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:How would we do that?  We don't know how many Cylons added to the total population, but I am assuming you are interested in the human population.  How would we get that?  Is it just subtract 33 (police cadets killed in suicide bombing) minus 4 (humans killed in power plant bombing) minus 200 (suspected insurgents).  Well, strike that, we don't know how many of the suspects were killed by the Cylons at the end of Occuprice.  So are we just doing 37 minus the population as of the end of LDBY, or shall we wait?  Just wondering. --[[User:Homeworld|Homeworld]] 16:03, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
:How would we do that?  We don't know how many Cylons added to the total population, but I am assuming you are interested in the human population.  How would we get that?  Is it just subtract 33 (police cadets killed in suicide bombing) minus 4 (humans killed in power plant bombing) minus 200 (suspected insurgents).  Well, strike that, we don't know how many of the suspects were killed by the Cylons at the end of Occuprice.  So are we just doing 37 minus the population as of the end of LDBY, or shall we wait?  Just wondering. --[[User:Homeworld|Homeworld]] 16:03, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
:Have we been given any further information? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:04, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
:Have we been given any further information? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 16:04, 8 October 2006 (CDT)


::Well, I forgot the two suicide bombers themselves, so that's 2 plus 37, 39.  LDBY population - 39, AS OF FAR.  Other than that, the casualty rates of the 200 suspects will be unresolved until next Friday, so no other information except 39 solid human deaths, plus ''perhaps'' one of a guy undergoing torture at the beginning of the episode (I could hear some screams when the Cavil entered Tigh's cell). --[[User:Homeworld|Homeworld]] 16:08, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
::Well, I forgot the two suicide bombers themselves, so that's 2 plus 37, 39.  LDBY population - 39, AS OF FAR.  Other than that, the casualty rates of the 200 suspects will be unresolved until next Friday, so no other information except 39 solid human deaths, plus ''perhaps'' one of a guy undergoing torture at the beginning of the episode (I could hear some screams when the Cavil entered Tigh's cell). --[[User:Homeworld|Homeworld]] 16:08, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
:::It's not worth the bother, IMO. When we were getting regular population updates during the 2nd season it was fun to add up the totals and see how close we could get, but without regular confirmation, it seems like a futile exercise. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:12, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
:::It's not worth the bother, IMO. When we were getting regular population updates during the 2nd season it was fun to add up the totals and see how close we could get, but without regular confirmation, it seems like a futile exercise. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 16:12, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
::We never counted known Cylons as part of the surviving population. So any Cylons added to the population (such as the duplicates of already-known Cylon models) would not affect those numbers. As for the futility of such an exercise... I do agree that errors are much more likely to occur now that there is no longer any on-screen count. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:21, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
::We never counted known Cylons as part of the surviving population. So any Cylons added to the population (such as the duplicates of already-known Cylon models) would not affect those numbers. As for the futility of such an exercise... I do agree that errors are much more likely to occur now that there is no longer any on-screen count. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:21, 8 October 2006 (CDT)


