Talk:God (RDM)/Archive 1

It always seemed to me that "God" is the Cylon central computer (or equivalent). My hypothesis is that the "re-imagined" Count Iblis will be the God.Kuralyov 20:21, 21 May 2005 (EDT)

from the author

Do you like this style of this God page that I wrote? I personally think the quotes are too numerous. I'll probably delete some quotes, but it's hard to know which might prove important. For example, Adama's speaking of God may be significant. I would love to have such quotes about other topics on other Wiki pages, as it's easier to do unbiased research this way.

Regarding your theory of the Cylon God being Iblis, although there probably is a head Cylon like that, their religion seems more abstract: "We are all God, all of us. I see the love that binds all living things together."

Should we include deleted scenes on Wiki pages? There is an important bit of dialog in KLG 1 about the legend of a jealous god who tried to elevate himself above the rest. Internal Six replies something like, "Blasphemy! There has only ever been one God."

I need help for the original series section of this God page. I haven't watched the original series since the late 70's! Feel free to do whatever you want with that section.

-MHall

I don't think we should include colonial expressions of "God", as I'm pretty sure they're just accidentals from the actors. - Chris

The "… play God …" quote in particular needn't be considered monotheistic. A polytheist can easily refer to a singular god, and not mean the only God. "play god" can just as easily mean "play at being a god" as "play at being God himself".

I would recommend removing that one at the very least from the monotheist list.

--Brons 08:37, 3 December 2006 (CST)

In complete agreement, I have removed that sentence. Even a polytheistic religion can refer to one god like this. --Talos 11:57, 3 December 2006 (CST)

about that "Jesus" thing

I've seen the original US release of the miniseries once, but what I've watched the most is the UK DVD. And I can't recall Tigh saying "Jesus". Wasn't that dubbed over with something else? I vaguely recall reading something about that --Serenity 08:02, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

It's in both of my copies of the miniseries (the pre-season one release and the season one boxed set.) The Lord appears in mysterious dialogue. :P --Slander 15:16, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

It's when Adama shows Tigh the really old picture. --BklynBruzer 15:18, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, I found it by now. It's really under the breath, which is why I missed it. --Serenity 15:24, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

pockets of Monotheism in the colonies?

Ok this is a small matter but from the mini did anyone get the feeling that the worship of one single god wasn't completely unheard of in the colonies? Six's comments about God are mocked by Baltar but he isn't shocked by the notion of one god. Basically what I'm getting at is that in the real world we have people who claim to have gone back to pagan religions and they worship multiple gods...could the opposite have been true in the colonies. That a monotheistic religion was something some colonists adapted as a way to be contrary or as even an actual alternative to the kobolian faith? I'm not saying it was widespread or even a major issue within the colonies. Basically there were colonists who wanted to be different and were mocked for having what other colonists percieved as a wacky religion. --Meteor 02 February 2007.

Gaeta makes comments that seem to support this in "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I" when Adama reviews the texts regarding Kobol. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate} 22:11, 2 February 2007 (CST)

"Scientific Explanation" Section

Perhaps it's me, but I feel that this section is mainly theoretical and as such should not really be there. --Sauron18 16:38, 18 June 2007 (CDT)

Erm, never mind ;) --Sauron18 16:39, 18 June 2007 (CDT)

I really like it, and vaguely thought of something similar once (not in such detail, but that god is a real construct). It also reminds me of the Ultimate Intelligence in Dan Simmon's Hyperion Cantos which I read recently. But as you say, unfortunately it's way to speculative for this place. --Serenity 16:42, 18 June 2007 (CDT)

It's not in the series and has no sources and is wholly fanwank. I've rolled it back and await any sources. I can say that the Cylons are actually part of the ancient Matrix, but that doesn't make it true. --Spencerian 16:45, 18 June 2007 (CDT)

I'm well aware of that and said that it has no place here. I just think it's interesting nonetheless. --Serenity 16:48, 18 June 2007 (CDT)

Sorry, didn't mean to sound at all snappy there. I'm feeling a bit "get off my lawn you crazy kids" today and probably tomorrow. 8/ --Spencerian 19:50, 18 June 2007 (CDT)

Hello, I am the one who wrote the original article. As for the information, I got the quoted portions from the wiki on the subject http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity, which has multiple links to respected sources, especially http://www.kurzweilai.net/index.html?flash=1, which was where I first heard about the idea. If there is a specific way to write an article that includes respected sources, please let me know and I will consider writing one. As for it being "mainly theoretical" and "speculative," I would argue the "Background to FTL in the Re-imagined Series" article is just as speculative as no one in the series mentions the physics behind it. However, it did not stop someone on committing how FTL is scientifically plausible, thus showing how true to reality the show can be. I check this sight frequently and I am always disappointed that no one wrote about how the cylon "god" (or any "god") is scientifically plausible. In keeping with how true to reality the show can be, I thought it was appropriate to comment on how a "god" could actually exist in nBSG without relying on a supernatural basis or aliens.--DuMan 22:01, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

For what it's worth, there was some concern about the FTL article as well, regarding its validity to the show. At least as far as the scientific speculation is concerned. And some articles are indeed more speculative than others, making some case-by-case decisions necessary. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter how well you source your information here, as the problem is its connection to the show itself.

I understand that you put some effort into this, and even basically agree with it, or appreciate it. But aside from a minimal note like "It's hasn't been established whether this God is supernatural or can be explained with scientific means", I don't see how we can use any of this. --Serenity 01:21, 22 June 2007 (CDT)