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| Is it clear that the acting change for Zak Adama was for casting reasons, or possibly the change from an extra to a fully fledged actor?
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| | == Lagoon Nebula == |
| Linking Baltar/Adar image to this page to "adopt it" (It's not visible, but it's there). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:10, 31 January 2006 (EST)
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| | "the nebula is located in Scorpio, but in the real world it is actually in the constellation Sagittarius." |
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| | But they weren't seeing from the "real world" (Our Earth), were they? They were seeing it from the cylon earth. |
| Should the name of this page be changed to "Goofs" or something as it coveres other gaffes not just continuity errors? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:25, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
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| :You are right. It should be called something like "Production Errors". --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 22:36, 21 July 2006 (PDT)
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| ::No. The current name is better and more accurate. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 02:11, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
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| :::How about "Production and Continuity errors." --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:01, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::How is Danglers, Recasting, Prop and Equipment Errors and Crew Visible Continuity error?? These are obviously production errors? Danglers aren't really errors, maybe scripting issues, maybe something they'll leave for later, they're prone to that. I like "Production and Continuity Errors". --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 10:35, 22 July 2006 (PDT)
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| ::::Talos' suggestion is quite sensible, and I support it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:07, 22 July 2006 (CDT) | | : They were headed in the same "direction," so the constellation was always Sagittarius. Besides, the whole Tomb of Athena thing was a big plot problem anyway, given how the story ended. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 22:18, 25 October 2010 (UTC) |
| :::::Production errors include continuity errors, so "Production errors (RDM)" should win by virtue of concision. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:26, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::As I recall, this article already underwent a namechange... However, that's not really the point, so I will agree with Peter's suggestion of going with "Production errors (RDM)", simply because it is inclusive of ''all'' the errors that happen on screen. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:13, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::::Though, 'Conituity Errors' should be in there somewhere because a continuity errors affect the story where other production errors don't necessarily. A Prop, equipment, or crew visibility error doesn't affect whats going on but the miscount in the number of months to the election does play. Maybe a separate page should be made for productions errors outside of continuity errors. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 21:53, 22 July 2006 (PDT)
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| :::::::No. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 00:43, 23 July 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::::And both the number of months to the election and prop errors are both production related, hence my agreement with Peter's suggestion. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 08:06, 23 July 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::::::That was my main point, was that its not just continuity errors on this page. I like Peters suggestion. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 15:29, 23 July 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::::::After working on this some, we may want to reopen this discussion. Also, looking ahead at removing goofs/bloopers from episodes that need working on, there may be enough stuff for two articles, continuity errors and production errors, with room for the future. At least maybe consider renaming the article per Peter's suggestion. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:58, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::::::::I think we can safely split this article into two pages (one for production errors, the other for continuity errors). Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 23:06, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::::::::FWIW, I think a single "Production Errors" page is appropriate. If it is split, there should be an obvious link at the top from one to the other. --[[User:PrePressChris|PrePressChris]] 09:01, 20 October 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::::::::::If we split the article -- which hasn't been decided yet, one way or the other -- we could simply use a menu box, simiilar to that of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)]] article series. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 09:09, 20 October 2006 (CDT)
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| ==Link Episode Guides To Here== | | == Casting Errors == |
| Need advice on how/where to link episodes to here. In the Episode Info Template? But not all episodes have goofs/bloopers. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 09:55, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
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| :<code>|goof=Y</code> ? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 10:30, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
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| ::I like it. It would take some smarts in the template to distinguish which series goof page to goto, but I think that's a field already (so it'd have the info to drive off of). I leave such technical matters to our [[User:Shane|template guru]]... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:32, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
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| :::All done. :) "goof" is the tag. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 14:14, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
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| ==Reorganization==
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| Plan to reorganize this page so all the errors are in episode order within each section. Make it easier to "scan". Maybe ''Episode Name'': at the start of each errror?
