Talk:Leoben Conoy (New Caprica copy)/Archive 1

Note on Cylon Numbers

I don't know what other people think, but now that four of the twelve Cylon model numbers are accounted for, can we put a note on Conoy saying something to the effect of, "Leoben Conoy is either Number 1, 2, 4, 7, 9, or 10? I couldn't figure out how to place it.--Wldkt1 18:34, 25 February 2006 (EST)

There's no way to word it without that being clumsy. We shouldn't make a note of it until we know for certain. --Peter Farago 18:40, 25 February 2006 (EST)

Don't bother doing anything saying "well, it's one of these 8 numbers" is just too complicated.--The Merovingian 19:11, 25 February 2006 (EST)

I'm betting on Leoben being number 4. Anyone else want to venture a guess (just for fun)? --Redwall 20:16, 25 February 2006 (EST)

I don't know, he could be number 2--Wldkt1 20:21, 2 March 2006 (CST)

Hi. I feel I should point out that both the DVD cover and an entry in RDM's Blog at Scifi.com refer to this Cylon as 'Leobon', not 'Leoben'.--Noneofyourbusiness 15:39, 4 March (EST)

The official site is notriously bad on exact spelling; IMDB lists it with an e.--The Merovingian 14:41, 4 March 2006 (CST)

Spelling?

I don't mean to be dense here, but just why is Leoben's surname consistently spelled "Conoy" when Roslin distinctly pronounces it as "Conroy" in Flesh and Bone? I've poked around a bit and this is the only instance that I can find of the name actually being spoken in the series. Did Roslin mispronounce it or is this a misspelling that has gotten way out of hand? Just wondering about that for a while now...--Grugnir

Siblings

Should we mention that all humanoid Cylons are technically siblings, as has been mentioned on screen is thus canon?--Noneofyourbusiness 15:59, 17 March 2006 (EST)

It would be nice I think. After all, the Cavil's referred to each other as "Brother", and not because of G-Cavil's role as a priest. Six also called Sharon "little sister". This in itself supports not only what they call one another but also possibly supporting the age theory. I just agree that it would be good to add. --Sauron18 17 March 2006

It's an "attitude" but not really true; no it should not be included. I mean, Sharon actually said she "thought of" Starbuck as her "big sister". It should not be put into a character template like that. --The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 21:47, 19 March 2006 (CST)

Absolutely not. --Peter Farago 21:48, 19 March 2006 (CST)

Don't they say "We are gods childeren." at one point? I have to go back to find the excat wording and when it's said, but I am pretty sure Six (In Guais's Head) says something like this at one point when Eight and the good doctor are together. --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 22:14, 19 March 2006 (CST)

Shane, it doesn't matter. The term "siblings" does not apply to Cylons in the conventionally understood sense. --Peter Farago 22:18, 19 March 2006 (CST)

Mine was just a comment.. Just a comment. But if you want my option.. Wikipedia:Sibbling defines it as

A family is a domestic group of people (or a number of domestic groups), typically affiliated by birth or marriage, or by comparable legal relationships — including domestic partnership, adoption, surname and (in some cases) ownership (as occurred in the Roman Empire).

Although many people (including social scientists) have understood familial relationships in terms of "blood", many anthropologists have argued that one must understand the notion of "blood" metaphorically, and that many societies understand 'family' through other concepts rather than through "blood."

Blood or in our case is Synthic Pathways. They are all the same. They seems to have a common bond in which they were formed. They were rasied together, they were "Downloaded" together, they even have could be considered a Wikipedia:Clan which falls under Family. As long as one has an understanding of where they came from, in this case God, to them, they have a system of Heiarchy. Even stated right here in Cylon_agent does it say, "Cylon agents can be programmed to believe that they are truly human. These are known as "sleeper" agents. Sleeper agents appear to have a low-level Cylon personality that can conduct operations while placing the human sleeper personality "on-hold". The first copy of Sharon Valerii, known by her callsign of "Boomer" on battlestar Galactica, had little awareness of her true nature until her arrest for the attempted assassination of William Adama (Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II). This sleeper agent conducted or aided in sabotage operations within the Fleet ("Water", "Litmus"). Most agent copies, particularly Numbers Five and Six, imitate human personalities, but are fully aware of their true nature.". This gives me proof that we do beleive that they are somewhat connected and they do feel like Siblings. If this is cause to go against this, we should change that page to say, "They are not connected to one another. No Cylons ever hangs out with another due to the fact they are not related." Not to mention that Cavil says "Hello Brother" as he enters the cell. --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 22:32, 19 March 2006 (CST)

Shane just let it go, it's not supported. --The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 22:38, 19 March 2006 (CST)

By two people out of a little over 1,000 people on the Wiki? --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 22:40, 19 March 2006 (CST)

The most it deserves is the (possible) note that they appear to think of eachother as siblings. --Durandal 23:36, 19 March 2006 (CST)

I put that note in the Cylon History article. I thought it might be nice to add them as Siblings, but if the majority is against it I don't mind. Just an idea.--Noneofyourbusiness 13:14, 20 March 2006 (EST)

My count from this is... --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 12:40, 20 March 2006 (CST)

It's really not that important.--Noneofyourbusiness 14:48, 20 March 2006 (EST)

Although it can provide a useful guideline, this wiki is not run on a majority rules basis. --Peter Farago 18:19, 28 March 2006 (CST)

To chime in... I believe the whole "brother" or "sister" thing is analogous with groups of friends calling each other "brother" or "sister". They're not related by bloodlines, but rather by friendship. Also, the whole "brother" and "sister" terminology has more religious over tones, given the Cylon's creation of a monotheistic religion. -- Joe Beaudoin 22:03, 28 March 2006 (CST)

Straw Vote

Support

1. Shane
2. Noneofyourbusiness
3. Minor - Durandal
4. Sauron18

Not Support

1. The Merovingian
2. Peter Farago
3. Mrxerox
4. Day ^(talk) 01:31, 29 March 2006 (CST) (This is kind of silly, no?)

Neutral