Talk:History of the Twelve Colonies/Archive 1

Be wary while editing the murkier areas of Colonial history, lest we descend from reasonable speculation into all-out fanfiction. I offer this link to an old version of History of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol as a warning. --April Arcus 19:00, 18 September 2005 (EDT)

Fragged Cut Scene[edit]

Nice catch, Ricimer. --April Arcus 22:24, 12 December 2005 (EST)

Actually, for all we know ancient Egyptians "actually" had space travel, like Stargate, and humans from Earth left to colonize Kobol in our relative PAST (though this would have been like 5,000 years ago).--The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 20:35, 16 April 2006 (CDT)

This is a fruitless line of inquiry. --April Arcus 20:42, 16 April 2006 (CDT)

Pythia.jpg[edit]

I added Image:Pythia.jpg with this article in mind, but now I don't have a good idea where to fit it. (Merv beat me to placing an image.) I went ahead and added it over to Sacred Scrolls, which looks like it could use an image anyway. There's also some pics of the scrolls being soaked in rain (if those would be useful). --Steelviper 09:17, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

I like it, and I don't get the relevance of Merv's image. Can someone explain it to me? --April Arcus 09:20, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

Maybe it's a history museum (and the fact that it held the arrow)? Maybe we should just swap in the magnified pythia pic? --Steelviper 09:26, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

Images that might work here:

Image:Lagoonnebula.jpg - "Life here began out there."

Image:Pythia.jpg - "...the oracle Pythia recorded her prophecy..."

Image:Gates of hera.jpg - "In despair, Athena threw herself from the Gates of Hera..."

Image:Centurion_armor_old.jpg - "The Colonials also created a line of robots, called Cylons..."

Image:Monclair.jpg - for section "The Cylon War".

Image:Armistice Station.jpg - "Colonials established a neutral meeting place, Armistice Station..."

More ideas later. --April Arcus 10:00, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

The first three are great. The old centurion ends up being a bit too "tall", though. I love the color that the pics add. Much more vibrant. --Steelviper 13:48, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

Nevermind. I see what you were going for now. I was looking at them section by section, but it flows a lot better as a whole (especially without those pesky breaks added in there). --Steelviper 13:53, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

Oh I was trying to get a clear shot that said "Delphi Museum of the Colonial History", which would have made more sense, but although the words are clearly visible on a TV screen they never zoom in, and there really aren't any good "keeper" shots of the title. Yeah, delete that. I'm going to find a better pick of that Monclair painting, that would be best. --The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 11:23, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

Life Here Began Out There[edit]

There's some argument over if humans went from Earth to Kobol to Colonies to Earth or Kobol to Colonies to Earth. Perhaps I can clear this up with some historical geography.

There was an ancient nation called Thrace near Greece in what is today Yugoslavia.
After the fall of the Roman Empire many small principalities sprung up in Europe during the Middle Ages. One such provicne was named Tyrol.
Delphi and Olympus in Ancient Greece.

All right, based on these names, I'd have to say that the proper line of migration was Kobol to Colonies to Earth, with Greece and Europe being the landing site for the Colonials if and when they find our fair planet. It's quite possible that some political factions broke off and named their homelands after their great heroes, like Starbuck or Tyrol, with Greece being a living memorial to the Colonies. How does this look to everyone? --Homeworld616 11:51, 20 July 2006 (CDT)

It's supposed to be ambiguous, though I actually think it's set in the present or future. --The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 12:19, 20 July 2006 (CDT)

I don't think we can really make conclusions based on naming/language. If they had to avoid any name or word that had Earth-related connotations they'd have to start making up words like felgercarb or pogees. While it's fine/valid to note the meanings of Earth related words/names, we should probably avoid concluding any actual Earth-Kobol (or Kobol-Earth) relationship until it is formally defined in-story (or even by cast/crew). --Steelviper 14:43, 20 July 2006 (CDT)

That makes sense. I just thought it was cool that some ancient nations had names related to BSG and it just seemed too coincidental to pass up. Should these parallels be put in a Notes section, perhaps (given that no conclusions will be drawn)? --Homeworld616 19:36, 20 July 2006 (CDT)

We already have a place for that: the Sacred Scrolls: Analysis section. Yes, certain names like "Columbia, and more importantily, Life Forms of the Twelve Colonies are the same as those of Earth (I spent hours working on that project), but you've assumed it means BSG eventually reaches Ancient Earth and founds civilization there, while I actually interpret this as that the Twelve Tribes LEFT Ancient Earth for Kobol, and now exist either in our present, or future: see the Analysis section on Sacred Scrolls. --The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 09:10, 21 July 2006 (CDT)

Cool, I'll go check your toil-of-many-hours. By the way, this whole subject of the time period is, in my opinion, getting overblown. The time of the show has not been elaborated on by any canon soruces and, until it is, it's all viewer opinion at this point. There's equally compelling evidence to support both sides of the argument, but not enough to draw conclusions on. I trust we can all appreciate each others' opinions. --Homeworld616 16:20, 22 July 2006 (CDT)

Podcast Quote[edit]

Verifying the "Colonial Day" podcast, I ran across the following quote: "there is defintely a connection between all these events and Earth events and I think that's part of what makes the series fascinating is trying to sort of divine what these connections are and where they're going." I thought that was a pretty powerful statement from RDM, but wasn't sure where (or if) it ought to be incorporated, but this article was the first place that I thought of. --Steelviper 14:12, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

Cyclic history[edit]

If you consider that it was David Eick & Ron Moore's intention to be ambiguous in terms of the time span and period relative to earth, and also look at the connections between various characters and gods. Then the cyclical; “All this has happened before. All this will happen again.” theory sounds possible. An interesting topic of thought is that it is possible that the human-cylons (or "God's children") may actually replace the humans AND the cylons to repeat the cycle. just a thought. --Acitcratna 20:12, 04 October 2006 (CDT)

That's one possibility. We can't quite add that to the article since its just our unfounded speculation, but yeah, I thought of that, too. Is it a coincidence that Hera, a child of Cylon and human, is named by the Cylon after a Lord of Kobol? Curious, yep. Factual, sadly, no. --Spencerian 10:05, 4 October 2006 (CDT)