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| :I like the overall headings, so it would have to be in both sections. Or we can always enter <nowiki>__NOEDITSECTION__</nowiki> --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 14:33, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
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| ==Suspending Disbelief==
| | Is it clear that the acting change for Zak Adama was for casting reasons, or possibly the change from an extra to a fully fledged actor? |
| | | --[[User:Radicaledward|Radicaledward]] 06:21, 9 Aug 2005 (EDT) |
| Characters are not perfect, they make mistakes, mishear things, or in some cases may outright lie. Billy could have misheard one thousand five hundered prisoners or there could have been static on the wireless "I have *snap, crackle, pop* five hundred prisoners". Baltar could be lieing about how long it takes for the Cylon detection to work, why not, he lied about the results and then covered up his lie when called on it after Sharon shot Adama. Both of these seem just as (if not more so) reasonable then FTL travel. [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 19:38, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
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| : Actually... Billy's lines were redubbed, so, yes, it's a deliberate retcon. As for Baltar's thing, the issue there is that he ''did'' find out Sharon was a Cylon, and it didn't take him 11 hours to do it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:50, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
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| :: I lookuped Retcon, so I see the importance of that, I am confused as to how Retcons are Continuity Errors aren't they retoractive continuity fixes? If so I am for the renaming of the page as well. I don't follow how Baltars lieing about how long it takes is a Retcon. [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 19:57, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
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| ::: Baltar may be lying. Or he might be telling the truth (and the writer's just forgot how short a time G-Sharon's test took. Either way, it's a (possible) continuity error. I would be for adding the stipulation that "providing Baltar's not lying, the test takes 11 hours and etc., etc.". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:10, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
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| :::: Given Baltar's terrified reaction to the result, I don't think he is lying. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:13, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::: I mean lieing about the test taking 11 hours [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 20:15, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::: I think that he makes too big a deal about it taking him "forever" to do everyone. The writers seem to have wasted a lot of dialogue for him to just be lying. Plus, given the nature of Baltar/Internal Six relationship, she would have probably needled he about lying. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:19, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::: I've reworded this to account for that possibility. However, if I recall correctly, Baltar was discussing this with Internal Six, so I can't really see how it's a lie... More than likely, the writer's slipped up. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:23, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::::: Ya, I can see your point. Then again people have been known to convince themselves that a lie isn't a lie. I guess my viewpoint is to assume good faith and give the writers a break when I can come up with (at least what seems to me) a plausable explaination. Either way could someone explain to me how this is a Retcon? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 20:30, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::::: Well, it is plausible. As for the retcon thing: it's a retcon because the "beta" test on Sharon took less time than 11 hours, and then later Baltar said that to run a complete test on a sample would take 11 hours. Also, in "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down", Baltar is running a test on Bill Adama's sample, who interrupts that test with a demand to test Ellen Tigh's sample. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:46, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::::::: Oh I see, thanks. I guess my not being sold that Balter was telling the truth vs a writer error was preventing me from seeing a "deliberately changing previously established facts". I like your justification for saying it is 11 hours so as not to have a Cylon present when the results come in, which is probably more practical than my though that Baltar is "sandbagging" as I was assuming he is simply bored of all this repetative testing (oh whoa is poor Baltar...) and saying it takes 11 hours gives him plenty of time to do more interesting stuff. I am still interested in the more pointed bit of my last comment. Which moves me down to the NEC logo and Microsoft mouse. Along those lines shouldn't Starbuck's Hummer, the Renault in "Resistance", the chicken pot pie, and how Caprica looks like a Canadian city also be listed? I am very interested in where we draw the line on suspending disbelief vs "errors". [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 21:07, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::::::::Maybe Baltar's test only takes 11 hours to make a complete survey of the sample. It could've picked up Cylon stuff immediately in Boomer's sample (in other words, Baltar got lucky). --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:19, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::::::::::That wouldn't be surprising, considering how his luck runs. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 23:04, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::::::::I wouldn't call Caprica looking like a certain Canadian city a "continuity error". Obviously, we may want to create a page called [[List of filming locations (RDM)]] for that, which would be a cool undertaking. In fact, I seem to recall some sites that do this. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 23:04, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::::::::::But you would call the other ones errors? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 23:16, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::::::::::If they're blatantly obvious like the NEC logo or the Microsoft Mouse, yes. (Obviously, prop redressses wouldn't count.) Also, above this section, we're reopening the discussion in splitting this page off into two distinct entities: one for production errors and another for continuity errors, since they're different. We may want to do one for retconns as well, since they're continuity corrections, and not really errors. