Talk:William Adama/Archive 1

Just curious, but what's going on with the page? I thought it had more information than this... -- Joe Beaudoin 19:59, 5 May 2005 (EDT)

As it turns out, it did? Is this currently being revised? If so, that's great. -- Joe Beaudoin 20:01, 5 May 2005 (EDT)

Divorced?

Is there a source for his being divorced from Anne and a reason she is not mentioned in his "Marital Status" entry? --CalculatinAvatar 21:17, 28 December 2005 (EST)

I don't believe Adama was divorced from Anne at all, but in any case no episode data confirms that status. Note he wears a wedding ring in the miniseries. Also note his sadness on announcing Caprica City's nuking, suggesting other loved ones (maybe Anne) was a victim, too. The only information we can confirm thus far is that Adama married twice. --Spencerian 11:29, 17 January 2006 (EST)

OK, NOT the Adama I Expected to Get Kissed

Wow. Resurrection Ship, Part II took me a bit by surprise at the end there. Not Cain getting shot, but Adama's little kiss with Roslin. That was an interesting turn. Not sure what to make of it, other than I was getting all girly-swishy watching it all like a soap opera. That should make the next episode more harder to watch with Roslin...well, don't want to spoil it. And damn, I'm glad the wiki's back up. --Spencerian 23:32, 13 January 2006 (EST)

I was incredibly impressed with Olmos' acting just after the kiss. After she turned away and his face fell... I could very easily sense the utter depth of sorrow the Commander Admiral was feeling. I've seen that face a few times in real life regarding real life sickness and loss and, well, as I said, I was impressed. --Day 02:35, 14 January 2006 (EST)

Another good bit of Olmos' acting was in the last episode. I didn't notice it until after I listened to the podcast, but Olmos wipes away a tear as he turns around to hear Roslin say one more thing as he leaves Colonial One in the scene before the battle plan scene. He's a damn fine actor--they all are. --Spencerian 08:36, 14 January 2006 (EST)

I thought that RDM said something in the podcast about Olmos spontaneously adding the kiss, which is why Roslin's reaction is so good. --Deadlygopher 14:55, 16 January 2006 (EST)

That's correct. I learned this later myself when someone else noted this from the podcast as well as well as from the podcast when I listened in, too. --Spencerian 11:26, 17 January 2006 (EST)

"Roll the hard six"

Does anyone know what "rolling the hard six" actually refers to? I know it has to do with the game of craps, but I don't know specifically what it means. It would help if i did, because I've started using it completley inadvertently in everyday speech, along with frak. My friends look at me like I'm insane, its pretty bad. --BMS 00:52, 29 January 2006 (EST)

Dude...Six is the highest number on dice. "Rolling the hard six" means getting a high number, when your really need it in a difficult situation...as this is a statistically rare occurance, it is "hard" to do. This doesn't refer to anything specific at all; this is intuitive.--Ricimer 01:01, 29 January 2006 (EST)

First, I don't think you're right. I believe the reference is more specific than that.

Secondly, It would have been a simple matter to phrase your response without a condescending tone. Instead of what you actually said, you could've said "I think 'rolling the hard six' simply refers to actually rolling a six on a die. Since six is the highest number on dice, it means getting a high number when you really need it, and since rolling a 6 is statistically rare, it is "hard" to do."

Why is it necessary to be rude to other members of the wiki? It only encourages them to be rude back to you, and I know you've had problems with users flaming you in the past - well, this is why they did it. A less civilized person might decide to insult you every chance they get, after the several comments you've made at me.

When you insult me or other frequent posters, it is merely an annoyance. However, when you insult those who are relatively new to the wiki, you are actually scaring them. I know if I got a comment like that on my first post, I might decide never to post again. This damages the wiki, as there may be quality posters waiting in the wings who you could be scaring off. Please, choose your words carefully and refrain from being rude - to everyone, from newbs to admins and everyone in between. --BMS 11:13, 29 January 2006 (EST)

This is not rude, it is blunt honesty, and should be taken as such.--Ricimer 11:27, 29 January 2006 (EST)

There're plenty of ways to be honest and even blunt, but not rude. In fact, I don't think you were very blunt at all. Blunt would have been more like: "Six is the highest number on dice. That is "hard" to roll." And BMS's sample would have been just as honest (read: truthful) as your post. Additionally, just because you intended something to be blunt and honest, but not rude, doesn't mean others must take it that way; the onus is on you to make sure your intent is clear in the words and phrases you choose. --Day 13:05, 29 January 2006 (EST)

