Perhaps this episode will deal with Lee Adama's promise to build a bar for the pilots? bochawa 08:47, 12 August 2006 (CDT)Bochawa
- Then that would call for a cameo by Ted Danson. Straycat0 15:07, 13 August 2006 (PDT)
- I rather have "Norm" show up. "It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing milkbone underwear." --FrankieG 12:32, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
I'm glad to see EJO directing another episode. I loved Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down. --BklynBruzer 13:10, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
Promo Pics[edit]
Can be found here. --FrankieG 18:04, 7 January 2007 (CST)
- Looks like many of the scenes are in a bar. Ha! --Spencerian 18:42, 18 January 2007 (CST)
- Thoughts on the promo pics of Baltar in the Resurrection Tank? Dream? Real? Baltar going off in his own little world again?--RUSnooky 21:41, 26 January 2007 (CST)
- RDM said in an interview it was a dream or fantasy sequence --Mercifull (Talk/Contribs) 07:08, 27 January 2007 (CST)
- Note the dead surrounding him. Yep, unless zombies are a new Cylon menace or Colonial weapon, I'd say fantasy. --Spencerian 09:59, 27 January 2007 (CST)
- Missed the Podcast...thanks Merciful. Maybe the Final Five are all zombies?! :)--RUSnooky 17:31, 27 January 2007 (CST)
- ZOMBIES! --BklynBruzer 23:59, 27 January 2007 (CST)
- You rang? --Slander 11:47, 30 January 2007 (CST)
- ZOMBIES! --BklynBruzer 23:59, 27 January 2007 (CST)
- There's been some discussion about whether the Final Five are mutilated. Reminded me of that. Maybe it means something, maybe it's an in-joke, maybe they're zombies. --Galactageek 01:16, 30 January 2007 (CST)
- That's exactly what I thought of when I saw that scene. -Madbrood 06:39, 30 January 2007 (CST)
- Missed the Podcast...thanks Merciful. Maybe the Final Five are all zombies?! :)--RUSnooky 17:31, 27 January 2007 (CST)
- Note the dead surrounding him. Yep, unless zombies are a new Cylon menace or Colonial weapon, I'd say fantasy. --Spencerian 09:59, 27 January 2007 (CST)
- RDM said in an interview it was a dream or fantasy sequence --Mercifull (Talk/Contribs) 07:08, 27 January 2007 (CST)
- Thoughts on the promo pics of Baltar in the Resurrection Tank? Dream? Real? Baltar going off in his own little world again?--RUSnooky 21:41, 26 January 2007 (CST)
Podcast Question[edit]
So, these things involving Joe's Bar, Layne, and Sagitarrons, were they ideas proposed for the episode that got dropped in the writing phase, or did they film these scenes and they got cut? Alpha5099 12:51, 29 January 2007 (CST)
- I think most was dropped during rewrites before it was shot, but as you see there are some pieces of it left, that still work. For example Ishay is obviously shocked at what they do. Though if I recall correctly, the Sagittaron thing could become part of Baltar's trial later. I'd have to listen to it again. But so could you ;) --Serenity 13:00, 29 January 2007 (CST)
Baltar = Saddam[edit]
That was my character and visual connection.
Just a few other personal observations... The writing is hitting a new level. The last couple have seemed more sophisticated to me. One reason might be that the writers are catching the characters up on all the facts that the viewers have known for some time. The humans don't come off quite as clueless as they used to. Also, I assume that drastic time jumps are usually avoided due to fear that the viewer won't be able to keep up, but I've noticed that this episode skips over long exposition to get to the torture scenes and the finale of Rapture, the "rescue" from the planet's surface and the supernova, was all montage -- totally unusual but consistent with the stronger focus on characters.
