Talk:Valkyrie/Archive 1

Before anyone asks, here is the source: http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000pbh0a/g261
See the seal in the background --Serenity 16:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)

Good Job Serenity!--Straycat0 18:38, 31 October 2006 (CST)

I didn't create the article though :p --Serenity 18:42, 31 October 2006 (CST)

Yeah, but you spotted the name on the seal. Well, whoever spotted it first, good job!--Straycat0 18:44, 31 October 2006 (CST)

Anyone else notice Tigh?--Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 18:47, 31 October 2006 (CST)

You mean the eye? This is probably flashback scene. -- Spike 18:50, 31 October 2006 (CST)

With Admiral pips?Shane ^{(T - C - E)}18:52, 31 October 2006 (CST)

The description below says "Commander William Adama", as opposed to the next photo. -- Spike 18:56, 31 October 2006 (CST)

The rank differences clearly IDs the photo spot as a flashback. Look at the pips on the collar! What are the left collar pips verses the rank pips on the right? (Right-Left relative to the wearer) This is especially noticable on the Admiral Corman shot. --Straycat0 19:02, 31 October 2006 (CST)

It's most likely a flashback. Maybe Adama and Tigh served on the Valkyrie and that's where Bulldog was under Adama's command. I can't really make out the rank pins. They look a bigger than Commander's insignia, but the picture quality isn't that good --Serenity 19:09, 31 October 2006 (CST)

Another question, in 8 of 9 shot on that webpage, I am guessing its a flashback scene because Lee is wearing Captain's pips, but he also has a Battlestar Galactica badge on his shoulder. I thought he wasn't assigned to the Galactica prior to the miniseries? Is that the implication here or a clothing manfunction? hehe...--Straycat0 19:26, 31 October 2006 (CST)

I read something that he might be demoted back to Captain. Not sure about it, but it makes sense. I guess they could keep him as Major or even Colonel, but there isn't really a job opening for a Commander at the moment.

But looking at it more closely that might even be Major. Major and Captain look very similar, with Major having three chevron, the top one of which is directly on the diamond's edge --Serenity 19:28, 31 October 2006 (CST)

The original CAG of Galactica that we see was a Major. Also, in the Miniseries, Apollo didn't wear a unit patch at all on his shoulder when he got to Galactica, pehaps since he was in the Reserves. --Talos 14:21, 3 November 2006 (EST)

In "Torn", the name plate on Lee's viper reads "Maj. Lee Adama". So I don't think he will be demoted any time soon. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate} 10:54, 10 November 2006 (CST)

I've deleted this line "both William Adama and Saul Tigh served on the Valkyrie" this is not canon, also many rumors going around are that Adama was involved in a covert operations against the cylons so he might have simply gone to the Valkyrie to be issued orders or debriefed etc, point is, we don't know. --lordmutt 19:13, 10 November 2006 (EST)

There is a two-minute video out there, that pretty much confirms that Adama and Tigh were sent to Valkyrie for a special mission. Something about using a stealth ship to make a reconnaissance flight into Cylon space. The ship was flown by Novacek who was then captured by the Cylons. I also like that this shoots down the silly theories that the Blackbird was the Colonial's first stealth ship. --Serenity 10:52, 10 November 2006 (CST)

Concur. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate} 10:55, 10 November 2006 (CST)

Class / Type / Dimensions

Now, for the time being, does Valkyrie go down as a Valkyrie-type Battlestar (until someone at the "Head Office" finally tells us details like this)? I especially like how Galactica, Pegasus, and now Valkyrie are all different styles and sizes, but yet are still classified as battlestars. This shows a degree of realism, creativity, and dynamicism among our intrepid Powers That Be — they're not going to pull the weak, canned trick of reusing the same model over and over and over again, ad nauseum. Also, hopefully, it stomps on any musings amongst certain overzealous fans of such genres as Star Wars and Star Trek who have this bad habit of immediately speculating and squabbling over if a ship is a battleship, destroyer, frigate, etc. In this case, it would seem that, regardless of size and/or layout, a battlestar is a battlestar is a battlestar. End of line.

On that note, it would appear that Valkyrie is infact smaller than Galactica, perhaps with reduced capabilities (weapons and embarked Vipers and Raptors quantities, etc.), less crew. It would also appear that she has less engines in her differently shaped array, which would make sense for a smaller, less massive starship.

Lastly, and unrelated to Valkyrie directly, that stealth recon craft was badass, wasn't it? -- Hawke 23:49, 17 November 2006 (CST)

I'm not so sure that the Valkyrie is a less capable ship than the Galactica. From what Tigh said about Adama's "graceful retirement' it seems that the Valkyrie was actually a pretty prestigious command. I had always thought that commanding the Galactica was a great honor, but Tigh's words seem to indicate otherwise. Ships tend to get smaller as the technology progresses because of the reduced manpower requirement. Perhaps the smaller size of the Valkyrie is an indication of this. Theres no real numbers for the dimensions of the Valkyrie or anything to scale it to, but I also got the sense that it was smaller than the Pegasus or Galactica. --Antagonist 02:16, 18 November 2006 (CST)

I disagree with that. A smaller ship is going to have less physical space to carry fighter craft and supplies. If Valkyrie is smaller than Galactica and Pegasus, then its gun batteries are smaller, which means they're firing lighter shells, which translates into less penetration, smaller warheads, less damage. A smaller ship has less volume to absorb damage with, meaning less staying power in a battle.

That doesn't mean it can't still be a prestigious command, though. If it were a very new ship, even if it weren't the most powerful, it would still be a plum assignment.--Grin Reaper 07:08, 18 November 2006 (CST)

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