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:It has been confirmed to us that there has been more than 1 Resurrection Ship since the attack on the colonies, and that one of these ships safeguarded the 12 Colonies, while another safeguarded the fleet (everything is out of range of the Cylon Homeworld). Judging by the timeframe and by logistics, it's more probable that the Cylons moved one of their Res Ships withing a safe distance from the System of New Caprica.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 12:12, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
:It has been confirmed to us that there has been more than 1 Resurrection Ship since the attack on the colonies, and that one of these ships safeguarded the 12 Colonies, while another safeguarded the fleet (everything is out of range of the Cylon Homeworld). Judging by the timeframe and by logistics, it's more probable that the Cylons moved one of their Res Ships withing a safe distance from the System of New Caprica.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 12:12, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
:: Where has it been confirmed that there was more than one ship? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:00, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
:: Where has it been confirmed that there was more than one ship? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:00, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
:::In the official communiques Bradley spoke of "a few" Resurrection Ships. It's also in the official Scifi.com glossary, but I trust BT more.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 15:13, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
: I think there might be a resurrection plant (for lack of a better term) on New Caprica, like there was on Caprica where Caprica Six and Boomer were resurrected. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 14:59, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
: I think there might be a resurrection plant (for lack of a better term) on New Caprica, like there was on Caprica where Caprica Six and Boomer were resurrected. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 14:59, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
::Actually, Caprica, and it seems Boomer too, were resurrected on a ship. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 15:11, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
::Actually, Caprica, and it seems Boomer too, were resurrected on a ship. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 15:11, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
:::When was ''that'' established? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:48, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
::::Well, We always knew that there were only two choices for where they resurrected:  a Ship, or a Facility on the Colonies. We know Caprica was reborn on a ship because of the timeframe, so only Boomer was left ambiguous. However, Grace Park recently confirmed that Boomer was reborn in a ship. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 15:54, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
If there were more Ressurection Ships, why didn't the Cylons just move another one close to The Fleet and continue to attack ''en masse''? [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 18:53, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
:Because more than 1 does not mean many. BT stressed "one of their few Resurrection Ships". They've got more than 1, but probably just about 3 in total. And at least one other Resurrection Ship was occupied with safeguarding the Colonies. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 19:14, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
==Cylon Discovery==
When Gina left the Nuclear signature that the Cylons discovered, did the Cylons discover it at the moment of detonation or mere days before the occupation? [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 18:59, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
:Doral said they were over a light year away, so they probably just detected the radiation a little bit before occupation. It would take the radiation that long to move out that far. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:50, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
== tense problem ==
Is there are a special reason why the whole page is written in the past tense? Usually I'd edit it, but by now someone else should have noticed that as well. So maybe it's supposed to be that way... --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:10, 29 October 2006 (CST)
: Perhaps it was noted, but maybe no one brought the issue up. Though I do fully agree that the tense needs to be changed. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 14:16, 29 October 2006 (CST)
== Anyone Left Behind? ==
Were there other Humans besides Baltar who failed to escape in the exodus from New Caprica?  Since the Cylons abandoned the planet after the exodus, could there have been a handful of Humans still left to try to bleakly survive who neither escaped or were exterminated?  -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 07:13, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 01:54, 11 April 2020

Does anyone have screenshots from The Resistance of New Caprica City? Be nice to have comparsion shot of the nearly same view. Thanks. --FrankieG 15:53, 16 September 2006 (CDT)

Good idea. I just checked and there are some very large structures at the end of the central road. Looks like the Cylons have been very busy --Serenity 15:58, 16 September 2006 (CDT)
Also, the ships (Colonial One etc.) are gone. --FrankieG 16:00, 16 September 2006 (CDT)
Though probably just moved somewhere else on the planet. There will be scenes with the Cylon leaders and Baltar on Colonial One. I doubt they'll do that in orbit --Serenity 16:03, 16 September 2006 (CDT)
Actually, the Structures we see are on the other side of the "Main Road". The Ship section is just under the camera, and not visible, I think. I'll check and post pics ASAP ;)--Sauron18 16:21, 16 September 2006 (CDT)
I could be wrong and you may be right I just ASSume :p that is was the same POV. Thanks. Shot will still be nice! --FrankieG 16:25, 16 September 2006 (CDT)
That's what I thought too at first, but if you check the pic from LDYB you see that Colonial One is right the beginning of the Main Road. Not some distance away. The position of the "Resistance" shot is a bit further to the right because the river on the left isn't visible (only the very top bit), but I think Colonial One should still be visible --Serenity 16:28, 16 September 2006 (CDT)
Yes it's the same POV, I misunderstood what you (FrankieG) were saying and thought you meant it was another, which neither of us believed it was. Anyways, it's the same basic POV (as we both believed) and the Ships are not visible, but only a very slight portion would be visible.
Here [1] is a comparison shot. The only ship which would be visible is Colonial One, and considering the ship, it isn't too suprising they would move it closer to wherever the Cylons reside in NC. --Sauron18 16:30, 16 September 2006 (CDT)

Let's unindented since this is really a new thread[2], Thanks Sauron. That is the first time I noticed the towers randomly place around the city. Possibly for surveillance? Total spec. --FrankieG 16:49, 16 September 2006 (CDT)

Population count?

