Talk:The Ties That Bind/Archive 1

Is this title a hint to everyone's favourite alcoholic colonel? OTW 19:23, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

That would be "The Tighs That Bind". hehe. Like "Tigh me up, Tigh me down". That was a nice play on words. --Serenity 01:22, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

SG1 thing?

Is the SG-1 thing really necessary? After all, I'm sure that here are tons of television shows that have similar names -- for instance, I'm sure that there are shows that have episodes named "Faith". To be honest, I find nothing significant in that note. Thoughts? -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 13:22, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

Agreed. Usually it's simple title that get reused often, but since this is a fixed expression it's not so surprising. --Serenity 13:25, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

Didn't know "The Ties That Bind" was like a common expression (one of the downsides of being a near-native, but still non-native, English speaker), I was under the impression it was simply a Biblical quote. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 13:49, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

The origin is of course that bible quote, but if you google it, you'll also find a Bruce Springsteen song and many news articles that use it. For example "The ties that bind China, Russia and Iran" or "Sony Cuts the Ties That Bind Walkman" or "Technologies to untie the ties that bind". And for TV, an episode of "The OC" shares that name too, so Stargate shouldn't be singled out. We already pay way too much attention to it with cast notes. --Serenity 13:55, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

Right. I just didn't know TTTB was a common expression. Removing. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 13:59, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

Image

May I suggest taking some image that is a) smaller b) oriented horizontally, not vertically? Current image breaks s.4 episode guide and is a bit too big. -- Spike 17:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

It's already scaled down and it might not be so obvious once that page is filled with content. The only other interesting image would be this (I can get a high-res version). Or we could crop the current one at her waist. -- Serenity 18:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

My vote goes to this, right. -- Spike 18:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

It depends, because Cally... ahem. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 19:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Then crop it at least if it must be Cally. -- Spike 20:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I say this one How many do have Cheif and Tory? We have lots with Roslin and crew. :) Shane (talk) 03:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's not like there is a shortage of things about the Final Five, either on screen or online, so I chose pictures that are about something else. -- Serenity 15:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Mixing it up is good. I been thinking about making them all random {{#random:image1.jpg,etc}} Shane (talk) 15:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Orion

At about 28 minutes, when the other baseships jump in, the constellation of Orion is clearly visible in the background. Worth mentioning on the entry?--Werthead 10:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely. Not only did you see Orion, but also Taurus and the Pleiades - and most importantly, as you would see them if you were within ~50 light years of Earth. --Qprmeteor 12:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Acts vs. Location Format

I feel that this guide would be much easier to read and follow if it was in a Location format instead of by Acts. IMHO, YMMV, ect. -- FrankieG 16:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. that's the way I orginally had it setup before spenc uploaded his thing :P Shane (talk) 16:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't look at the history. It just seems harder to read this way. -- FrankieG 16:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey. Wasn't blaming ya. :) I gues I'll pick apart his summary and switch everything around. Shane (talk) 16:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

We have most of the guides in act format since that's how the episode translates. While this may be easy to read, it also throws the order of the story out of whack. I figure we have to do this on a case-by-case given the number of scene shifts, so.... --Spencerian 01:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Not so much scene shifts, but number of independent story lines. Sometimes, there are two different settings, but heavily intercut and dependent on each other. Like the stuff in "The Eye of Jupiter" and "Rapture". One the other hand, the Caprica, Kobol and Cylon story lines stand for themselves and can have an own section. That's how we always did it. Nothing new :) -- Serenity 06:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Nicky Cylon or Human

I wonder if this episode shows how the story hits on pure fiction rather than sci-fi with the case of Nicky being a cylon. Nicky is a boy, which would mean there has to be a Y chromosome. If Tyrol is truly a Cylon, then Cally could only have a female child. They stated earlier in the series that the skinjobs could not reproduce without human donors. Reading the sci-fi forums and original series (way back to deception to the Cylons/Baltar by Specter, and how the Beings of Light 'try' not to interfere) may provide a spoiler to what is to come next from this episode if it stays on the sci-fi side. If it goes fiction, maybe it be worth noting what made Nicky a boy and a cylon before someone yells "that's not sci-fi!" (The Science Note: women can reproduce women without men in genetic experiments of fertilization, but women do not carry/make the Y chromosome to reproduce a male.) (Podcast note: [1]) Dzonatas 21:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

They did not state anything about human donors. They stated that Cylons could not reproduce with each other, and could not reproduce with humans unless there was love. Cally and Tyrol love each other, imperfect as their marriage might be, so Nicky was conceived like Hera. No reason he shouldn't have a Cylon Y chromosome. -- Noneofyourbusiness 21:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

RDM has stated the the final five are fundamentally different than the others, so what is know about the significant seven may not apply. -- FrankieG 21:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Plus, what is known about the signficant seven doesn't rule it out. -- Noneofyourbusiness 21:55, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

So, we can say that Nicky is fundamentally different when compared to Hera. The plot just grows more from this episode about them and brings questions, but the difference can be noted on the Nicky or Hera page. I was going to add something to the article, but I felt it was better to wait another episode. Thanks -- Dzonatas 03:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

For now, we don't know of any fundamental differences between Nicky and Hera yet. Ausir 03:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Inappropriate use of Point of Order?

