Talk:Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)/Archive 1

Was there ever actually a thirteenth tribe?

I believe the existence of the thirteenth tribe is unfounded speculation. Now how can I say this when it is regularly referred to in the show? The show does not show a thirteenth tribe. Rather it shows people who talk about an ancient legend of a thirteenth tribe. I made some minor edits in the past to try to make it more ambiguous but the truth is this article still describes the thirteenth tribe as though it is a real tribe seen in the show, and it isn't. It's a myth from the scrolls, which may or may not turn out to be real.

As most fans know, there is much controversy over whether Earth was colonized by Kobol's thirteenth tribe as the scrolls say, or Kobol was colonized by Earth. I don't want to try to resolve or speculate on that controversy in the main page, though I certainly have my own arguments, which I believe are fairly convincing. I believe that this article, and a few related ones, currently speculate on the controversy, but in the "trust the myths" direction. There are hints scattered through the articles about the uncertainty regarding the legend, I would like to consolidate it, perhaps by gathering the material from the scrolls in a section marked "As told in the sacred scrolls" with another section for relevant notes and facts outside the scrolls from canon/etc.--Bradtem 03:22, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

The article says "according to Elosha", "according to the Scriptures" or "apparently" pretty much every time. That's enough for me. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 08:26, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

Athena's Death

This article says that Athena killed herself, her death is an assumption since all that we know is what Boomer tells us...

Boomer: I'm putting together a lot of pieces from a lot of sources beyond your scriptures. If I'm right, that's the spot where your god supposedly stood and watched Athena throw herself down o­nto the rocks below out of despair over the exodus of the 13 tribes.

It doesn't say that she died.--Swozie 11:36, 7 January 2008 (CST)

Then just add the "supposedly" in the text and all is good (I'll do so, but I think the entry paragraph also needs to be changed, and am currently thinking about that). Something like "reportedly" or "allegedly" also works will with things that are told second-hand :) --Serenity 11:39, 7 January 2008 (CST)

I'm pretty sure "threw herself to the rocks" does mean death, y'know. OTW

Yeah. Depends on if he takes issue with the wording (which is clear though), or that it's just scriptures that might not be true. --Serenity 12:07, 7 January 2008 (CST)

I think that whatever the show states has to be considered true, its true that the show states it, that doesn't mean it's true within the BSG universe itsself but I don't think this site can be concerned with that since we can't possibly know. Athena killing herself isn't true because the show doesn't state it, its just presumed (and probably correctly presumed) but adding the word "presumed" would mean that there is no chance that what you are stating can possibly be wrong which only adds to the validity of information on this site. Besides if Athena is a god then presumably she can't die. --Swozie 14:05, 7 January 2008 (CST)

The Eye of Jupiter

This article states that "The Eye of Jupiter is, in fact, the image created by the planet's dying sun"

In fact the Eye Of Jupiter is either the emblem on the floor of the Temple on which D'Anna stood OR the nova or perhaps both.

[Chip Six appears, indicating the obvious Eye symbol o­n the floor.] Chip Six: There it is, Gaius. It has the answers to all of your questions. Baltar: That's the Eye?

Chief: Major, look. It's the mandala from the Temple. This is supposed to be happening. That's it. I was staring at it the whole time. The sun is going nova. The nova is the Eye of Jupiter.

However Roslin believes that the Eye is inside the temple

Roslin: Admiral, if the Eye of Jupiter is somewhere in that temple, and it really is a marker o­n the way to Earth… We can't let the Cylons get their hands o­n it. --Swozie 13:57, 7 January 2008 (CST)

According to those episodes, the Thirteenth Tribe saw a nova in the Ionian system and drew that nova in the temple. This would make the nova the 'original' Eye, and the symbol in the temple a depiction of it. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 09:20, 8 January 2008 (CST)

perhaps, the scriptures say it was left in the temple...

Episode 311

Roslin: I don't know, Lee. I've looked at the Scriptures, and they make reference to the Eye being left in some sort of temple. But there's no physical description.--Swozie 16:25, 8 January 2008 (CST)

Early Generation Cylons

Saying "Early Generation", makes it sound like the 13th tribe were Model 005 (or more primitive).