Talk:Humanoid Cylon/Archive4

12 Cylon or 12 Humano-Cylon models?

At the end of the miniseries, Adama discovers a note in his quarters. The note clearly reads, "THERE ARE ONLY 12 CYLON MODELS". I believe this settles the issue. Philwelch 01:34, 2 Apr 2005 (EST)

However, I believe (though I have no links) that RDM has said something to the effect that the comment referred to merely 12 humanoid Cylon models, not all Cylons. It wouldn't be the first time they changed something from the miniseries for the show (for example, Helo or the Cylon Raiders switch form missiles to guns). Plus, if you add up all the different Cylons seen so far, I think it's already over 12. Kuralyov 13:39, 19 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Are we debating where the note in Adama's quarters, and 6's statements to Baltar about there being "12 Cylon Models" refers to 12 Humano-Cylon body types, in which case we have confirmed sightings of 4.

If we include ALL Cylons, this would add Cylon Warrior, Cylon Raider, Transports, and Cylon Basestar, this brings the total up to 8.

If we include Cogitators and Cylon Centurion from the first war, that brings us up to 10.

Grimlock 21:21, 19 Jun 2005 (EDT)

PS How do I include a link, as I've done here, but with different text? And while I'm at it, what is a good way to find the link I'm looking for?

Do it like this (but without the spaces between the brackets): [ [Adama, William|Commander Adama] ]

And I think it'd be more than ten; there are:

1. Cylon Centurian (seen in miniseries museum)
2. Original Basestar (seen in miniseries museum)
3. Original Raider
4. New Raider
5. New Basestar
6. Warrior
7. Transport
8. Number Six
9. Conoy
10. Doral
11. Boomer

So, going by the reasoning that there are twelve total models of Cylons including all the different Humanoid variants, that means there's a grand total of one more Cylon to be revealed. And since in press releases RDM has said that Season Two will introduce "one or two new Cylons" that's clearly not true. Kuralyov 23:45, 19 Jun 2005 (EDT)

You're assuming that the original basestar, raider, and centurian are current models. Perhaps they're old models that have been replaced, and do not count against the twelve—after all, you don't say "there are twelve models of Mercedes-Benz" and then count every model they've manufactured since 1965. Staying with current models leaves us with:

1. Basestar
2. Centurion
3. Raider
4. Heavy Raider
5. Boomer
6. Six
7. Doral
8. Leoben Conoy

leaving four more to be revealed. Five if you don't count the Basestar, and seven if you don't count the Raiders. (One of the new Cylons in Season 2, by the way, is another avatar of Number Six, and not a new model). Another thing—if you're going to throw out the miniseries in order to eliminate the note left in Adama's quarters, then that cuts against the only appearance of the original Cylon Centurion, etc. Furthermore, if their intent is to deceive humans, then they can replace old models—there only has to be twelve models at one time. Philwelch 16:53, 7 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Not to mention that the Heavy Raider and Raider might be variants of the same model, and not separate models in and of themselves. Philwelch 17:02, 7 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Unless those sneaky Cylons lied about the 12 thing just to mess with the cast's head... Random thought: Six specified that she is Model 6 of 12. I know "model" heavily implies something physical, but have any of they Cylons specified that "model" refers to their bodies?

I guess where I'm going with this is that could "model" by like a "personality model?" That said, certain personality models might have an affinity for a certain body type. Like Conoy #2 might have woken up as a Cylon Warrior or as a #6 because another Conoy body wasn't available at the time.

