Talk:Sherman Cottle/Archive 1

Am I the only one who thinks cottle is a cylon?--Glaucon

No, he's apparently well known, has been there for years, and seems to (at least) have been old enough to have been in the Cylon War. --The Merovingian 03:25, 26 February 2006 (EST)

I appreciate your response. Particularly since, having glanced at several of the other discussions, you apparently know the subjects far better than I and appear to be somewhat of a scholar. Nevertheless, having now glanced at the page about such speculation, I believe some of the assumptions to be unwarrented or at least weakly supported. The most obvious being apparent age. ( forgive me if I don't give citations, but I am remembering rather than running them down and I believe your familiarity will make it unncessary.) I saw it mentioed at one point that the cyrlon models represent archtypes, a father/wiseman/partiarch (perhaps even shaman/doctor) arhetype would possibly be created old as would a martriarch/etc.etc. ( I am unaware if there is any evidence one way or another that they physically age with time, but supposing arguendo that they do, this maight account for the seeming greater ages of earlier numbered models than that of newer models - though it would also imply that those downloaded at death actually enter "unused" rather than new bodies, six revives in a body just like her's not a younger version of it.) I also don't find the number or years agrument to be compelling as far as I recall the only statement on how the cylons have been around is in given by Six to Balter and implied by Sharon. Six is clearly an unrealiable narrator, both through manipulation and perhaps through knowledge. All we know for sure that she can speak on is her own time since insertion and we cant necessarily trust that she is honest about that. --Glaucon 13:29, 2 March 2006 (CST) Gluacon

A) Number Six was being honest to other Cylons in "Downloaded", B) While Doctor Cottle's PHYSICAL age doesn't really matter--yes, as seen in the upcoming Cavil-model, they can be old--what I mean is that Doctor Cottle has apparently been serving for many years aboard Galactica and other ships and is well-known. Cylons would tend to be people whose past cannot be confirmed. --The Merovingian 13:47, 2 March 2006 (CST)

Thank you again for your response. In Re A: was she speaking of her own tenure on caprica and if so why would that have any implications for the existence of other models and their time lines? Do we assume she is privy to all the informaiton of the cylons ( clearly dangerouse in an infiltrator who is subject to torture.) In re B: clearly my objections to this are bound up in the answer to A.--Glaucon

We don't, but BattlestarWIki has pieced it together that A) Caprica-Six was on Caprica for 2 years, and Galactica-Boomer was on Galactica for 2 years (stated by Adama in The Farm)). We actually think infiltration could have started before then, but "wide-scale" infiltration only started 2 years ago. Regardless, there is very little information that would support Cottle as a Cylon, other than just random accusations. --The Merovingian 14:37, 2 March 2006 (CST)

I agree that there is nothing overt wich is why I ask about disqualifiers. Many of the things I am considering are extrinsic to him, the fact that we "know" there are a number of other cylons in the fleet, that it is likely there is at least one with a high enough level of access to leave notes in adama's quarteres about the number of cylon models, that other than into the command structure itself, the doctors position would be an ideal place for an agent. Brain chip- Batlar is just nuts, has an undetectable chip in his head, or the doctor did not tell him of the positive result. In Flesh and Blood, Conoy displys a great deal of knowledge of Kara's mental state and personal psychology, while this could have been gathered other ways, her medical records and the observation the doctor was able to make of her in the wake of her injury seem more likely candidate that the information even of others like sharon as Kara doesn't seem to really be the "shareing" type. Cottle seems protective of sharon and her child and his reaction to the attempted rape implies that he sees them as more than machines ( this creates an interesting, though by no means fatal, dichotomy between his advocacy of human abortion, I'm pro-choice myself, but one of those Gemonons could argue that he values cylon life over human life). He seems to encourage dissention on issues that, while they may not endanger the fleeet directly, due keep things tense and act as wedges betweeen the government and the people as well as between adama and the president -helping Roslin escape captivity, performing abortions of unclear legality and in such a way as to be caught at it, then pushing asylum when adama tries to sweep it under the rug - in each case aiding or stimulating the conflict and then letting others due the fighting and reap the animosity. He is ideally situated to gather information and to be a low-level provacatur. Wrong, perhaps, but certaily not a random accusation. --Glaucon 20:32, 2 March 2006 (CST)

Still just looking for things were there is no incriminating pattern. --The Merovingian 23:25, 2 March 2006 (CST)

Regarding the note... it always seemed to me that we were meant to believe that Baltar left the note in Adama's quarters, given that he was the only one told (on screen anyway) that there were twelve models. -- Joe Beaudoin 20:41, 2 March 2006 (CST)

Good point, thank you. I didn't think that simply becuase he does not seem inclined to be helpful and I think he would be terrified of being caught leaving it and questioned as to the origin of his knowledge, but it is certainly a possibility. --Glaucon 20:49, 2 March 2006 (CST)

Uniform Picture

Question: Can anyone get screencaps of Dr. Cottle in a Major's Uniform from Downloaded? I don't think Apollo's quick promotion made him change his uniform in Captain's Hand, so I think that here is the first time we see what a Major's uniform actually looks like: But my problem is that it is dark: does the Major's uniform have a white line, or a gold line? I cannot tell. --The Merovingian 03:25, 26 February 2006 (EST)

If Cottle has a different uniform because he's a major, doesn't this mean that Lee did as well during his tenure as Major? -- Joe Beaudoin 07:40, 26 February 2006 (EST)

Cottle might not have a normal Major's uniform. I'm postulating that there might be a special "Medic/Doctor" uniform that he wears. Plus, based on the character himself, he really couldn't give two craps about rank and the trappings thereof. --BklynBruzer 01:18, 28 August 2006 (CDT)

He's actually in a regular uniform a few times. --The Merovingian ^{(C - E)} 01:24, 28 August 2006 (CDT)

I'm still right about Cottle not giving two craps about rank and the trappings thereof! --BklynBruzer 02:13, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

Yes, you are. :-) -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate} 09:08, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

Cottle's First Name

According to two websites that are now shut off, Major/Doctor Cottle's name is "George" or "Daniel". Is their any source that can find him a first name?--CoreyDanian 3 October 2006