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| At the end of the miniseries, Adama discovers a note in his quarters. The note clearly reads, "THERE ARE ONLY 12 CYLON MODELS". I believe this settles the issue. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 01:34, 2 Apr 2005 (EST)
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| :However, I believe (though I have no links) that RDM has said something to the effect that the comment referred to merely 12 humanoid Cylon models, not all Cylons. It wouldn't be the first time they changed something from the miniseries for the show (for example, Helo or the Cylon Raiders switch form missiles to guns). Plus, if you add up all the different Cylons seen so far, I think it's already over 12. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 13:39, 19 Jun 2005 (EDT)
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| Are we debating where the note in Adama's quarters, and 6's statements to Baltar about there being "12 Cylon Models" refers to 12 Humano-Cylon body types, in which case we have confirmed sightings of 4.
| | :"The missing 3 will give you the five who come from the home of the thirteenth" |
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| If we include ALL Cylons, this would add [[Cylon Warrior]], [[Cylon Raider]], Transports, and [[Cylon Basestar]], this brings the total up to 8.
| | The human/cylon child hera obviously has a central role in the series. This is evidenced by her prescence in the opera house, 6 and baltar's delusion that the child is theirs, and the desire of both the human's and the cylons to retain possession of the child. Ill avoid discussing the the childs intended representation as the next evolutionary step in mankinds developement in order to emphasize a few overlooked facts. Conception has eluded the cylons until hera's birth. They can build machines, but they cannot create life. This leaves them unable to fufill the Cylon God's law to be fruitfull and multiply, i.e. procreate. If they cannot concieve they remain outside their god's will. |
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| If we include [[Cogitators]] and [[Cylon Centurion]] from the first war, that brings us up to 10.
| | ::A. HERA - is the product of a female cylon (sharon) and a male human (helo) thus estalishing that conception is possiblewith a couple composed of these constituient parts. |
| | ::B. NICK- is the product of a male cylon (tyrol) and a female human (cally) validating this type of conception is possible. |
| | ::C. BABY6 - is the product of a male cylon and a female cylon the last remaining combination and supposedly not possible. (is it tighs love for ellen a human that enables this conception ?) |
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| [[User:Grimlock|Grimlock]] 21:21, 19 Jun 2005 (EDT)
| | However, back to the puzzle the missing 3 (Hera , Nick, Baby6) are 3 misssing babies will give you the five; so there must be a relationship here to the final five |
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| PS How do I include a link, as I've done here, but with different text? And while I'm at it, what is a good way to find the link I'm looking for?
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| | Tory....hid baby hera at roslins direction |
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| | which leaves only 1 who has to be related in some way to the hybrid babies.....and which im keeping to myself....the baby's are the clue see if you can piece it together {{unsigned|Richnpoor}} |
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| :: Do it like this (but without the spaces between the brackets): [ [Adama, William|Commander Adama] ] | | == Mechanical humanoid Cylons == |
| | How should we handle the mechanical humanoid Cylons from Caprica? Should we create a separate article for them, or should we give them a section in this article? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 22:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC) |
| | :An own article might be warranted. We'll see when it airs. I don't think we should put them together with the modern humanoid Cylons. From what I read so far, they are more like machines, possibly with some biological components. But not ''humanoid''. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC) |
| | ::[[Zoe Graystone|Zoe-R]] looks completely human in the Caprica trailer. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 01:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC) |
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| And I think it'd be more than ten; there are:
| | == Final Five == |
| #Cylon Centurian (seen in miniseries museum)
| | Should the Final Five section of the article be edited to match the layout of the Significant Seven part? To me personally it makes sense, simply for neatness and a better flow for the article. My proposed change is that each Final Five Cylon would have a subheading, picture and short blurb ala the Significant Seven. Instead of having the current subheading "The Final Cylon Model" we'd have "Samuel Anders", "Tory Foster", "Ellen Tigh", "Saul Tigh" and "Galen Tyrol" (I've went by alphabetical surname). Thoughts? -- [[User:Joveus|Joveus]] 08:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC) |
| #Original Basestar (seen in miniseries museum)
| | :I couldn't agree more. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC) |
| #Original Raider
| | ::Well I've made the changes. I've also removed the "Thirteenth Cylon" bit because nothing has really been said about it in the series. However I think that might turn up on "A Disquiet Follows My Soul" tonight so maybe it'll come back. The article is 40kb now, and apparantly some browsers have difficulty supporting over 32kb. -- [[User:Joveus|Joveus]] 07:59, 23 January 2009 (UTC) |
