Talk:Humanoid Cylon speculation/Archive4

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Major re-write

I'm in the process of completely re-writing this article to bring it up to date with season 3. In particular, I'm removing any assessment or grouping into "moderate" or "low" probability but, for each leading character listing reasons for suspicion and reasons for doubt and letting the reader decide. Any ideas on what this article needs, now would be a good time to suggest. OTW 15:17, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

Erm, are you working on an old version? This was already done a while ago. All the fanwankery and excessive speculation was finally removed. Some with the probabilities, which were really silly. Anyways, now the article only lists Starbuck and Baltar, who are the most likely suspects. --Serenity 15:34, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

I'm working on assesing the whole "human" central cast, although its immediately clear who are the biggest suspects. OTW 15:48, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

The page was specifically cleansed to get rid of all the excessive speculation about everyone. This has been discussed on the talk page. Also see Characters eliminated from suspicion‎ for why Helo and Cally Tyrol can't be Cylons and why the Adamas and Roslin probably aren't (has real-world reasons though). Baltar already has his own article. Starbuck is mentioned here. So that's everyone covered. --Serenity 15:52, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

OK, done it. Hope you like. I've limited the scope to the central characters (because "Oh, Hot Dog's the Cylon" would be pretty much an anticlimax). I think this is clearer and more organised than before, and allows us to demonstrate why certain characters are unlikely to be Cylons, rather than not talking about them. I have NOT included

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because I think it is clear from the context that RDM was discussing Bill and Laura being revealed as part of the four in Crossroads, Part II. OTW 16:37, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

Don't take this personally, but I don't. The old article was way better IMHO. Granted, it outsourced the eliminated characters to another page, which could be done away with maybe. But while your article is factually correct (*) with the pro and cons for everyone, I found the old one read more interestingly, because it was complete text and not just a list of a bullet points. That gave you the pointers to draw your own conclusions and links to pursue further indications.

What yours has going for it is that it doesn't just rely on out-of-universe sources for the Adamas and Roslin, but the sacrifices for that are too high. I'd rather have the "eliminated characters" article edited to include those points, but restore this one. But I'm just one person, so don't be discouraged. Some other people can weigh in too. But with an article has hotly contested as this one - see talk pages - you should have solicited some feedback before editing. Also because it could have saved you work.

(*) Except for some things like Adama in "A Day in the Life". That is not projection, but a stylistic choice to show his inner monologue --Serenity 16:53, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

I more or less agree with Serenity. While you bring up some nice points in your revamped version of the page, it is just a bunch of bullet points. Text, like in the old version, is a much more comfortable read. ---Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 01:13, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

Projection is a form of daydreaming

To be honest, the differences between "projecting" and "daydreaming" are sufficiently blurred here, since it's really the same thing. Also, it's really had to tell the difference between both, particularly in the Adama's case, so I'm not entirely sure of how we should approach that here. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 17:01, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

Yeah. Bill Adama's "projection" was weak, so I've removed it. The problem is, I can't think of any other plausible reason for suspicion. OTW 17:07, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

We already have it as non-projection on Virtual beings#Notes. I know that some people are crazy about anything that looks like Cylons, but I never saw it as anything but Adama's inner musings and imagination. Sure, it goes beyond what one might expect, but he doesn't really have any dialogues with his wife. She talks a lot and for me that works perfectly fine as a representation of Adama's thoughts and him re-hashing things his wife told him over the years. --Serenity 17:10, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

Current Form

Whoever conceived of the current form of this page, I give you a standing ovation. Brilliant. I love the layout. --BklynBruzer 21:53, 5 November 2007 (CST)

It would be better by incorporating the Baltar and Thrace sections of the old version at the start, since those are the most important and just read more interestingly than mere bullet points. --Serenity 09:22, 6 November 2007 (CST)