds clunky to me. --Peter Farago 15:29, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

I could hjave used another word, but when doing design, you want it to be very simple. That's why I choose Side in the first place. Simple. --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 15:31, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

I appreciate that. I hope you also appreciate our attempts to refine the terminology. --Peter Farago 15:34, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

No problem in this department. I had the template created for such a long time and no one ever commented on it, I thought it was OK. --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 15:37, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

You only implemented it today. That's why I never commented on it; it wasn't "finished" yet, so I didn't make complaints. --The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 15:39, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Standards_and_Conventions#Template_Font_Size_and_Design --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 15:43, 8 April 2006 (CDT)'

Shane....I just said "You weren't finished, so I didn't comment yet"--->the link you provided doesn't change that. --The Merovingian ^{(C - E)}

The ship doesn't have a race itself; it's associated to a race. (Of course, under best usage, "race" isn't quite correct for different species or entities with inorganic components.) --CalculatinAvatar 15:49, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

I'm not married to it: I thought "Race" was vague enough and better than "side", but someone else could come up with a better idea. --The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 16:26, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

Consensus

Any objections to switching to "utilized by" until we can think of something better? --Peter Farago 19:39, 10 April 2006 (CDT)

"Affiliation"? --CalculatinAvatar 21:05, 14 April 2006 (CDT)

Well my point was, when Pegasus and Galactica turned on each other, "Side" and "affiliation" started to become blurred, and if there is a future Cylon civil war, this might become even more problematic. --The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 21:13, 14 April 2006 (CDT)

FTL Status -> FTL

Begin moved from Talk:Viper (RDM): I couldn't find this on the editing page so I'll just comment here. The word 'status' next to the FTL link seems awkward. Presence, maybe or just cut it. As in order to have a status, it would have to be present yes? Or is that there because someone is convinced they are onboard but not online? Dunno, just thought I should point out it seems unnecessary. -- Mazzy 13:41, 8 April 2006 (CDT) End moved

I concur and will make such an edit. --CalculatinAvatar 14:16, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

Length, Width, Hieght, etc.

I seen alot of the ship pages with this data. Anyone else think we should just add it to the template? --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 05:04, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

Yes I agree --Mercifull 05:57, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

I concur. They look bad in the page proper. --CalculatinAvatar^(C-T) 11:24, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

Well it's mostly info from Scifi.com, but yeah. --The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 12:04, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

Just a friendly reminder from the citation fairy to note sources on dimensions at the bottom of the article. --Peter Farago 18:36, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

So I guess I will jup in and make some changes to the template. Don't be alarmed. We going to have to goto each page and add the extra "info" tabs so the template isn't messy. --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 20:17, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

Nevermind. Solved that problem. Check out Colonial One for a update with the new template. --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 20:37, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

Class just came up because I saw it on the Colonial One page, but I added it jsut to see how it might look, maybe. The wingspan is used in the Viper pages, that's why I had it there, and a good reason to keep it width usually means the "frame". Wingspan means from wing to wing, if there are wings, which both the Viper (RDM)/Cylon Raider do. Not many though. --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 21:07, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

Images

I'd like to simply not have the image at top if none is available, rather than using the large question mark over the starfield. As for additional images, rather than link them through the template, why not use the gallery extension like on Cloud 9? --Peter Farago 18:44, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

Would have to see how that works inside a template. The problem is an "array" seems it have problems, but I can look into it. On the questionmark issue, we do it with otherthings. I don't see it as a major problem. Really minor. --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 20:15, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

Re-imagined Series definition: used to signify a civilian transport vessel over a certain gross weight/mass, i.e. Colonial Heavy 798

Re-imagined Series definition: Battlestar Group ^{(TRS: "Water")}. It also doubles as an acronym for the television series itself.

Re-imagined Series definition: technology enabling travel across distances faster than the speed of light would permit, see: FTL