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| So, going by the reasoning that there are twelve total models of Cylons including all the different Humanoid variants, that means there's a grand total of one more Cylon to be revealed. And since in press releases RDM has said that Season Two will introduce "one '''or two''' new Cylons" that's clearly not true. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 23:45, 19 Jun 2005 (EDT)
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| :You're assuming that the original basestar, raider, and centurian are current models. Perhaps they're old models that have been replaced, and do not count against the twelve—after all, you don't say "there are twelve models of Mercedes-Benz" and then count every model they've manufactured since 1965. Staying with current models leaves us with:
| | I removed the sentence ''"Their bodies at the time of the First Cylon War and the Fall of the Twelve Colonies are not their original bodies, which were destroyed by the nuclear warfare on Earth."'' as [[The Plan]] reveals this to be false. --[[User:Lord Wolfe|Lord Wolfe]] 03:54, 25 January 2011 (UTC) |
| | :No, it doesn't. Were you thinking the bodies in the tanks were their originals? They aren't. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 05:25, 25 January 2011 (UTC) |
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| :leaving four more to be revealed. Five if you don't count the Basestar, and seven if you don't count the Raiders. (One of the new Cylons in Season 2, by the way, is another avatar of Number Six, and not a new model). Another thing—if you're going to throw out the miniseries in order to eliminate the note left in Adama's quarters, then that cuts against the only appearance of the original Cylon Centurion, etc. Furthermore, if their intent is to deceive humans, then they can replace old models—there only has to be twelve models at one time. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 16:53, 7 Aug 2005 (EDT)
| | Personally, I always thought "Significant Seven" and "Final Five" were a little too cute, and changing it to "Significant Eight" is simply grating. Now that we know the full difference between the two sets, maybe we can use more appropriate descriptors, say, "Colonial Cylons" for the Seven/Eight, and "Terran Cylons" for the Five. -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 13:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC) |
| | *"Significant Seven" is a term coined by RDM himself. Apparently that's what the writers call them. -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 13:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC) |
| | :Indeed, but Significant Eight is a silly term now that they've added another. They are the humanoid Cylons made by the final five if you want to get descriptive, or the ones made near the twelve colonies. Can't call them "The Eight" as that might mean that model.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 04:58, 16 February 2009 (UTC) |
| | **I think we should keep the titles "Significant Seven" and "Final Five", and just mention the Daniel & the Sevens within the section of the Significant Seven regardless of the fact that there are techincally eight. The fact is that they AREN'T the "significant eight", as only seven of them are significant, and although we should definitely reference the Daniels they are, at least as a model and probably even the one, not present in the story or in the Cylon society at all. -[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 04:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC) |
| | :::Is catchy alliteration that much more important than accuracy? I say go with "The Eight", or maybe "Colonial Cylons" (the Eight) vs. "Earth Cylons" or "Terran Cylons" (the Five). --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 07:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC) |
| | :Significant Seven is a semi-official nickname and Significant Eight is the most logical extrapolation to cover eight models, so I vote for Significant Eight most definitively. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 07:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC) |
| | :The Significant Seven are the cylons covered by Baltar/Sixes conversation on the base ship after New Caprica. Daniel can not be counted as part of the significant SEVEN. Daniel's place in the continuity is minimal but great enough to be just called the 7th or plain Daniel. |
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| :Not to mention that the Heavy Raider and Raider might be variants of the same model, and not separate models in and of themselves. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 17:02, 7 Aug 2005 (EDT)
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| Unless those sneaky Cylons lied about the 12 thing just to mess with the cast's head... Random thought: Six specified that she is Model 6 of 12. I know "model" heavily implies something physical, but have any of they Cylons specified that "model" refers to their bodies?
| | Shouldn't Zoe Graystone be mentioned here somewhere? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 23:24, 26 February 2011 (UTC) |
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| I guess where I'm going with this is that could "model" by like a "personality model?" That said, certain personality models might have an affinity for a certain body type. Like Conoy #2 might have woken up as a Cylon Warrior or as a #6 because another Conoy body wasn't available at the time.