Or not. I'm a little zorched Grimlock 06:56, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT)

That is an interesting theory; however, I don't think there's any evidence either way to prove it. I eman, so far, all the 6s have acted like 6s, all the Dorals have acted like Doral, etc. But the way they explain their 'regeneration' makes it seem like they could easily move to another type of Cylon body. But then again, I don't imagine that they'd have a problem with spare bodies, or maybe their consciousness cna just be stored until a new body becomes available.Kuralyov 11:17, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT)

So if 12 models just means Humano-Cylon models, who are the remaining 8? So far we have

1. Number Six
2. Conoy
3. Doral
4. Boomer

I've read Lucy Lawless will be one of the 2 revealed this season, so that'd be 5. I've heard discussions of Col Tigh's wife, Lt Gaeta, Lee Adama, and I had suspicions about Petty Officer Dualla reinforced when the Cylons boarded the ship but she was found alone and alive surrounded by dead crewmembers. I also had suspicions of Commander Adama just because he acts so strangely. For example, he received that clue about only 12 models, but never mentioned it to anyone, and continued on like it was nothing. Maybe Boomer tried to kill him because she knows he's a Cylon and the human emotion part of her overcame her cylon side for a split second... Anyways, does anyone have any serious intel about this? Does another number 6 called Gina (albeit brunette, but same model) count as one of the two new cylons revealed this season?

One more thing. One common thread with the female cylons is that they REALLY enjoy frakking (Sharon with Helo, Sharon with the chief, 6 with Baltar, 6 flirting with Adama), so are Starbuck, Dualla, and Ellen Tigh just healthy horny women, or are they cylons too?EagleDriver 2:23, 30 Jul 2005 (CDT)

Dualla's horny? The only moderately horny thing she ever did was kiss Billy in the miniseries, and I chalk that up to just needing a kiss because of all the destruction and loss that was going on. There's also not THAT much to indicate that Cylon women are that horny, other than Six, who's designed for that purpose. Sharon seems pretty normal in terms of sex drive, and is for the most part monagamous, unlike, say, Starbuck. Ellen Tigh uses sex as a weapon if anything and hasn't shown any signs of having a hyperactive sex drive. Philwelch 20:00, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Origin of the Term "Humano-Cylon"?

We use the term here often, of course, to describe these mechanisms. However, I've never heard it used in any dialogue or in any official information from Ron D. Moore or other creative staff. Can someone note a source for this term, or was it originally created here to give a suitable name for our encyclopaedia? I'm not petitioning to change the name--far from it. But if this name is contrived for our local use, we should make a note of it on the page. Spencerian 10:07, 18 Aug 2005 (EDT)

It more or less means "humanoid Cylon". Obviously, it's a term coined by one or more of our Wikipedians, and should probably be noted as such. -- 70.146.97.40 20:25, 18 Aug 2005 (EDT) (a.k.a. Joe)

Done. Spencerian 14:00, 12 September 2005 (EDT)

Boomer referred to them as "the human models" in "Flesh and Bone" (see Cylons for the full quote). --Peter Farago 17:12, 12 September 2005 (EDT)

Hybrids/Sharon's daughter article?

I realize that Sharon's daughter is only a 7-8 weel old fetus at this point, but should we make a character article for her now? (Hey, against my initial protests about spoilers Admiral Nelena Cain got an article, and she hasn't even appeared yet).

Separate from that article, should we have a new article or subsection on the hybrids? What do we even *call* the bybrids? Just "the Hybrids?" or what? I got the impression that the Human-Cylon Hybrids were going to be as different from the humanoid-Cylons as the humanoid-Cylons were from Humans (as well as the older Cylons). ***Is it "Human-Cylon Hybrid" or "Cylon-Human Hybrid" for that matter? Should we use a dash or a foward slash, i.e. "Human-Cylon Hybrid" or "Human/Cylon Hybrid"?

Should they get a subsection on the humanoid Cylon article, or a stub there and an entirely new page for themselves? I think if they are radically different from both Humans and Cylons (as I said) that would seem justified.

How are they different? How are they the "Children of God"? What makes them different from Humans if humanoid Cylons are already almost indestinguishable from Humans? How are they still Cylons? Heck, we're still not sure what makes a humanoid Cylon a Cylon ("Silica Relays" remains ill-defined).

