Was Sharon a real person, once?
Caprica Boomer notes that humano-Cylons are not wired into each other's brains, so they don't share knowledge directly. However, she was aware of events in the fleet, which means some level of data from Galactica Boomer was received. She also recollects to Starbuck on the first time they met in the Delphi Museum. Could the Sharon that Starbuck knew was a real human, her consciousness cloned into a series of Cylon copies? Food for thought. Spencerian 16:52, 22 Aug 2005 (EDT)
No. Baltar's Cylon detector showed that she physically was not not a human (I forget how exactly the detector works; something like the artificial, silicon based cells of humanoid Cylons can't hold up to radiation to well and after prolonged exposure degenerate a little). They still have to explain to us the exact nature of the humanoid Cylons, but it is apparent that they aren't fully biological creatures: I think they're made of synthetic chemicals bases (silicon, etc) and they have Silica Relays running through their body; I mean they can transmit their consciousness and thoughts over vast distances just using whatever's in their brain. Are *ANY* of the humanoid Cylons based on real people? We don't know. But the Galactica-Boomer was definately not an original. -- Ricimer, 11 Sept, 2005.
- I'm betting that Gaius was real -- once. :) Spencerian 12:45, 11 October 2005 (EDT)
- RDM said in that interview from thefandom.com that "there was never an original 'Sharon Valerii'" so I think that settles it. --Ricimer 20:04, 6 November 2005 (EST)
- It has indeed, and the Twelve Models page is now moot. Answer moved to main Humano-Cylon page. --Spencerian
Keeping Track of the Valeriis
I recommend that we use "Boomer" as the name of the now-dead Galactica copy we first encounter in the mini-series in the article as applicable. The Caprica version can be "Sharon Valerii" or "Valerii" provided that the context where the copy is found is made clear in that part of the article. Remember that Galactica's crew doesn't see the Caprica copy as "Boomer" and we shouldn't call her as such. I've also broken up the text here to make reading and information easier to find. Spencerian 10:20, 7 October 2005 (EDT)
- Problematic. Although only the Galactica copy is properly "Boomer", both of them are Sharon Valerii. --Peter Farago 17:26, 7 October 2005 (EDT)
- That it is. But it is worse to use "Boomer" for all of the copies, and since it may be a cold day in hell before Adama allows any Valerii copy to fly again in the service of the Colonials, using the callsign is inappropriate as "Boomer" is dead. Hopefully we won't find any more Valeriis to disambiguate. I'm trying to treat things as we did the Ellen Tigh/Saul Tigh matter. Spencerian 12:43, 11 October 2005 (EDT)
Disambig?
Actually, how about creating an article for each of the two major Valerii's -- Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy) and Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy), for instance -- and using Sharon Valerii as a disambig/information page for the Valerii model line? -- Joe Beaudoin 14:05, 6 November 2005 (EST)
- I am unsure that that would be the best option. Perhaps by the end of season 3 we might make that choice, but that's 30 episodes from now. Right now, I just think they should be under one article, though it is a valid point. --->On top of this, we keep calling them "Galactica-Boomer" and "Caprica-Boomer". Someone then pointed out that we shouldn't call "Caprica-Boomer" 'Boomer' because it's a military callsign and she was never really in the military. However, I feel that originally this was a wise choice because Helo thought she was "Boomer" as she was posing as Galactica-Boomer. Also, we need to check if anyone calls her "Boomer" anymore after she is brought to Galactica. Anyway, I approve of the prevailing tendency to refer to her post-"Home" as "Caprica-Sharon"--->Regardless, we have indeed encountered a problem now that we have this information from RDM: "Caprica-Sharon" is now on Galactica, and "Galactica-Sharon" is now going to wake up in a new body on or near Caprica. We cannot refer to them as "Boomer 1" and her counterpart "Boomer 2" because that would imply that "Galactica-Boomer is the "original", and she is not; RDM said there is no "original", and "Caprica-Sharon" has equal claim to this. Perhaps we could use "Boomer 1" and "Boomer A"--->no, wait, that would be only more confusing. In addition to this, there are also other 'generic' "evil" standard-Cylon Sharons, like the one introduced at the end of "Final Cut". Maybe we could use the less-often prefered nomenclature: "Tyrol-Boomer" for Chief Tyrol's Boomer (Galactica-Boomer) and "Helo-Boomer" for the one that got impregnated by Helo ("Caprica-Boomer"). Of course, there is always the possibility of some crazy soap-opera love triangle and Tyrol falling for Caprica-Boomer because he thinks Galactica-Boomer is dead only to find that Galactica-Boomer has become the new Caprica-Boomer leading to a tense standoff with the standard Caprica-Six who is taking orders from Baltar-Six the angel of God who is in turn having a love triangle with Pegasus-Six a.k.a. Gina who will be supplied with a nuclear weapon and Raptor by Galactica-Jammer which will be preceded by Cally-Selix being outed by Galactica-D'Anna when in fact she is not a Cylon throwing blame off of Galactica-D'Anna even as Caprica-D'Anna is trying to indoctrinate Galactica-Caprica-Galactica Boomer into the Cylon religion only to be saved by Anders but not before being impregnated with Starbuck's missing egg cells. This could take a while. --Ricimer 19:53, 6 November 2005 (EST)
Ricimer's spoilers
Ricimer, we need to link to that interview if we're going to cite it here. Is this the one? --Peter Farago 13:55, 6 November 2005 (EST)
- Yay, the very same. --Ricimer 19:40, 6 November 2005 (EST)
Why "Apparently 'Asian' Extraction"?
I glanced over a number of the human character bios (Helo, both Adamas, Starbuck, Roslin, and Dualla) and all the Humano-Cylon bios, and none of them make reference to their apparent Earth racial extractions. Why mention it for Sharon, much less put it at the top of the article? No one in the show talks about race (the closest they get to it is Colony reference, and Dualla and Zarek both being Saggitarons seems to nullify racial parallels). We're not even sure there were, or will be, any verified direct connection between the Earth races of today and Colonial humans. Unfortunately, the words "apparently 'Asian' extraction" come across more as an over-fixation on her Asian characteristics than anything else.
Could we get rid of the words? Or at least, in the interest of balance, make comparable comments in all the bios ("apparently 'Caucasian' extraction," "apparently 'African' extraction," etc.)? --BlueResistance 15:35, 9 November 2005 (EST)
- You have a point and couldn't make it more clear. Comments from the rest of the peanut gallery? --Spencerian 16:18, 9 November 2005 (EST)
- I say we nix the "apparent" note, the only significant and consistent physiological notes that have been made on characters have dealt with accents (ie. Baltar), not appearance. Racial origin should be left to the cast bios, if noted at all. Colonial heritage, IMHO, is what matters to this wiki. Señor Peanut: --Mason 21:01, 9 November 2005 (EST)
- I wouldn't mind getting rid of it. We have Race and Ethnicity in the Twelve Colonies to talk about this stuff. --Peter Farago 02:47, 10 November 2005 (EST)
Rank
The article lists her as a Lieutenant JG, but according to these pictures she wears the same rank insignia as Starbuck. Philwelch 22:38, 7 December 2005 (EST)
- Does anyone have a source on the Lt. J.G. business? --Peter Farago 22:46, 7 December 2005 (EST)