| | : No, because she's not a humanoid Cylon. Technically, she's not even a skin-job, she's more of an android with biological components. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 00:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
| | | :: She can be mentioned in a development-history kind of sense. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 01:12, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
| Or not. I'm a little zorched
| | ::: Yeah, that's what I meant. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] |
| [[User:Grimlock|Grimlock]] 06:56, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT)
| | ::: I guess it could be mentioned in that light. Note that the technology needed to create the skinjobs was from the Final Five / 13th Colony, not really developed from Caprica. (They attempted to do it on their own, but ended up with the hybrids.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 17:48, 27 February 2011 (UTC) |
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| :That is an interesting theory; however, I don't think there's any evidence either way to prove it. I eman, so far, all the 6s have acted like 6s, all the Dorals have acted like Doral, etc. But the way they explain their 'regeneration' makes it seem like they could easily move to another type of Cylon body. But then again, I don't imagine that they'd have a problem with spare bodies, or maybe their consciousness cna just be stored until a new body becomes available.[[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 11:17, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT)
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| So if 12 models just means Humano-Cylon models, who are the remaining 8? So far we have
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| I've read Lucy Lawless will be one of the 2 revealed this season, so that'd be 5. I've heard discussions of Col Tigh's wife, Lt Gaeta, Lee Adama, and I had suspicions about Petty Officer Dualla reinforced when the Cylons boarded the ship but she was found alone and alive surrounded by dead crewmembers. I also had suspicions of Commander Adama just because he acts so strangely. For example, he received that clue about only 12 models, but never mentioned it to anyone, and continued on like it was nothing. Maybe Boomer tried to kill him because she knows he's a Cylon and the human emotion part of her overcame her cylon side for a split second... Anyways, does anyone have any serious intel about this? Does another number 6 called Gina (albeit brunette, but same model) count as one of the two new cylons revealed this season?
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| :Dualla's horny? The only moderately horny thing she ever did was kiss Billy in the miniseries, and I chalk that up to just needing a kiss because of all the destruction and loss that was going on. There's also not THAT much to indicate that Cylon women are that horny, other than Six, who's designed for that purpose. Sharon seems pretty normal in terms of sex drive, and is for the most part monagamous, unlike, say, Starbuck. Ellen Tigh uses sex as a weapon if anything and hasn't shown any signs of having a hyperactive sex drive. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 20:00, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)
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| Taking off from the above section, along with the comments mentioned on the front article from RDM, I'm curious as to everyone's take on this idea:
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| If the "12 Models" are to be reflections of 12 different archetypes of humanity, what do the [[Cylon_Models#Known_Models|Cylon models]] represent?
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| My current theory on this would be each model represents a facet of human society, being personified through a physical form. Allow me to elaborate:
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| # [[Number Six]]: Faith. Through the [[Miniseries]], as well as through the first 33 episodes, a key aspect of Six has been her profession of Faith (through the correctness of her God, and supposed idolotry of the Colonials). In [[Kobol's_Last_Gleaming,_Part_II|Kobol's Last Gleaming]], she mentioned in the opera house how God chose [[Gaius Baltar]] to do his work.
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| # [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]]: Love. As seen through her two separate relationships, the message has been clear. Love will transcend any progamming.
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| # [[D'anna Biers]]: Truth. As a reporter ([[Final Cut]]), her goal was to get to the heart of the matter, regardless of emotion.
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| # [[Leoben Conoy]]: Deception. We've seen this one only twice, and in both instances he has only provided confusion, fear, and anarchy. This can't be exemplified than in [[Flesh and Bone]], where he had just about everyone spinning.
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| # [[Aaron Doral]]: History. As a people, we often turn to our past to define ourselves, whether or not we change. We also do what we can to capture moments through the actions we do. Doral, as a PR guy, explained ''[[Galactica]]'s'' purpose historically, and arranged events to capture moments in time ([[Miniseries]]). During the observation of Helo on Caprica, mentioned how "children need to go into their own" when their parents die ([[Water]]).
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| # [[Simon]]: Life. Based on the relatively limited information we have ([[The Farm]]), my initial guess is that he was designed to examine life. His interest in procreating [[Humano-Cylon|Humano-Cylons]] would lead in to that.
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| Keep in mind that there are still two other Humano-Cylons in the Fleet, as well as four that have yet to be seen. As the series progresses, I hope to be able to add to this list, and get a better picture of this ideal.
