Talk:Humanoid Cylon speculation/ColdBoot/Archive 1: Difference between revisions

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Elosha

How could Elosha possibly be any kind of replacement for Billy? They played together in many episodes and it was Tory Foster who replaced Billy as Roslin's aide. --Spike 02:16, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

The lines that Elosha spoke were meant for Billy, but the actor was unavailable. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 02:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, those lines from "The Hub"... Sorry, I didn't catch it's about a single performance only. --Spike 11:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

D'Anna's joke to Roslin is a very strong clue

Just a note since Serenity removed the note about how D'Anna tells Roslin she is one of the final 5, then says it's ridiculous. This is about as far from a fanwank as you can get, at least using the criteria of clues I defined. As noted on the page, there have actually been very few real clues in the show about hidden Cylons. One of those very few clues was Cavil saying, "I know you're not a Cylon because I'm one and I haven't seen you at the meetings." Cavil is also joking here, but of course he's not, and this line is very revealing -- Cavil is a Cylon, and so is Tyrol, but he would not have seen Tyrol at the meetings because Tyrol is Final Five.

This is exactly the sort of clue that the writers will throw in. Throw it in the viewer's face then misdirect them. It is an overt reference specifically to being the final Cylon, indeed the only one in the script so far.

I laid out 3 types of clues, 2 from within the show. The first is something beyond human associated with the character. Things like Tyrol doing very well in Vacuum, or finding the Temple of Five. The second is dramatic references -- prophecies and forshadowings. These are real, and are a common type of dramatic clue. Lines like D'Anna's and Cavil's are close matches. The sort of clue I meant to exclude is the sort we also see all the time, things like "Dee has put herself close to important figures like Apollo and Billy." Those aren't the same level of clue because everybody has lots of suspicious maybes about them, there is always going to be some character associated with power. To be a clue it has to be something out of the ordinary for a human character to do.

So overt references to Cylonhood, especially final-5 hood, are qualified as they can be in my view, so I undid the removal.

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 : The lines that Elosha spoke were meant for Billy, but the actor was unavailable. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 02:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 :: Ah, those lines from "The Hub"... Sorry, I didn't catch it's about a single performance only. --[[User:Spike|Spike]] 11:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
+== D'Anna's joke to Roslin is a very strong clue ==
+Just a note since Serenity removed the note about how D'Anna tells Roslin she is one of the final 5, then says it's ridiculous.  This is about as far from a fanwank as you can get, at least using the criteria of clues I defined.   As noted on the page, there have actually been very few real clues in the show about hidden Cylons.   One of those very few clues was Cavil saying, "I know you're not a Cylon because I'm one and I haven't seen you at the meetings."  Cavil is also joking here, but of course he's not, and this line is very revealing -- Cavil is a Cylon, and so is Tyrol, but he would not have seen Tyrol at the meetings because Tyrol is Final Five.
+This is exactly the sort of clue that the writers will throw in.   Throw it in the viewer's face then misdirect them.   It is an overt reference specifically to being the final Cylon, indeed the only one in the script so far.
+I laid out 3 types of clues, 2 from within the show.  The first is something beyond human associated with the character.  Things like Tyrol doing very well in Vacuum, or finding the Temple of Five.     The second is dramatic references -- prophecies and forshadowings.  These are real, and are a common type of dramatic clue.   Lines like D'Anna's and Cavil's are close matches.    The sort of clue I meant to exclude is the sort we also see all the time, things like "Dee has put herself close to important figures like Apollo and Billy."    Those aren't the same level of clue because everybody has lots of suspicious maybes about them, there is always going to be some character associated with power.   To be a clue it has to be something out of the ordinary for a human character to do.
+So overt references to Cylonhood, especially final-5 hood, are qualified as they can be in my view, so I undid the removal.