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I chose to remove a notation that cited the coincidence between the First Hybrid's demise and Hara Agathon's birth. Interesting, but there's nothing officially in the source episodes to link the two events as yet, so I felt that less was more here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:42, 3 December 2007 (CST) | I chose to remove a notation that cited the coincidence between the First Hybrid's demise and Hara Agathon's birth. Interesting, but there's nothing officially in the source episodes to link the two events as yet, so I felt that less was more here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:42, 3 December 2007 (CST) | ||
:That was indeed fanwanky, and it's far more likely that he is truly dead and is just referring to the cycle of time. People add all | :That was indeed fanwanky, and it's far more likely that he is truly dead and is just referring to the cycle of time. People add all kind of nonsense speculation here, but somehow I don't want to look too strict and remove everything after 10 seconds :s --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:18, 3 December 2007 (CST) | ||
::I tried not to write any conclusion into the coincidence, though of course an obvious one is implied. It would be a Fanwank to say "The Hybrid downloaded into Hera" and thus I did not write that. However because this episode airs much later, it is relevant to make note of when it takes place (Lee's first mission after Captain's Hand) because the chronology is not as evident to the viewer. My personal view is that while you discourage people putting their personal theories into the articles, it is actually very worthwhile to document the actual material from the show (and reality) which are clues in making up and judging theories. For example, every bio-Cylon we've seen can download (we've never been told about the sentient classic models but it certainly makes sense that they could, the humans would have wanted to be able to preserve and copy their experiences) so it is a fanwank to speculate that the Hybrid can't, especially when he muses about it. However, I think the right role of the wiki is to document the facts: Cylons can download, the hubrid muses about living after his destruction, all all this takes place in the chronology just prior to Sharon going into emergency premature labour. Now I don't actually hold a strong view here on whether Hera is a new incarnation of the Cylon god or not. The fact that events are aligned so that it is possible is worth documenting. (I will add that since the Season 4 trailer, which you may view as a spoiler, does a repeat of the hybrid saying "my children believe I am a god" in the context of the Opera House and the Final 5, there's a lot more reason to believe the Hybrid is a copy of the Cylon god, and thus surely downloaded in some fashion. Do we consider trailer clues to be spoilers?) --[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 15:47, 3 December 2007 (CST) | ::I tried not to write any conclusion into the coincidence, though of course an obvious one is implied. It would be a Fanwank to say "The Hybrid downloaded into Hera" and thus I did not write that. However because this episode airs much later, it is relevant to make note of when it takes place (Lee's first mission after Captain's Hand) because the chronology is not as evident to the viewer. My personal view is that while you discourage people putting their personal theories into the articles, it is actually very worthwhile to document the actual material from the show (and reality) which are clues in making up and judging theories. For example, every bio-Cylon we've seen can download (we've never been told about the sentient classic models but it certainly makes sense that they could, the humans would have wanted to be able to preserve and copy their experiences) so it is a fanwank to speculate that the Hybrid can't, especially when he muses about it. However, I think the right role of the wiki is to document the facts: Cylons can download, the hubrid muses about living after his destruction, all all this takes place in the chronology just prior to Sharon going into emergency premature labour. Now I don't actually hold a strong view here on whether Hera is a new incarnation of the Cylon god or not. The fact that events are aligned so that it is possible is worth documenting. (I will add that since the Season 4 trailer, which you may view as a spoiler, does a repeat of the hybrid saying "my children believe I am a god" in the context of the Opera House and the Final 5, there's a lot more reason to believe the Hybrid is a copy of the Cylon god, and thus surely downloaded in some fashion. Do we consider trailer clues to be spoilers?) --[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 15:47, 3 December 2007 (CST) | ||
:::That he can download? Sure? It might be possible, though it's something that's usually associated with the human-like Cylons which come after the first Hybrid. But since they did experiments on humans maybe. But to even imply that he somehow downloads into a baby that isn't even resurrected, but born naturally, doesn't make any sense whatsoever. And that's what the note did. | |||
