Battlestar Wiki talk:Categories

Thoughts

Problems

There are currently 103 categories on the Battlestar Wiki.

• In general, TOS content is namespaced while RDM content is not.
• Categories are not systematic.
• Unfortunately, there is no way to view the "intersection" of, for example, Category:TOS and Category:Characters, so it will be necessary to have several namespaced categories for each continuity.

Solutions?

• Categories should be organized in a top-down manner, into three "domains":
  • Real World - includes cast, crew, producers, etc.
  • Battlestar Wiki - includes project pages, requested pages, maintainence, RFAs, silly pages, etc.
  • In-continuity - includes TOS, 1980, TSC, SDS, Video Game, RDM.

• Second-level categorization in continuity would be broken down according to culture:

• TOS
  • Colonials (TOS)
  • Cylons (TOS)
  • Borellian Nomen (TOS)

• 1980
  • Colonials (1980)
  • Earthlings (1980)

• RDM
  • Colonials (RDM)
  • Cylons (RDM)

• Third-level categorization in continuity would following a scheme similar to the breakdown of the Twelve Colonies series, along relevant topics:

• RDM
  • Colonials (RDM)
    • The Twelve Colonies
      • Caprica
        • People from Caprica
        • Publications from Caprica
        • Locations on Caprica
    • The Fleet
      • Locations on Galactica
      • Locations on Colonial One
      • Locations on Cloud Nine
    • Colonial History
    • Colonial Religion
      • The Sacred Scrolls
      • The Lords of Kobol
    • Colonial Government
      • Quorum Delegates
    • Colonial Technology
      • Colonial Weapons
      • Colonial Craft

• Note that this practice of single-inheritance only applies to categorie and subcategories. Individual articles may take categories from any point in the hierarchy, thus Tom Zarek could be People from Sagittaron, Quorum Delegates, etc.

Just some thoughts to get started. --Peter Farago 13:41, 28 December 2005 (EST)

Seems logical enough. Organizational matters such as the categories are not my strong suit, but matching existing content to a new structure like this would be. So, for Cylons (RDM), how would we'd break down matters? Would it be similar to the following?

• Cylons (RDM)
  • Cylon War
  • Cylon Technology
    • Cylon Models
    • Cylon Weapons
    • Cylon Spacecraft

--Spencerian 14:25, 28 December 2005 (EST)

Looks good to me, except "Cylon War" would probably be an article, not a category, filed under both Cylon History and Colonial History. Do you think that an article should belong to just its specific subcategory, or all the categories leading up from each terminal node? (ie. is Viper 7242 just in Category:Vipers, which is a child of Military Craft, which is a child of Colonial Craft, which is a child of Colonial Technology, or does it belong to all four?) I'd be in favor of the latter, so that the contents of each subcategory are a strict subset of its parent. --Peter Farago 15:25, 28 December 2005 (EST)

Another issue is that strict single-inheritance might not be very useful. For example, "Colonial Technology" would want to be a subcategory of both Technology and The Colonials, allowing the user the freedom to browse by either heading. --Peter Farago 19:22, 28 December 2005 (EST)

I'd be curious to try to slice and dice the characters, categorizing them in such a way that you could browse by:

• Colonial Military
  • Pilots
  • ECOs
  • Command Officers

With the potential of trying to obsolete the "Character List" template. Especially if some way could be found to distinguish the important/recurring characters from the extras (as rank isn't a very good indication of how important a character will end up being). Also, I'm interested in starting to clean up unused (or barely used) categories in the existing system. --Steelviper 17:11, 16 January 2006 (EST)

Maybe the solution lies in Categories, Steelviper. I like your breakdown of characters: I think we need to add "NCOs" in there, too (For Callie, Socinus, Tyrol, etc.). And, what if we had two character categories thus: Main and Recurring. People, like Mason or any press corp member, who only show up in one episode would get no category. People, like Socinus or Kat would get Recurring status. People like Kara, Lee, Tyrol, Six, Laura, Bill, Saul, etc. would get Main status. There would be some who'd need some debate, I think. Geata, Dee and Billy are some that come to mind as being border-line between Recurring and Main. --Day 19:16, 16 January 2006 (EST)

I wasn't trying to shortchange the enlisted folks, just stopped my example short. For the Main and Recurring, were you thinking they'd be part of the rest of the character classification hierarchy (Main Characters->Colonial Military->Pilots returning a list like Lee Adama, Kara Thrace, etc) or just separate Main and Recurring categories that would fall outside of that? So Kara Thrace would be a Pilot and Main character (two categories). I imagine the latter, since subdividing above the military level would split the military such that the only way to list all pilots would be to get Main->Military->Pilots (Union) Recurring->Military->Pilots (Union) Extras->Military->Pilots. The separate Main and Recurring categories seem more straightforward, but less elegant. --Steelviper 21:49, 16 January 2006 (EST)

It's possible for an article to belong to both a subcategory and the parent category, so for example, Galen Tyrol could be part of

• Category:Characters (RDM)
• Category:Characters (RDM) (Colonial Military)
• Category:Characters (RDM) (Colonial Military) (Galactica Personel)
• Category:Characters (RDM) (Colonial Military) (NCOs)
• Category:Characters (RDM) (Colonial Military) (Galactica Personel) (NCOs)
• Category:Characters (RDM) (Colonial Military) (NCOs) (Galactica Personel)

But I don't need to explain what that's ridiculous. --Peter Farago 21:54, 16 January 2006 (EST)