In [standard craps], "hard six" specifically refers to the combination 3-3 on two dice. You can roll a six 5 different ways (1-5,2-4,3-3,4-2,5-1) only 1 of which is "hard". When a player needs a six, any of the combinations will do. The odds against making a hard six are 10-1, since only 1 outcome is favorable and 10 are unfavorable (namely, the other 4 ways to make a six, and all 6 ways to make a seven). So the symmetry and low frequency of 3-3 lead to its special designation. The same is true of hard 4, 8 and 10. There is no "hard 2" or "hard 12" for a variety of reasons including the obvious one (there's only one way to roll them anyhow). --JohnH 12:40, 29 January 2006 (EST)

Thanks, John. This has been bugging me for a long time, too. Now we all know. --Day 13:05, 29 January 2006 (EST)

Yes, yes, thank you. I am quite sorry. Please, let's put this unpleasantness behind us.--Ricimer 13:14, 29 January 2006 (EST)

That's what I thought it was. I've noticed that I've also been saying this in normal conversation. --Talos 13:32, 29 January 2006 (EST)

Thanks a ton John. That helps a lot, now I can actually explain it when someone asks. Talos: its pretty bad, isn't it? Doesn't mean I'm gonna stop doing it, though! --BMS 13:42, 29 January 2006 (EST)

Hey, don't feel bad, I insert it into conversation on purpose--Ricimer 14:16, 29 January 2006 (EST)

Husker

Say, is there a way to get the Character template to stop saying William "Husker" Adama? He has not been addressed as Husker, so it might be more of a confusion than anything to have it say that. As a Commander and now an Admiral, he has not been known as a Viper pilot for quite a while. Long before we became "acquainted" with him. Rocky8311 23:47, 24 February 2006 (EST)

Yeah, I'm not a fan of it either (or anything on that template, for that matter) - but if we get rid of his callsign, should we also get rid of Lee's? --Peter Farago 23:59, 24 February 2006 (EST)

Sources?

There are lots of things in this article that weren't stated in any of the shows. Shouldn't these things have notes as to their sources?

"At the outbreak of the first Cylon War, Adama was serving in the Colonial Fleet as a Viper pilot. He allegedly gained the call sign of "Husker" on account of his baritone "gravelled" voice. He proved to be a gifted pilot, shooting down his first Cylon on his very first mission. He racked-up his 1,000th deck landing while serving aboard the Battlestar Atlantia (Act of Contrition), when he held the rank of Lieutenant. "

Where is all that from? I can only imagine the Video Game, which is not a legitimate source (according to the Citation Jihad Project)

"before the pressures of Adama's career and the time he spent away from home of active service began to place a strain on their marriage."

Has it ever been stated why they divorced?

"but within a few years he had been discharged as the result of a reduction-in-force."

We don't know why he was discharged.

Just a few examples.

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We certainly know he was a gifted viper pilot, though the "in the First Cylon War" part might be based on deleted scenes. (The flashbacks to Adama and Tigh meeting, etc., certainly say it.) We know he had the callsign "Husker" as well, though, again, maybe just from deleted scenes (the flashbacks to Adama and Tigh meeting, etc., probably); I don't recall knowing why he got it. I don't recall the kill on first mission, either. The 1,000th deck landing thing is apparently referenced in Act of Contrition, which fits with the celebration that was interrupted by the errant probe, but I admit not recalling the line; checking the transcripts would verify.

I don't recall knowing the reason Adama is estranged from his wife, but I do recall that we do not know if they are divorced at all (see above section).

I believe the reduction in force reason was at least heavily implied in deleted scenes (the flashbacks to Adama and Tigh meeting, etc.).

So, the stuff I'd be worried about is the reason for the callsign, the kill on the first mission, and the reason for his estrangement from his wife. All seem reasonable (and the last almost certain), but that's not good enough; someone else can probably source them, though. --CalculatinAvatar 15:02, 9 March 2006 (CST)

We know his callsign because it was printed by the cockpit of his Mark 2 viper in the miniseries.

We don't know wny adama is estranged from his wife, but we know he was divorced because in the miniseries, apollo says that she is getting remarried.

We don't know why Tigh and Adama ended up on a freighter. Maybe they quit after the war? Maybe they were tossed out as reduction in force. It's never said.