Talk:Razor/Archive2

The first Hybrid's "children"

I can think of several possibilities:

• The Guardians
• The humanoid Cylons
• The other Hybrids
• Cylons in general

-- Gordon Ecker 20:27, 25 November 2007 (CST)

To-do list

Most major things have been done already, but there are some left (add if you can think of anything):

• Updating Peter Laird
• Finding out who Riggs and Frank Bruno are and updating the articles
• Adding some other lines to Noteworthy Dialogue
• Adding such dialogue to Razor Flashbacks. Not much to go on, but the "nothing but the rain" exchange between Adama and McGavin is good.

Razor analysis and questions will probably be done without much effort. The most major thing is getting pictures, but we better wait for DVD to do that. --Serenity 03:07, 26 November 2007 (CST)

Razor Acts and Teaser

I've finished writing the Pegasus timeline for Razor. I know it's pretty long, but keep in mind that not only is it a double-episode, the content is extremely compressed, so it was hard to shorten it up. For future reference, I have added an invisible note at the bottom of the Razor summary detailing the Razor Teaser, and a breakdown of where each act begins and ends. Additionally, I am including another copy here.

• Teaser
  • We see only Shaw’s hand as she opens and closes Cain’s knife. She rubs her fingers along the blade, careful not to get hurt. She talks about the importance of living with your decisions, and the cycle of life, and how there are no second chances. The word “RAZOR” flashes across the screen.
  • We now see a series of flashbacks, periodically edited in with shots of Shaw caressing Cain’s knife. The first to appear is the discovery of the Pegasus by the Fleet (Pegasus). We then see Gina being whipped by Thorne (a new scene), and we hear Baltar’s voice comforting her, telling her that what she needs is justice. Next we see Gina holding the gun to Cain’s head. We hear the gun go off, and then we immediately see her funeral, with Fisk giving the eulogy (Resurrection Ship, Part II). Next we see Fisk being garroted and then Adama and Tigh talking about promoting Garner (Black Market). Next we see the scene where the enemy baseships jump ahead of the Pegasus, and Garner dies saving the ship. We see Apollo promoted to commander (The Captain's Hand).
  • Finally we hear Shaw again, talking about how you are the choices you make in life, followed by the opening titles.

Don't use things like "we see". If anything write "the viewer sees". But best is a more neutral voice like "Shaw says" or "Shaw's hand". The rest isn't really needed at all. I don't think it's necessary to summarize the flashbacks designed to bring viewers up to speed. Shaw's monologue should be enough. --Serenity 04:29, 26 November 2007 (CST)

• Act 1
  • Begins after opening titles.
  • Ends after Shaw is promoted to major.
• Act 2
  • Begins as Shaw is drilling Colonial Marines on rifle assembly aboard Pegasus.
  • Ends as the Pegasus crew is shouting “So Say We All!”
• Act 3
  • Begins as the Pegasus senior staff is discussing the communication relay.
  • Ends as the first Cylon salvos strike Pegasus.
• Act 4
  • Begins as Belzen is being taken to the morgue.
  • Ends after the First Cylon War flashback, as Adama and Roslin look over the original Cylon Raider.
• Act 5
  • Begins as Roslin, Apollo and Adama discuss the Guardian basestar.
  • Ends after the massacre aboard the Scylla.
• Act 6
  • Begins as the Scylla boarding party is leaving the ship.
  • Ends as the Centurion Model 0005’s are coordinating with each other aboard the Cylon Raider.
• Act 7
  • Begins as Red Squad is floating in space.
  • Ends after the Guardian basestar explodes.
• Act 8
  • Begins as Apollo and Adama are discussing Cain and Shaw posthumously.
  • Ends at credits.

--OrionFour 03:52, 26 November 2007 (CST)

Alright I've taken that part out. --OrionFour 04:39, 26 November 2007 (CST)

Doral in Razor?

Is it me, or is the guy in a suit (security?) seen shortly behind Cain at the beginning of the conference in her quarters a Number Five? Ausir 12:56, 29 November 2007 (CST)

I did a double take myself when I saw that... but it isn't Doral. It's apparently just a crew member who is dressed as a butler for the dinner occasion. (For Doral's appearance in "Razor", he's in a scene where he notifies Bill Adama that Lee will be doing the flyby during the decommissioning ceremony.) -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 13:01, 29 November 2007 (CST)

They look somewhat similar, but you can tell it's not really him. --Serenity 13:05, 29 November 2007 (CST)

Hair color?

Is it just me, or is Cain's hair color different in this appearance than it was in the previous season two episodes? -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 19:42, 29 November 2007 (CST)

Positrons... heisenberg hair color uncertainty principle... yeah. It appears darker offhand. New hair vs Old hair--Steelviper 20:03, 29 November 2007 (CST)

Didn't we talk about this already? :) Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 20:26, 29 November 2007 (CST)

I mentioned it in our Gtalk conversation. LOL -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 20:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)

Not just the color, but the style, too. She looks more feminine and less severe. Maybe she decides later that curlers and color treatments are not combat considerations  :) --Fredmdbud 16:51, 30 November 2007 (CST)

New Razor article?

It's like what I say in the header, though to specify: are we going to have another article for the extended/unrated version of "Razor" like with what we did with "Pegasus", or are we just going to drop everything under the same article? I'd like to know before any integration of new material from the extended version goes into here. --Mars 12:16, 5 December 2007 (CST)

Isn't it just 15 minutes more material? Given the length of 1.5 hours, that's not so much. The summary is already pretty long, but since it's not that much new stuff, we could include it in this article I think. And then mark it somehow, for example with "(*)". --Serenity 12:20, 5 December 2007 (CST)

I have the DVD for two weeks now (a week before release) and it's not that much of a difference. :) Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 12:22, 5 December 2007 (CST)

No need to have an extended version of the page. We should just note what happens in these extended scenes, note that they are extended, and we'll be fine. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 12:44, 5 December 2007 (CST)

Well, I wasn't advocating a new page. I just wanted to make sure no one was going to create one before we started adding the extra material in - which I'm surprised no one has started yet. I do think there should be something specific about there being two versions, though. --Mars 16:29, 5 December 2007 (CST)

Could be placed in the overview section. There it can also be explained how the DVD scenes are marked. --Serenity 16:30, 5 December 2007 (CST)

I we do include the extra scenes into this main article, we should mark them as being on the dvd only. I got my copy last night and saw the changes. They're not a lot "length-wise", but in general story telling, it does add in a lot. It definitely explains more about Cain's psyche and explains her motives to fight instead of run. --LifeStar 09:09, 6 December 2007 (CST)

Re-imagined Series definition: the process of using the FTL engines to make an near-instantaneous apparent faster-than-light transport of a ship from one point in space to another