Whew, Peter. Yeah. I was thinking that Main Characters (RDM) and Recurring Characters (RDM) would be subsets of would go under Characters (RDM), but not be divided by anything else... So Kara would belong to Main Characters (RDM), Viper Pilots (RDM), Galactica Personell (RDM), Colonial Military Personell (RDM), Officers (RDM) and Characters (RDM). I don't think I missed any. Is that as rediculous as Peter's assertion? I wish there was a way to get the intersections of categories... *sish* --Day 01:39, 17 January 2006 (EST)

Suggestions

Can there be a "used to work on Star Trek" category/template? Someone can come up with a better name, but I've always seen Battlestar Galactica as the "response" by RDM to the decline of Star Trek and why it happened (see his essay on Naturalistic science fiction, and sort of the "unofficial successor" to it, so I'm always interested in who used to be on Trek. I don't think having two of these, one for cast and one for crew, would be worth it because there aren't that many, but we need something that ties together Michelle Forbes, Dean Stockwell, Rick Worthy, Sam Witwer, Ron Moore, Weddle & Thompson, Alan Kroeker, and Michael Taylor. --The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 14:16, 26 April 2006 (CDT)

I added one in. --The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 23:28, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

Revisit ?

Should we revisit this issue before Season 3? --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 23:26, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

I see no problems with the current ones...--The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 23:27, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

I was getting to the fact how we should list the Categories on the project page. Not the articles itself. --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 23:29, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

They're a project?--The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 23:32, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

Yeah. I think the original point of this project page way back then was to list all the categories on this page and show the hieharchy structure, but I think it was during a time during the first season that this was put on old. --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 23:38, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

Wow. 400+ Categories. Yikes! --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 23:31, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

Everything's interconnected better--The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 23:32, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

Aye. --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 23:38, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

Another Suggestion

Because I am lazy, a direct copy from GTalk:

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Shane: this is werid Category:Cast and Category:Cast (TOS) both have Category:A to Z when Category:Cast (TOS) is already a sub category of Cast
Matt: that would be "wrong" according to the model Peter proposed
Shane: http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Category:A_to_Z&from=B yeah there is alot of items in "C" subcategories that do that wrong.
Matt: I agree with chopping the A to Z
Shane: yeah going to fix these other ones in "sub" C
Matt: I'm kind of leery of the "Cast" being automatically RDM though
if we start getting more series...
Shane: well we can always add it
Matt: I'd maybe like to see Cast (RDM) true no biggie
Shane: but Category:Cast should have everyone regradless of series
Matt: that's an interesting thought so you'd have cast and the sub cat for the series
Shane: and then sub it off: RDM, 1980, TOS, CAT CAP* etc. etc.

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--Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 12:10, 7 August 2006 (CDT)

In summary, Shane was suggesting the creation of a Cast (RDM). Then each cast would have the Cast cat, as well as the subcat for their particular series. That way the "Cast" category would display ALL cast, and the subcategory would display the cast for that particular series. It sounds like a pain, and a lot of work, but it sounds "right".--Steelviper 12:16, 7 August 2006 (CDT)

And so it begins... again

Joe and I were talking about categories over at Talk:Hand mine and we agreed that we should probably revisit this project (like Shane suggested back in August). The particular topic at the time was the splitting of the "technology" category into subcategories of Technology (TOS) and Technology (RDM). I suggested that Hand Mine get both Technology and Technology (TOS) so people can either browse across all series, or just by the particular series. --Steelviper 07:05, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

Sounds like an organization nightmare. But, it does help in allowing someone to compare the OS and RDM tech and give us a quick way to sort it. I'm game. --Spencerian 07:54, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

I posted something on the BW:SAC for how I been doing it. This should clear up any confusing and the idea. Can always work at it. --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 16:44, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

Category Visibility

Once we're (mostly) satisfied with the category navigation, and also perhaps once we get the category tree-view plugin working (pending the necessary tech upgrades, etc), we might want to consider revamping and increasing our category visibilty. Both reevaluating which categories to highlight in the portals as well as maybe providing some "Main Page" visibility. Currently the only way to them from the Main Page is through the portals or the "special pages", so we might want to move them "up" a level. --Steelviper 16:04, 18 September 2006 (CDT)

Category:Mentioned-Only

I've been cruising through "Category:Characters", making sure they have all their appropriate continuity-specific subcategories (Characters (RDM), Mentioned-only (RDM), etc.) The thought occured to me that we have a better index of the characters never mentioned than we do the main characters. We've got the "Character Template" as a way of navigating them, but I was wondering if maybe there ought to be some other categories based on appearance frequency. For example, one-shot characters (TOS has tons of these) vs. recurring characters). It just felt odd that the "mentioned only" characters end up with more categories associated with them than the important ones. --Steelviper 08:26, 6 October 2006 (CDT)

A very good idea. We could create Category:One-Shot Characters (RDM) and Category:Recurring Characters (RDM), and their TOS equivalents as well. Anyone else have any thoughts? -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate} 08:43, 6 October 2006 (CDT)

Would those be subcats of Character, or separate? I think Mentioned-only is currently separate, but it may contain some ships, etc. --Steelviper 08:46, 6 October 2006 (CDT)

Mentioned only i been marking for everything from ships to misc. items. --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 08:49, 6 October 2006 (CDT)

Well, anything Mentioned-Only should remain in that category. We would need to create another category, Category:Mentioned-Only Characters (RDM) and Category:Mentioned-Only Characters (TOS), which would be a sub-cat of Mentioned-Only. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate} 08:54, 6 October 2006 (CDT)

Bump this up for more comments. --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 15:59, 11 October 2006 (CDT)

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