:Personally I'm also against stating that the first hybrid is the Cylon God in a definite way. "a god" isn't the same as "God". And the trailers are often cut in a way to take dialogue out of context. Interpreting them is something for a forum, but not here IMHO. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:59, 3 December 2007 (CST) | |||
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Coincidence isn't supportable
I chose to remove a notation that cited the coincidence between the First Hybrid's demise and Hara Agathon's birth. Interesting, but there's nothing officially in the source episodes to link the two events as yet, so I felt that less was more here. --Spencerian 11:42, 3 December 2007 (CST)
- That was indeed fanwanky, and it's far more likely that he is truly dead and is just referring to the cycle of time. People add all kind of nonsense speculation here, but somehow I don't want to look too strict and remove everything after 10 seconds :s --Serenity 12:18, 3 December 2007 (CST)
- I tried not to write any conclusion into the coincidence, though of course an obvious one is implied. It would be a Fanwank to say "The Hybrid downloaded into Hera" and thus I did not write that. However because this episode airs much later, it is relevant to make note of when it takes place (Lee's first mission after Captain's Hand) because the chronology is not as evident to the viewer. My personal view is that while you discourage people putting their personal theories into the articles, it is actually very worthwhile to document the actual material from the show (and reality) which are clues in making up and judging theories. For example, every bio-Cylon we've seen can download (we've never been told about the sentient classic models but it certainly makes sense that they could, the humans would have wanted to be able to preserve and copy their experiences) so it is a fanwank to speculate that the Hybrid can't, especially when he muses about it. However, I think the right role of the wiki is to document the facts: Cylons can download, the hubrid muses about living after his destruction, all all this takes place in the chronology just prior to Sharon going into emergency premature labour. Now I don't actually hold a strong view here on whether Hera is a new incarnation of the Cylon god or not. The fact that events are aligned so that it is possible is worth documenting. (I will add that since the Season 4 trailer, which you may view as a spoiler, does a repeat of the hybrid saying "my children believe I am a god" in the context of the Opera House and the Final 5, there's a lot more reason to believe the Hybrid is a copy of the Cylon god, and thus surely downloaded in some fashion. Do we consider trailer clues to be spoilers?) --Bradtem 15:47, 3 December 2007 (CST)
- That he can download? Sure? It might be possible, though it's something that's usually associated with the human-like Cylons which come after the first Hybrid. But since they did experiments on humans maybe. But to even imply that he somehow downloads into a baby that isn't even resurrected, but born naturally, doesn't make any sense whatsoever. And that's what the note did.
- I tried not to write any conclusion into the coincidence, though of course an obvious one is implied. It would be a Fanwank to say "The Hybrid downloaded into Hera" and thus I did not write that. However because this episode airs much later, it is relevant to make note of when it takes place (Lee's first mission after Captain's Hand) because the chronology is not as evident to the viewer. My personal view is that while you discourage people putting their personal theories into the articles, it is actually very worthwhile to document the actual material from the show (and reality) which are clues in making up and judging theories. For example, every bio-Cylon we've seen can download (we've never been told about the sentient classic models but it certainly makes sense that they could, the humans would have wanted to be able to preserve and copy their experiences) so it is a fanwank to speculate that the Hybrid can't, especially when he muses about it. However, I think the right role of the wiki is to document the facts: Cylons can download, the hubrid muses about living after his destruction, all all this takes place in the chronology just prior to Sharon going into emergency premature labour. Now I don't actually hold a strong view here on whether Hera is a new incarnation of the Cylon god or not. The fact that events are aligned so that it is possible is worth documenting. (I will add that since the Season 4 trailer, which you may view as a spoiler, does a repeat of the hybrid saying "my children believe I am a god" in the context of the Opera House and the Final 5, there's a lot more reason to believe the Hybrid is a copy of the Cylon god, and thus surely downloaded in some fashion. Do we consider trailer clues to be spoilers?) --Bradtem 15:47, 3 December 2007 (CST)
- Personally I'm also against stating that the first hybrid is the Cylon God in a definite way. "a god" isn't the same as "God". And the trailers are often cut in a way to take dialogue out of context. Interpreting them is something for a forum, but not here IMHO. --Serenity 16:59, 3 December 2007 (CST)