Talk:Colonial calendar/Archive 1

Truncation

This article's contents are from the oversized and messy Timeline (RDM) article. A screencap of Adama's dossier would be greatly appreciated here. --Spencerian 14:30, 26 December 2006 (CST)

Twelve Colonies Series

Move to "Timekeeping in the Twelve Colonies" or somesuch, and add to the Twelve Colonies series? --Peter Farago 17:13, 26 December 2006 (CST)

It's a better title, yours, and fits better in keeping the data in a superarticles like Science and Twelve Colonies (I like them). I'll keep this as a redirect for shorthand but look into moving it. --Spencerian 19:45, 26 December 2006 (CST)

Colonial seconds

You infer that there are as many Colonial seconds in a Colonial year as there are Earth seconds in an Earth year. However, you neglected to mention that Colonial seconds have been established as a little longer than Earth seconds (Miniseries, 33, Hand of God.) --MHall 12:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, from what I can tell, the duration of seconds is the same, if you note the time clocks in the CIC in "33" (ignoring the obvious gaffes that occur in that episode due to editing). This is also supported in "Faith" during the countdown on Demetrius's bridge, which supports the direct correlation between Earth time and Colonial time. The only thing that hasn't been nailed down is how they name their days of the week, their months, or how they note their years—there are at least two different documents that contradict each other in noting year dates. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 14:35, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Colonial, Caprican or Gregorian calendar?

Since the twelve colonies weren't united during the time of Caprica, I think we should wait for evidence from other colonies before concluding that any dating systems observed on the planet Caprica are common to all twelve colonies (which is why I put my note about Junius at the bottom of the article). Furthermore, the use of 52-week years and Saturday really stretches credibility and poses the question whether all time references should be considered more or less faithful translations for the benefit of the viewer, along with the use of English. Also, the episode never tied Saturday to Saturn or Junius to Juno - was this confirmed anywhere or is it just informed speculation? -- Graf Iblis 07:56, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

As RDM said in the past, they speak English—it's not a conceit for the benefit of the viewer. No more than the dating system used, or the fact that days are 24 hours long, etc. This is nothing new in the BSG universe, as they have chickens, cats, and everything else that Earth pretty much has. Unification of the colonies has nothing to do with the calendar system. In our society, English is the language of commerce, all countries use the metric system (although it isn't standard in the USA, because we're just frakking stupid) and the way we keep track of dates on Earth is through the Gregorian system. This doesn't mean that there are other things out there (different currencies, units of measure, etc), but... for the purposes of the story, the "Colonial calendar" as depicted in this article is the Colonial standard—as are cubits in terms of money. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 22:24, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Can you point me to the source of this quote where Ron Moore states that the use of modern English must be taken literally? The problem is that modern English has a scientifically documented history of evolution, which means that it couldn't have been spoken 150,000 years ago, and the same applies to animals, clothing and other items which have a documented history of invention/evolution (unless Ron Moore intends for all of our invention to be the work of One True God, in contradiction with recorded history, which I haven't seen him state specifically - he would usually talk about ideas sifting through the collective experience or something along those lines, which means that a lot of what we see on BSG shouldn't be taken literally).

As far as calendars are concerned, the problem is that unlike different states on Earth, all twelve worlds would likely have different lengths of days and years, so it is reasonable to expect that they would start off with planetary calendars and later develop a common calendar (which need not be tied to the unification necessarily, but it is something to be aware of when recording Caprican dates). Also, it is highly unlikely that the common calendar would just happen to have astronomical cycles which correspond to a planet none of the Colonials had ever visited before (another intervention by One True God?). This article should certainly record any observations concerning calendar units, but it shouldn't suggest that their observed lengths must be taken literally unless we have evidence for that. -- Graf Iblis 12:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

The Caprican Blog Post List

Evidently, The Caprican blog post list overtaking the article in sheer size... I think it is best to transplant this information in its own separate article, and reference from that new article whatever information is needed to support this article on the Colonial calendar. Thoughts? -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 23:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking of trimming it down after further analysis since I mainly need all the dates as datapoints, in order to establish the names and order of the months, progression of the day number within a month and the maximum day number in each month. Also, I would keep some of the article titles such as those corresponding to events from the show, especially those that are dated differently onscreen. However, if you want to create a separate article, that's also an option, especially since the blog is likely to disappear forever from SyFy.com after a while, and it would be good to preserve as much as possible. -- Graf Iblis 06:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

In general, I believe it's better to have The Caprican titles relocated to its own article, for the very reasons that you have specified. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 21:01, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Worth noting?

[1] Quality Jewelry from 1952?? This is from New Cap City in the episode "The Imperfections of Memory".--DrWho42 08:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

It's certainly a continuity error. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate} 14:55, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Unless, for example, YR42 stands for 2042 and it's jewelry from 90 years ago. No, nevermind, that doesn't make sense. It's been 1942 years since the exodus from Kobol. -- Noneofyourbusiness 17:13, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I have no objection to noting it, but we have no evidence it is the same calendar so it would be best to put it in the final section of the article. For all we know, there could be several different eras in parallel use, which is why they are so adamant about using the seemingly redundant YR prefix/suffix in every known example instead of just '42. In addition to the literal meaning of "year", YR would also identify this specific Exodus era. -- Graf Iblis 22:06, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Re-imagined Series definition: nerve center or "bridge" of a battlestar, see: Combat Information Center

Re-imagined Series definition: Battlestar Group ^{(TRS: "Water")}. It also doubles as an acronym for the television series itself.

Original Series definition: a unit of distance, the Earth measurement being equivalent to a kilometer

Re-imagined Series definition: all-purpose vulgarism; Colonial version of "fuck" (see: frak)

Original Series definition: a form of coined currency (see: cubit)