Talk:Launch tube (TRS)/Archive 1

About the picture: That's from "Hand of God" when Strikforce 2 is waiting in/on the freighter. But it doesn't really fit into an article about launch tubes. A good shot might be Kara in the tube from the Miniseries --Serenity 16:04, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

Good catch. I'll scrounge for a more appropriate image. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate} 16:13, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

I have something perfect in mind, I'll upload it later tonight. --Talos 17:15, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

Cool. Then I won't have to do it. :-) -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate} 17:21, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

Operational Status

Are all the launch tubes operational now? --Steelviper 08:21, 2 January 2007 (CST)

Some people claim that Vipers launched for the starboard pod in "Exodus, Part II", but as far as I can see, you can't tell from the visuals whether it was the starboard or port flightpod.

In "A Measure of Salvation" Apollo orders a Raptor to land in the starboard pod, but that doesn't have to mean that the launch tubes are operational as well. Could be, but there is no definite evidence --Serenity 08:49, 2 January 2007 (CST)

Well, as part of the decomissioning, one would probably assume that those functions were removed (after all the coils were removed from Big G as well). After all it would really suck if some kid opened the launch tube and pulled a Jammer... -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate} 16:10, 2 January 2007 (CST)

Evidence

Where are the evidence for the info in the first para regarding the launch tube setup? All I've ever seen is one tube and one supervisor. --Cohnee 07:30, 8 January 2007 (CST)

Good question. I suspect if it's legit someone may be getting their info from a sourcebook or some such. That's awfully detailed. Either way it deserves a cite of where it came from. --Steelviper 07:44, 8 January 2007 (CST)

The 5*8 arrangement might be derived from the spacing on the CGI model. All in all, it seems to be from something like the BSG magazine though --Serenity 07:50, 8 January 2007 (CST)

criminals/people thing

It's a small quibble, but I don't like using the term "criminals" since it's a value judgement. It's basically accepting the Circle's actions and ideas, and no matter their good intentions, their means are highly questionable. Jury, judge and executioner in one person. Gaeta was convicted, but he certainly wasn't a criminal. And not all of their victims might have been guilty to the same degree. So saying something like "people" or "accused" is less POV IMO. --Serenity 10:43, 8 January 2007 (CST)

From a purely objective point of view, "criminals" is a perfect term. They were convicted of commiting a crime. Definitionally, that makes them criminals. --BklynBruzer 17:02, 8 January 2007 (CST)

Convicted by whom? A biased "court" that wasn't really legal itself. Nothing objective about that. By your definition, political dissidents in - let's say China - are objectively criminals. It's a POV thing, and there are certainly people who agree with the Circle. No problem; we don't really don't need to discuss that in all its depth here. "Convicts" looks better and should satisfy both sides of the issue --Serenity 17:18, 8 January 2007 (CST)

The Circle was a legal court appointed by the legally appointed sitting President. But you do have a point, convicts wraps this whole dealie up quite nicely, nice edit SV :-) --BklynBruzer 17:32, 8 January 2007 (CST)

Well, as said a huge argument isn's worth it here, but a tribunal that acts as judge, jury and executioner, is very biased because of its experiences (an impartial tribunal would have consisted of people who weren't on NC), deals with whole cases within minutes, tries people in absentia without representation, and also acts in secret, isn't perfectly legal. Not from what we've seen of Colonial law. Semi-legal maybe. And I think Zarek knew that well. I'm not saying all collaborators are innocent or don't deserve some punishment, but not like that. Let's just agree to disagree. :) --Serenity 17:41, 8 January 2007 (CST)

Agreeing to disagree is a god idea, but I do feel the need to kinda dispute one thing - a tribunal of only non-NC fleet members would be too out-of-touch, true impartiality would be half NC, half non-NC. --BklynBruzer 21:04, 8 January 2007 (CST)

Well, we could use the same words, but throw in the old scarequotes trick. "and venting the 'convicts' to space" or "and venting the 'convicted' to space". I was just trying to specify that the people being vented were the ones that the Circle did "try, convict and sentence", not necessarily indicate either way the legitimacy (or lack thereof) of the "court". I have to admit I missed the note here and my initial edit was just an attempt to make "criminals" more neutral (for the reasons you outlined above). --Steelviper 06:54, 9 January 2007 (CST)

I like the use of convicts, so barring no objections I'd say to keep it how it is. --BklynBruzer 07:59, 9 January 2007 (CST)

Page name

The page name should be singular. I suggest a move to "Launch tube (RDM)". Any thoughts? --Kevin W.^{•So say we all} 13:46, 14 January 2007 (CST)

I don't know. Technically you might be right, but I think they are usually referred to in the plural. --Serenity 15:44, 14 January 2007 (CST)

Still, naming conventions state than even when something is commonly mentioned in the plural, the article title itself should be singular. --Kevin W.^{•So say we all} 16:12, 14 January 2007 (CST)

You are right. This should be changed imo. --Mercifull ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 05:15, 18 January 2007 (CST)

I concur with Kevin W. --Spencerian 13:02, 18 January 2007 (CST)

A Day in the Life

Even though they used the launch tube set, this is not supposed to be a launch tube. The outer door is just that, a small door. Look when they blow it. Moreover, it's not even in the flightpod, but in the mainhull above the pod, facing aft. Above the launch bay opening when the pod would be retracted. Nicely visible at 29:15. So I don't think there should be any references to airlocks here, except maybe a cinematic note about the set (though it makes sense that the battlestar builders would use the same design for both instead of inventing something new). --Serenity 11:00, 19 February 2007 (CST)

Re-imagined Series definition: nickname for Galactica

Re-imagined Series definition: Battlestar Group ^{(TRS: "Water")}. It also doubles as an acronym for the television series itself.

Original Series definition: a Colonial court hearing (see: Law of the Twelve Colonies)