Talk:Cylon Civil War/Archive 1

I think until otherwise we should not even have this page. It's only implied right now. Anyone else? Shane (talk) 12:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Plus, until it is developed further, there is nothing that isn't already said elsewhere. -- Serenity 12:20, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Restored

Per discussion on the talk page of Talk:Battle of the Basestars. -- FrankieG 18:37, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

No battle box?

There's definitely a battle, so why don't we have a battle box? Should we give the battle it's own page? OTW 21:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

It's just too large to be put in one sub section. There will be more content later. Secondly, it isn't really that useful. Why not get away from the automatism "this needs to have a battle box, because that's how we always did this"? The advantage of having this in an own article, is to put story points that are spread out over a dozen or so episodes into context and see how they relate to each other. The causes for the conflict and the participants' motivations are really far more interesting than another dry recitation of how many ships are involved and how many people die (which is only like 20 seconds screen time) -- Serenity 21:13, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Basically, I agree with Serenity on this. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 23:13, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Rebels?

Is it "fair" to describe the Natalie Faction as "rebels", considering this is basically a 50/50 split of the Cylon? Perhaps we should use something like "Natalie Faction" and "Cavil Faction" as descriptive terms until we get something more concrete. OTW 14:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Strike my last, I just read the references OTW 14:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Natalie faction strength?

It seems that the Natalie faction has been reduced in strength to the single basestar. Should we note this? OTW 16:45, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Only one Basestar that we know of, but we can't rule out there being other survivors out there somewhere until something is said to that effect. -- Noneofyourbusiness 16:48, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Civil War and the battles box

For consistency, I think it would be best if we:

• moved the information about the Battle of the Basestars (or whatever we're gonna call it, Cylon Rebel Ambush could also work) to that article
• put that battle, along with the Battle of the Resurrection Hub we're likely to get, in the "Cylon Civil War" section of the battles template
• reserve this article for information about the Civil War itself and {{mainarticle}} the individual battles (there might very well be more of them in the second half of Season 4: with the Cylons being mortal and the Colonials controlling a baseship, they might adopt a more aggressive style of warfare)

--Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 18:27, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

The thing is that there doesn't need to be an article about the first battle. It would just have a battle box and two lines (though I agree I that "Cylon rebel ambush" is infinitely better than "Battle of the basestars"). That's the reason why it was consolidated into this article. We don't need an automatism to create a new battle page every time two shots are fired. I'm not saying that it's not important, just that there isn't much to write about it. I agree that any substantial engagement down the line can have an own article that can be linked to here. It just depends on how much there is to say about it. Just like with any other off-short article really. Things get own articles when they become too big for the main article.

Another point is that battle pages by themselves aren't that interesting. They just retell plot, albeit in more detail. Reading in detail about real battles is something different, because you don't see them on screen and often only know the surrounding circumstances. But with fictional battles, those circumstances and the context of the battles is generally the meat. And in this case, there is a narrative that clearly connects all of them. Which is what this page is about. -- Serenity 18:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)