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Half-Season

Are we sure that Sometimes a Great Notion will be aired before the midseason break? I've seen the first half-season referred to as consisting of ten episodes. -- Noneofyourbusiness 22:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

It's not on the SFC schedule, so I've removed it. Someone must've been overzealous in their addition of the airdates. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 03:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Writers

In the podcast for Revelations, RDM states that David Weddle and Bradley Thompson will be writing this episode. I though I should bring it up here rather than add it to the article as I'm a relatively new member here, and am still unfamiliar with the editing process.Pentagonal Deception 23:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

That's all right, Pentagonal. Feel free to be bold take it upon yourself to add it, as long as it's cited. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 04:27, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement, but it wasn't so much that I was apprehensive to edit the page, but more that i'm not quite sure how. I really haven't taken the time to learn how to use the editing software, (which is something I'm planning on doing shortly) so i thought it best to bring it up here and have someone willing and able add it.Pentagonal Deception 19:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I added it. You can see the difference here. -- Serenity 18:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks.Pentagonal Deception 19:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Episode Title

The title of the episode comes from the blues song "Goodnight, Irene," in which the singer contemplates suicide: "Sometimes I get a great notion / to jump in the river and drown." Is this a fact? There's no citation. It's also the title of a song by John Mellencamp. Genji2000 17:58, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

And, though I don't know if it has to do with anything, the first line of the Mellencamp song, "Never give an inch," is a reference to Sometimes a Great Notion, a novel by Ken Kesey. Capedia 07:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Buried Centurion Head

Was it just me, or did that uncovered centurion head found in the anthropological dig look like the centurion pictured here:http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:DeSanto_Singer_Project_Cylon.jpg ? -- Davidkevin 08:14, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Nope, that wasn't the head:Flatter face and no forehead ridge.Hufnmouth

It wasn't identical, but was still pretty similar. Ausir 21:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Guest stars

As an avid credit watcher I thought I'd point out that as of the very beginning of season 4 Michael Hogan, Aaron Douglas, Tahmoh Penikett, Michael Trucco, Alessandro Juliani and Kandyse McClure have all been credited as starring cast members. I've removed them from the guest star section for this episode accordingly.--Opark 77 11:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Just need a second verification and we should edit Season 4 (2008) as well. Shane (talk) 13:21, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Uh, if you're an avid credit watcher, as you say, then you should know that those name (give or takes a few) have been like that since "33". And it's not just this show that has this sort of thing. Nor, is it a recent trend; I can date the post star/pre-guest star credit thing back to a show from 1989 and few since. That's always been a thorn in trying to figure that out. I will say that if they're stars, then they're names wouldn't come and go based on an episode-by-episode basis like that seeing as how all the ones in the main credits remain regardless (with the exception of Katee's, but that was only to sell the whole "Kara is dead" thing). Until someone can convince me otherwise, I say they're co-stars, who just get upfront credits for some sort of contractual reason. --Mars 17:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

As I understand it, Mars, it's really nothing more than a monetary issue. The main cast, whose names are credited every week during the main opening credits sequence, are paid regardless of whether or not they actually shoot any scenes for the episode. A recurring or supporting character would not be credited if they weren't used in a particular episode, so they wouldn't have to be paid, but they would be credited before guest characters. A good example of this outside of BSG would be Teryl Rothery ("Dr. Fraiser") on Stargate SG-1. --Antarctic Fox 17:47, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Resurrection and the split of the 13th Tribe

The dialogue in this episode about the "Final Five"'s previous lives on Earth reminded me of what Virtual said to Baltar n Fragged, about how anyone who was killed on Kobol was dead forever. At the time, it seemed like a throwaway bit of Virtual Six's usual religious zealotry, but after Ellen Tigh's remark in Tigh's vision/flashback about everything being "in place" for their rebirth after the holocaust, I'm no longer so sure.

So, here's a bit of speculation. We know from the advance buzz on Caprica that the origins of the Colonies' Cylons had to do with Daniel Graystone's efforts to resurrect his daughter in an artificial body -- something that presumably would become a very, very controversial idea if applied on a large scale. Maybe that kind of controversy had something to do with the original departure of the Thirteenth Tribe from Kobol. Perhaps their resurrection system was outlawed on Kobol, leading to their exodus. The existence of the ancient probe in Torn supports the idea that resurrection technology may well have existed thousands of years ago; that episode really made the virus seem like a biological weapon, and the fact that it infected Cylons through the resurrection process may not have been accidental. Was it created to prevent the Thirteenth Tribe from leaving Earth to return to Kobol? (In that case, maybe what Ellen meant when she said "Everything is in place" was that some of the Thirteenth Tribe had figured out a way to circumvent the various defenses/mechanisms preventing them from rejoining the Twelve. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Argentla (talk • contribs).

Hi Argentia. More people will hear about your thoughts in a place better built for it, so why not take your thoughts to the Battlestar Forum episode thread? (That way, the talk page is left free for questions about the formatting or proper interpretation of what should be in this article itself.) Lots of people are there to talk about it! --22:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Cylon Homeworld

The revelations of this episode also raise another provocative question: IS there a Cylon homeworld (other than Earth, thousands of years ago)? At one point, RDM mentioned that we would probably never seen the Cylon homeworld, because he felt it would be creatively problematic, but now I wonder if it exists at all. The Colonials have always assumed there was one, somewhere behind the Armistice Line, but my recollection is that all the dialogue referring to it comes from human characters (Baltar, Gaeta, Kara). In Downloaded, both Six and Boomer are resurrected on Caprica, not elsewhere.

After the Armistice, did the Cylons just wander in space the same way the Fleet is, occasionally taking resources from the planets they encountered (just as Galactica has), but not actually settling anywhere specific? Maybe their original motivation in attacking the Colonies -- the original Plan alluded to in the early seasons' credits -- was Lebensraum, claiming the territory of the Colonies for their own expansion. (That would explain why they were going to so much trouble to clean up Caprica (and presumably the other Colonies, even if we never see it for budgetary reasons) even after nuking it.)

Has any Cylon character explicitly confirmed the existence of a Cylon homeworld? Three's comments in this episode about wandering in space make it seem like she doesn't have a home to return to; Cavill's belligerence might make it impossible for her to return to the Cylon homeworld if there were one, but if that were the case, wouldn't she say so?