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| This information current as of 1/7/06. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]]
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| There are 8 Cylons left in the Fleet, not 2. We only know one of them: D'anna Biers. And the humans don't know she's a Cylon.
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| :I might have been unclear about that statement; of the eight cylons that were mentioned, two more have yet to be discovered. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 00:47, 9 January 2006 (EST)
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| ::No. There are eight Cylons in the fleet. One is D'anna biers, the remaining seven are of unknown models. Those seven could include one of each of the remaining six models to be discovered, or copies of the ones we already know, or any combination thereof. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:12, 9 January 2006 (EST) | |
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| I really don't think your breakdown works at all; for starters I don't think that they're "archetypes" are one-word concepts necessarily, for example I don't think Doral represents history, he more represents "the type of officeworker person that values order and coordination" or sometihng. Most importantly, ''Leoben'' represents "Faith". Actually, we've heard rumors that there is one model that is the dedicated Priest/Friar/religious model, so in that case Leoben would be deception. Still, Number Six represents Lust more than Faith. And I don't know if we could pin down Sharon as representing "Love" ''necessarily''; she represents a lot of things. -->At any rate, I don't think we'll really be able to sit down and assign these things until AFTER all 12 (original? at this point) models are revealed (I feel/hope that they Cylons will eventually (season 6-7?) break their own religious rules or whatever limiting them to 12, in their desire to destroy the humans at any cost). --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 19:10, 8 January 2006 (EST)
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| :For the 'one-word concept', I was trying to see up to this point if it could be done, using what information we had available from the 30 odd episodes. I didn't figure that this was 'complete' by any stretch, I'm sure to update it as we see more [[Humano-Cylon]] models (hence the date). For all I know, there are other aspects of humanity that haven't been considered (such as Lust, which thinking about it, does make sense for Number Six). Appreciate the input though, and I look forward to further discussions about this. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 00:47, 9 January 2006 (EST) | |
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| Six could also be Passion, given her capacity to anger and violence as well as sensuality. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 16:15, 9 January 2006 (EST)
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| == Origin of the Term "Humano-Cylon"? ==
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| We use the term here often, of course, to describe these mechanisms. However, I've never heard it used in any dialogue or in any official information from Ron D. Moore or other creative staff. Can someone note a source for this term, or was it originally created here to give a suitable name for our encyclopaedia? I'm not petitioning to change the name--far from it. But if this name is contrived for our local use, we should make a note of it on the page. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:07, 18 Aug 2005 (EDT)
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| : It more or less means "humanoid Cylon". Obviously, it's a term coined by one or more of our Wikipedians, and should probably be noted as such. -- [[User:70.146.97.40|70.146.97.40]] 20:25, 18 Aug 2005 (EDT) (a.k.a. Joe)
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| :: Done. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:00, 12 September 2005 (EDT)
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| ::: Boomer referred to them as "the human models" in "Flesh and Bone" (see [[Cylons]] for the full quote). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:12, 12 September 2005 (EDT)
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| ==Hybrids/Sharon's daughter article?==
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| I realize that Sharon's daughter is only a 7-8 weel old fetus at this point, but should we make a character article for her now? (Hey, against my initial protests about spoilers Admiral Nelena Cain got an article, and she hasn't even appeared yet).
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| Separate from that article, should we have a new article or subsection on the hybrids? What do we even *''call''* the bybrids? Just "the Hybrids?" or what? I got the impression that the Human-Cylon Hybrids were going to be as different from the humanoid-Cylons as the humanoid-Cylons were from Humans (as well as the older Cylons). ***Is it "Human-Cylon Hybrid" or "Cylon-Human Hybrid" for that matter? Should we use a dash or a foward slash, i.e. "Human-Cylon Hybrid" or "Human/Cylon Hybrid"?
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| Should they get a subsection on the humanoid Cylon article, or a stub there and an entirely new page for themselves? I think if they are radically different from both Humans and Cylons (as I said) that would seem justified.
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| How are they different? How are they the "Children of God"? What makes them different from Humans if humanoid Cylons are already almost indestinguishable from Humans? How are they still Cylons? Heck, we're still not sure what makes a humanoid Cylon a Cylon ("Silica Relays" remains ill-defined).