According to Robert's Rules of Order, a Point of Order is raised if the rules of order have apparently been broken. In this case, rules don't seem to have been broken, and Lee is really just interrupting to bring up his own issues (which could be construed as out of order). The closest motion that I could find is a Request for Any Other Privilege, which he would then use to try to bring up a more pressing issue, but this is still an iffy case. Ctetc2007 10:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Standing-up at the table is a request to yield. The one who has the floor is the one who can decide to yield the floor. If Lee continued without the floor being yielded to him, then it would be out of order. Notice that Lee does ask for the floor to yield. The point of order is to get the answer to yield the floor and to quiet everybody else that does not have the floor. Roslin immediately tabled the issue that Lee brought up. Lee sits down, and the floor is returned. He could have requested an immediate call to vote to handle the issue, but typically it would have to be by some disastrous or emergency situation to call to vote on non-agenda items. Why didn't he make that case at that time? Dzonatas 14:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Interesting Comments about Orion Sighting

The post might be worth reading. Didn't know about the thirteenth sign until now. Any astrophysicists on board to judge this info? -- FrankieG 21:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

This is a great little read (the link above). Even the bit about the Cylons of Greece (an aditional link once there). I was wondering, has anyone seen/made a super-speculative galactic map of where the fleet might be? especially now that with being able to pin point the rough neighbourhood the fleet is now in.--Gallion 12:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Monitoring Launch Tubes

The reason nobody notices the launch tubes being used is probably due to the Galactica's lack of automation. There's no central computer to track these things, and the over-worked state of Galactica's repair crew probably means that the logs that would track these things (assuming there's a counter at all) aren't being kept properly.

Of course, this doesn't explain why there wouldn't be guards.

— Benabik 01:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, at least they already established that nobody was paying attention to the launch tubes in last season's "Collaborators"... --Peter Farago 05:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Poor Jammer. :( Shane (talk) 05:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

This might be indeed a flaw by design, but one that they should have fixed after the first Cylon war. The Cylons boarded ships via airlocks and launch tubes and used them as weapon to vent the crew out of the ship. In such a situation the security team etc. should know where to look for the enemy. --Akagi 10:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, would YOU want to guard the launch tubes? 99% of the time you'd just be standing there in an empty control room (at least at night), not to mention the fact that since there are quite a few launch tubes, you'd be tying up a significant number of personnel doing so. It seems like it'd be easier in terms of manpower to have guards somewhere in the hangar deck (potentially in intersection of the hangar deck(s) and the interior of the ship). By guarding the choke points, you'd be covered against somebody coming from any of the launch tubes, and from the landing bay openings as well. Though obviously the biggest reason the launch tubes are untended are for dramatic purposes. --Steelviper 13:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Nobody said there had to be humans watching the launch tubes, you'd be 'watching' them electronically, just like building security monitors elevator movements. If they did that and logged all activity, they'd find out Cally's launch tube was spaced from the control room and know she didn't commit suicide. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 14:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, that Cally did not commit suicide is something that a good criminal investigator would find out anyway - Cally has to trigger the launch tube from inside by use this little key. This key should still be in the launch tube. --Akagi 14:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

True, but you know what happens when you put "machines" in charge of things... Closed circuit monitoring would of course be sensible. And if they wanted to get into all that, they could alter the logs and substitute in bogus footage, etc. When your conspiracy includes the Chief and the XO, there's not a lot of limits to what you could cover up. I guess they didn't want to get into that. --Steelviper 14:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't think the Chief and the XO were in on this. And as to the key, wouldn't it be spaced too? --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 14:40, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I meant more of the executions in Collaborators. As for the key, it'd probably be "locked" into place when turned to the activated position. That, or you'd be losing keys whenever you did that. --Steelviper 14:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Whenever you did what? Flushing a launch tube with yourself inside? How often does that happen? --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 16:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

There are probably moving parts in the non-pressurized areas of the launch tube that need occasional maintenance. --Peter Farago 19:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I myself have decided to suspend disbelief on this particular issue. I find it fairly unbelievable that there isn't an automated system that would at least inform CIC that a "launch" had taken place. Also, this is a military ship on a war footing; I'm sure they have plenty of bored marines who could be patrolling the ship, especially sensitive areas like launch tubes and airlocks. JubalHarshaw 20:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)