- I don't see it. The closest historical parallel I'm aware of is Philippe Pétain. -- Gordon Ecker 20:26, 29 January 2007 (CST)
- I just meant the look mostly, and the victim mentality. I wasn't making a historical comparison.--Galactageek 01:04, 30 January 2007 (CST)
- Visually, he sort of reminds me of The Falconer from SNL. -- Gordon Ecker 01:39, 30 January 2007 (CST)
- I think he's going for a Jesus look, to visually parallel the character's internal belief in his role as a Messianic figure. It should also be noted that James Callis usually wears a beard in the off-seasons. He can be seen with one in the pre-season one Lowdown, when he's hanging out with Jamie Bamber in London. --Slander 11:36, 30 January 2007 (CST)
- Visually, he sort of reminds me of The Falconer from SNL. -- Gordon Ecker 01:39, 30 January 2007 (CST)
- I just meant the look mostly, and the victim mentality. I wasn't making a historical comparison.--Galactageek 01:04, 30 January 2007 (CST)
Mary McDonnell[edit]
Did anyone else just absolutely love her performance in this episode? Especially the "COLONEL TIGH, GET IN HERE!" part :D -Madbrood 23:42, 29 January 2007 (CST)
- She was frakkin scary. :) --Galactageek 01:05, 30 January 2007 (CST)
- We have NEVER seen her yell like that. I realized she and Tigh were playing the "bad cop, evil cop" scenario, knowing that this is not her normal thing. And I've never seen the characters so dark. She looked like she was practically orgasmic when Adama suggested the use of drugs on Baltar --and that he had a stash of the stuff. Wild and crazy acting. --Spencerian 07:27, 30 January 2007 (CST)
- Yet, we also see that it took a lot out of her. She's probably needed a good, cathartic screaming match for a very long time, but catharsis is an emotionally-exhausting experience. At the same time, she feels like she went through all of that for nothing, she failed. So, when Adama mentions a possible second option, she's filled with a new hope. Those subtle moments are what makes this show so great; look at the exchange of looks between Ellen and Saul as Saul realizes that Ellen knows the drink is poisoned. Absolutely brilliant. --Slander 11:51, 30 January 2007 (CST)
- We have NEVER seen her yell like that. I realized she and Tigh were playing the "bad cop, evil cop" scenario, knowing that this is not her normal thing. And I've never seen the characters so dark. She looked like she was practically orgasmic when Adama suggested the use of drugs on Baltar --and that he had a stash of the stuff. Wild and crazy acting. --Spencerian 07:27, 30 January 2007 (CST)
- McDonnell's performance in this episode came as a total surprise to me, since we're used to a calm Roslin who prefers the carrot over the stick, so to say. This episode showed a totally different Roslin, which McDonnell played magnificently. --Catrope 08:53, 30 January 2007 (CST)
I totally agree I just keep watching that scene over and over. "Col Tigh get in here," it's a great stress releaver.--Mevenstar 20:15, 30 January 2007 (CST)mevenstar
Booze Supply[edit]
Given the shortages of damn near everything else, alcohol certainly seems to be in generous supply. I'll grant that they had plenty of time to brew (and the natural resources to do so) while on New Caprica, and that heavy drinking seems to be the post-Holocaust pastime of choice. I'd really like to see the show exploring where the Fleet is getting its supplies from, though. Maybe there's a brewmaster out in the civilians who didn't have the time or resources to put his skills to use until New Caprica. Maybe Tyrol inspired a few dozen crew members to operate distilleries of their own. All I really know is that booze flows like water on Galactica and I'd like to hoist a shot at Joe's. Let's just hope that Viper chassis doesn't come loose during a battle. --Slander 14:53, 30 January 2007 (CST)
- If you can eat, you can ferment what you eat, thus the alcohol supply. You can metabolize alcohol, which was likely the last rations that some might have touched in the food shortage. What the local distilleries look like throughout the fleet are probably a sight to behold. Oh, and keep in mind there were probably large freighters carrying tons of this stuff in commerce between Colonies, among other things. I agree though, it does look like sometimes the writers are ignoring what should be conversation of everything. --Spencerian 15:37, 30 January 2007 (CST)
- And they just came into a healthy supply of algae to play with. You can see some kind of distiller or something in the background as the camera pans I'm sure. --Mercifull (Talk/Contribs) 15:41, 30 January 2007 (CST)
- Yeah, right at the beginning there is something built of kegs/pots and spiraling copper tubing --Serenity 15:51, 30 January 2007 (CST)
- Plus, with the Agro Ship, I wouldn't be surprised if they had some of the alcohol crops growing there. --BklynBruzer 01:27, 31 January 2007 (CST)
- Yeah, right at the beginning there is something built of kegs/pots and spiraling copper tubing --Serenity 15:51, 30 January 2007 (CST)
- And they just came into a healthy supply of algae to play with. You can see some kind of distiller or something in the background as the camera pans I'm sure. --Mercifull (Talk/Contribs) 15:41, 30 January 2007 (CST)
Secret[edit]
Why doesn't the article mention the straw that broke the camel's back and drove Gaeta to stab Baltar? Baltar whispered something to Gaeta, right? Did i miss what he said, or should we add that to the "Questions" part of the article? RMelon 12:17, 31 January 2007 (CST)