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| Back to Sharon's daughter (she said in "Home, Part II" that it would be a girl), I wonder what her name will be, etc. ---Ricimer, 11 Sept, 2005
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| :Since, as you've pointed out, we don't actually know all that much about Humano-Cylons, let alone hybrids, I would suggest commenting on the hybrids in a sectino of the Humano-Cylon article. Let's try to keep the amount of speculation manageable until we know more. I've heard that we'll be getting some more details on Sharon's child at around episode 13 of this season. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:36, 11 September 2005 (EDT)
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| Shouldn't Number 6 be the sixth model listed? [[User:Quantum jim|Quantum jim]] 10:41, 23 September 2005 (EDT)
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| : Since we don't have any numbers to the other models, the order really doesn't matter. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 11:22, 23 September 2005 (EDT)
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| == Re: Adama and Gaeta being ruled out as "Humano-Cylons" ==
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| : ''Moved from article by [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] at 14:50, 16 October 2005 (EDT). Reason: This does not belong in the article text, as it is structured like a conversation.''
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| Note that both William Adama and Felix Gaeta were unaffected by the storms of [[Ragnar Anchorage]] ([[Mini-Series]]). This makes it very unlikely that either is a Humano-Cylon. The only ways around this are if the Cylons developed a way of shielding some models from the storms, or replaced the real Adama or Gaeta with a Cylon copy after Galactica visited Ragnar. This also rules out most of the crew of Galactica--it seems reasonable that all future Humano-Cylons to be revealed will be newly arrived or from the civilian ships accompanying Galactica. -- Added by [[User:Vasi|Vasi]].
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| " RDM, in an inteview with Star Trek: Deep Space Nine veteran Chase Masterson on "The Chase Show" on an audio webcast on TheFandom.com on October 24, 2005, puts Ellen's possibility as a Cylon to rest:
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| Ron: Yeah, I played with that motion myself for awhile, then I thought--I figured it was a big enough coincidence that she was alive. That's like the one 'bye' I was willing to go. OK, Colonel Tigh's wife, out of all the billions that are dead, we've going to say that she is found alive. And I thought it was pushing it one step too far to say, 'and she's a Cylon.'
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| Unless TPTB change their minds, the likelihood of Ellen being a Cylon is now officially next to moot. "
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| --> No, I believe that what he meant by the above statement was that saying that she was a Cylon in the ''same episode she first appeared in'' would be pushing it, but that he ENTIRELY left the door open on that one. Maybe they're reveal it later. It really looks like he meant "saying she's a Cylon in that episode" and I do not feel that the subject of Ellen Tigh was really in any way expanded by this episode; it's just statements which he has actually made before. Therefore, I have moved this here. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 19:12, 12 November 2005 (EST)
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| ==Cylon Series Revision==
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| Notice of intent: I will be merging substantial content from here into the new article [[Cylon Models]], and splitting off the speculative portions into a new article. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:32, 30 December 2005 (EST)
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| :If anyone's up to getting one, the new Cylon Models article could stand a provocative screenshot of a bioCylon, perhaps one in combat. The Starbuck/Six fight would make a good one from [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:42, 30 December 2005 (EST)
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The Final Cylon, Conception and Prophecy
- "The missing 3 will give you the five who come from the home of the thirteenth"
The human/cylon child hera obviously has a central role in the series. This is evidenced by her prescence in the opera house, 6 and baltar's delusion that the child is theirs, and the desire of both the human's and the cylons to retain possession of the child. Ill avoid discussing the the childs intended representation as the next evolutionary step in mankinds developement in order to emphasize a few overlooked facts. Conception has eluded the cylons until hera's birth. They can build machines, but they cannot create life. This leaves them unable to fufill the Cylon God's law to be fruitfull and multiply, i.e. procreate. If they cannot concieve they remain outside their god's will.
- A. HERA - is the product of a female cylon (sharon) and a male human (helo) thus estalishing that conception is possiblewith a couple composed of these constituient parts.
- B. NICK- is the product of a male cylon (tyrol) and a female human (cally) validating this type of conception is possible.
- C. BABY6 - is the product of a male cylon and a female cylon the last remaining combination and supposedly not possible. (is it tighs love for ellen a human that enables this conception ?)