Since I feel this page needs to be rewritten anyway, should we add a section covering the population count since LDYB? -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 14:57, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

How would we do that? We don't know how many Cylons added to the total population, but I am assuming you are interested in the human population. How would we get that? Is it just subtract 33 (police cadets killed in suicide bombing) minus 4 (humans killed in power plant bombing) minus 200 (suspected insurgents). Well, strike that, we don't know how many of the suspects were killed by the Cylons at the end of Occuprice. So are we just doing 37 minus the population as of the end of LDBY, or shall we wait? Just wondering. --Homeworld 16:03, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
Have we been given any further information? --April Arcus 16:04, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
Well, I forgot the two suicide bombers themselves, so that's 2 plus 37, 39. LDBY population - 39, AS OF FAR. Other than that, the casualty rates of the 200 suspects will be unresolved until next Friday, so no other information except 39 solid human deaths, plus perhaps one of a guy undergoing torture at the beginning of the episode (I could hear some screams when the Cavil entered Tigh's cell). --Homeworld 16:08, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
It's not worth the bother, IMO. When we were getting regular population updates during the 2nd season it was fun to add up the totals and see how close we could get, but without regular confirmation, it seems like a futile exercise. --April Arcus 16:12, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
We never counted known Cylons as part of the surviving population. So any Cylons added to the population (such as the duplicates of already-known Cylon models) would not affect those numbers. As for the futility of such an exercise... I do agree that errors are much more likely to occur now that there is no longer any on-screen count. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 16:21, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

Ressurection

I think they might have contructed a new ressurection facility on New Caprica. The Cavil and Leon models appeared mere hours after being killed and so had to be in close proximity. Does this mean that despite the destruction of the Ressurection Ship, the Cylon models are from now on still able to be reborn?- Commander Mazien 12:06, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

It has been confirmed to us that there has been more than 1 Resurrection Ship since the attack on the colonies, and that one of these ships safeguarded the 12 Colonies, while another safeguarded the fleet (everything is out of range of the Cylon Homeworld). Judging by the timeframe and by logistics, it's more probable that the Cylons moved one of their Res Ships withing a safe distance from the System of New Caprica.--Sauron18 12:12, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
Where has it been confirmed that there was more than one ship? -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 15:00, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
In the official communiques Bradley spoke of "a few" Resurrection Ships. It's also in the official Scifi.com glossary, but I trust BT more.--Sauron18 15:13, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
I think there might be a resurrection plant (for lack of a better term) on New Caprica, like there was on Caprica where Caprica Six and Boomer were resurrected. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 14:59, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
Actually, Caprica, and it seems Boomer too, were resurrected on a ship. --Sauron18 15:11, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
When was that established? --Madbrood 15:48, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
Well, We always knew that there were only two choices for where they resurrected: a Ship, or a Facility on the Colonies. We know Caprica was reborn on a ship because of the timeframe, so only Boomer was left ambiguous. However, Grace Park recently confirmed that Boomer was reborn in a ship. --Sauron18 15:54, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

If there were more Ressurection Ships, why didn't the Cylons just move another one close to The Fleet and continue to attack en masse? Commander Mazien 18:53, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

Because more than 1 does not mean many. BT stressed "one of their few Resurrection Ships". They've got more than 1, but probably just about 3 in total. And at least one other Resurrection Ship was occupied with safeguarding the Colonies. --Sauron18 19:14, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

Cylon Discovery

When Gina left the Nuclear signature that the Cylons discovered, did the Cylons discover it at the moment of detonation or mere days before the occupation? Commander Mazien 18:59, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

Doral said they were over a light year away, so they probably just detected the radiation a little bit before occupation. It would take the radiation that long to move out that far. --Talos 19:50, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

tense problem

Is there are a special reason why the whole page is written in the past tense? Usually I'd edit it, but by now someone else should have noticed that as well. So maybe it's supposed to be that way... --Serenity 05:10, 29 October 2006 (CST)

Perhaps it was noted, but maybe no one brought the issue up. Though I do fully agree that the tense needs to be changed. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 14:16, 29 October 2006 (CST)

Anyone Left Behind?

Were there other Humans besides Baltar who failed to escape in the exodus from New Caprica? Since the Cylons abandoned the planet after the exodus, could there have been a handful of Humans still left to try to bleakly survive who neither escaped or were exterminated? -- Davidkevin 07:13, 8 March 2009 (UTC)Reply