Back to Sharon's daughter (she said in "Home, Part II" that it would be a girl), I wonder what her name will be, etc. ---Ricimer, 11 Sept, 2005

Since, as you've pointed out, we don't actually know all that much about Humano-Cylons, let alone hybrids, I would suggest commenting on the hybrids in a sectino of the Humano-Cylon article. Let's try to keep the amount of speculation manageable until we know more. I've heard that we'll be getting some more details on Sharon's child at around episode 13 of this season. --Peter Farago 13:36, 11 September 2005 (EDT)

Order of Models

Shouldn't Number 6 be the sixth model listed? Quantum jim 10:41, 23 September 2005 (EDT)

Since we don't have any numbers to the other models, the order really doesn't matter. -- Joe Beaudoin 11:22, 23 September 2005 (EDT)

Re: Adama and Gaeta being ruled out as "Humano-Cylons"

Moved from article by Joe Beaudoin at 14:50, 16 October 2005 (EDT). Reason: This does not belong in the article text, as it is structured like a conversation.

Note that both William Adama and Felix Gaeta were unaffected by the storms of Ragnar Anchorage (Mini-Series). This makes it very unlikely that either is a Humano-Cylon. The only ways around this are if the Cylons developed a way of shielding some models from the storms, or replaced the real Adama or Gaeta with a Cylon copy after Galactica visited Ragnar. This also rules out most of the crew of Galactica--it seems reasonable that all future Humano-Cylons to be revealed will be newly arrived or from the civilian ships accompanying Galactica. -- Added by Vasi.

• It was stated that it actually takes hours for the radiation from Ragnar to visibly affect a humanoid Cylon. Tigh asked Baltar why Doral wasn't visibly sick yet, and Baltar (making it up spur of the moment but actually correct nonetheless) pointed out that Conoy was there for hours before he was visibly affected by the radiation. When they dump Doral at Ragnar right before they leave, he still appears fine; it was only after hours of waiting on the station that he began to fall ill. Also, Boomer would have been given away as a Cylon if they had stayed around long enough for Cylons in the Fleet to start being affected. -- Added by Ricimer.

Ellen Tigh

" RDM, in an inteview with Star Trek: Deep Space Nine veteran Chase Masterson on "The Chase Show" on an audio webcast on TheFandom.com on October 24, 2005, puts Ellen's possibility as a Cylon to rest:

Chase: ...I was actually wondering if she was a Cylon. Ron: Yeah, I played with that motion myself for awhile, then I thought--I figured it was a big enough coincidence that she was alive. That's like the one 'bye' I was willing to go. OK, Colonel Tigh's wife, out of all the billions that are dead, we've going to say that she is found alive. And I thought it was pushing it one step too far to say, 'and she's a Cylon.' Chase: Yeah, I hear ya. No, I completely hear ya... Unless TPTB change their minds, the likelihood of Ellen being a Cylon is now officially next to moot. "

--> No, I believe that what he meant by the above statement was that saying that she was a Cylon in the same episode she first appeared in would be pushing it, but that he ENTIRELY left the door open on that one. Maybe they're reveal it later. It really looks like he meant "saying she's a Cylon in that episode" and I do not feel that the subject of Ellen Tigh was really in any way expanded by this episode; it's just statements which he has actually made before. Therefore, I have moved this here. --Ricimer 19:12, 12 November 2005 (EST)

Cylon Series Revision

Notice of intent: I will be merging substantial content from here into the new article Cylon Models, and splitting off the speculative portions into a new article. --Peter Farago 14:32, 30 December 2005 (EST)

If anyone's up to getting one, the new Cylon Models article could stand a provocative screenshot of a bioCylon, perhaps one in combat. The Starbuck/Six fight would make a good one from Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II. --Spencerian 14:42, 30 December 2005 (EST)

Original Series definition: an all-purpose term for Colonial soldier and Viper pilot (see: Warrior)

Re-imagined Series definition: in military parlance, directive to continue the attack; otherwise used to refer to journalists ^{(TRS: "Maelstrom")}

Re-imagined Series definition: used to signify a civilian transport vessel over a certain gross weight/mass, i.e. Colonial Heavy 798

Re-imagined Series definition: all-purpose vulgarism; Colonial version of "fuck" (see: frak)