However, back to the puzzle the missing 3 (Hera , Nick, Baby6) are 3 misssing babies will give you the five; so there must be a relationship here to the final five
TIGH....parent
TYROL......parent
Tory....hid baby hera at roslins direction
Sam.......I could use help on him
which leaves only 1 who has to be related in some way to the hybrid babies.....and which im keeping to myself....the baby's are the clue see if you can piece it together —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richnpoor (talk • contribs).
Mechanical humanoid Cylons
How should we handle the mechanical humanoid Cylons from Caprica? Should we create a separate article for them, or should we give them a section in this article? -- Gordon Ecker 22:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
- An own article might be warranted. We'll see when it airs. I don't think we should put them together with the modern humanoid Cylons. From what I read so far, they are more like machines, possibly with some biological components. But not humanoid. -- Serenity 15:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- Zoe-R looks completely human in the Caprica trailer. -- Gordon Ecker 01:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Final Five
Should the Final Five section of the article be edited to match the layout of the Significant Seven part? To me personally it makes sense, simply for neatness and a better flow for the article. My proposed change is that each Final Five Cylon would have a subheading, picture and short blurb ala the Significant Seven. Instead of having the current subheading "The Final Cylon Model" we'd have "Samuel Anders", "Tory Foster", "Ellen Tigh", "Saul Tigh" and "Galen Tyrol" (I've went by alphabetical surname). Thoughts? -- Joveus 08:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- I couldn't agree more. -- Noneofyourbusiness 14:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Well I've made the changes. I've also removed the "Thirteenth Cylon" bit because nothing has really been said about it in the series. However I think that might turn up on "A Disquiet Follows My Soul" tonight so maybe it'll come back. The article is 40kb now, and apparantly some browsers have difficulty supporting over 32kb. -- Joveus 07:59, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I removed the sentence "Their bodies at the time of the First Cylon War and the Fall of the Twelve Colonies are not their original bodies, which were destroyed by the nuclear warfare on Earth." as The Plan reveals this to be false. --Lord Wolfe 03:54, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- No, it doesn't. Were you thinking the bodies in the tanks were their originals? They aren't. -- Noneofyourbusiness 05:25, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Significant Eight and Final Five?
Personally, I always thought "Significant Seven" and "Final Five" were a little too cute, and changing it to "Significant Eight" is simply grating. Now that we know the full difference between the two sets, maybe we can use more appropriate descriptors, say, "Colonial Cylons" for the Seven/Eight, and "Terran Cylons" for the Five. -- David cgc 13:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- "Significant Seven" is a term coined by RDM himself. Apparently that's what the writers call them. -- Troyian 13:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- Indeed, but Significant Eight is a silly term now that they've added another. They are the humanoid Cylons made by the final five if you want to get descriptive, or the ones made near the twelve colonies. Can't call them "The Eight" as that might mean that model.--bradtem 04:58, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- I think we should keep the titles "Significant Seven" and "Final Five", and just mention the Daniel & the Sevens within the section of the Significant Seven regardless of the fact that there are techincally eight. The fact is that they AREN'T the "significant eight", as only seven of them are significant, and although we should definitely reference the Daniels they are, at least as a model and probably even the one, not present in the story or in the Cylon society at all. -Sauron18 04:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- Is catchy alliteration that much more important than accuracy? I say go with "The Eight", or maybe "Colonial Cylons" (the Eight) vs. "Earth Cylons" or "Terran Cylons" (the Five). --April Arcus 07:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- Significant Seven is a semi-official nickname and Significant Eight is the most logical extrapolation to cover eight models, so I vote for Significant Eight most definitively. -- Noneofyourbusiness 07:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- The Significant Seven are the cylons covered by Baltar/Sixes conversation on the base ship after New Caprica. Daniel can not be counted as part of the significant SEVEN. Daniel's place in the continuity is minimal but great enough to be just called the 7th or plain Daniel.
Zoe
Shouldn't Zoe Graystone be mentioned here somewhere? Ausir 23:24, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
- No, because she's not a humanoid Cylon. Technically, she's not even a skin-job, she's more of an android with biological components. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 00:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- She can be mentioned in a development-history kind of sense. -- Noneofyourbusiness 01:12, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's what I meant. Ausir
- I guess it could be mentioned in that light. Note that the technology needed to create the skinjobs was from the Final Five / 13th Colony, not really developed from Caprica. (They attempted to do it on their own, but ended up with the hybrids.) -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 17:48, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