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 23:25, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::::::::::: I don't see how the microsoft mouse (kudos to those that noticed it, BTW) is any more obvious than the hummer or renault, I've zoomed in on the image, and I can't make out the word microsoft, I just see a bit of white at the bottom. And I am not saying that I think that the hummer and renault should be included. What I am trying to say is I would really like to see is the wiki come up with a policy about these "errors" and personally I think that there should be some sort of "assume good faith" toward the writers in that policy. [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 00:19, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::::::::::::: Interesting idea, perhaps you could [[BW:TANK|use our Think Tank]] to come up with your proposal? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 00:29, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::::::::::::: Okay, I've started working on a [[Battlestar_Wiki:ThinkTank/ErrorsPolicy| error policy proposal]]. [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 02:00, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
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| Re-added some text that I had edited to save some space, but I believe that it makes a ''derived'' point. Give the amount of computer equipment show in the series, the production staff have usually been careful about generic-lizing it. Computers (and similiar technology) are very central to the series. However, for example, vehicles are not. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 12:17, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
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| I can't recall Tigh saying "Jesus", though I've heard people talking about it. Is it possible that it was redubbed for the UK DVD? Or maybe someone can give me the rough timeindex --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:14, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
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| : It's roughly after Tigh and Starbuck's card fight, where Adama asks Tigh whether or not he's really going to press charges. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:08, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
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| ::Ok, found it. He says it very softly under his breath. Never noticed that before :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:39, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
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| :::Yeah, it's not really noticeable, I missed it to when I first watched the Miniseries. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 11:31, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
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| Would Boxy count as Dangling plot line? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 12:13, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
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| : Boxey would be more of a discarded plot line, since Ron Moore and others have come out and admitted that they felt Boxey wouldn't work out. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 12:16, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
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| | Linking Baltar/Adar image to this page to "adopt it" (It's not visible, but it's there). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:10, 31 January 2006 (EST) |
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| "Visual VFX gaffes" list a MkII launch sequence for "Scar". That's true for the aired version but it has been fixed on DVD! So this should probably be moved to "acknowledged errors"<br> | |
| "Resurrection Ship II" is also listed, but I think they use both kinds of vipers there and we only see one launch. That's no error IMO. If you want to keep both episode entries, the clarifcation about the fix could be added under "VFX gaffes" --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:24, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
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| Isn't the Pyramid entry in Retcon section incorrect? I don't remember them actually ever saying the card game was named Pyramid. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:14, 13 June 2006 (CDT)
| | So, now that we know that Tigh came from Earth, does that retcon the reference to Jesus from an ad-lib by the actor? Heh--[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 21:46, 23 March 2009 (UTC) |
| :Yeah I can't recall that either. It`s an error compared to TOS maybe, but not withing TNS itself --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:34, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
| | :Tigh lived on the original Earth 146,000 years before Jesus lived on ours, so... no. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 21:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC) |
| :[[Pyramid (RDM)#Notes|It's noted in the "Notes" section of the Pyramid page.]] -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 14:49, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
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| ::Yeah, but that refers to TOS vs TNS. Not to the Miniseries vs Season 1. In the article it says that Pyramid was the poker game in the Mini. Maybe I'm wrong again, but I don't think that's the case -[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:07, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
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| :::I concur with Serenity; specifically, I think that although it is an error, it is not a continuity error. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 13:02, 16 September 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::Another argument: Right before Baltar's interview the TV person says "For those of you just joining us from the Pyramid game on Gemenon". While they also show Poker games on television these days, I'm sure that a ball game would be far more popular and more prime-time material. So the error was already there in the Miniseries.<br>But as said it's an error compared to TOS only. So if it's included at all that needs to be made clear. For now I removed it. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:25, 16 September 2006 (CDT) | |
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| Helo's apparant use of the word "fuck":
| | :There's our Jesus, the one from Earth 2. There could have been a Jesus on Earth 1 who originated from Kobol. It be no different from "our" Zeus and "their" Zeus, or their Hera and our Hera, and so on and so forth. Earth 1 could have had its own Jesus, who attained some sort of status that would explain why his name would be uttered in such a manner. --[[User:ManofTheAtom|ManofTheAtom]] 22:25, 23 March 2009 (UTC) |
| Firstly, that episode is wrongly cited as being "Home, pt II", when in fact Roslin threatened to throw Sharon out of the airlock in "Home, pt I". Secondly, I have just watched that section a few times over, and it is quite clearly the word "frak" which Helo shouts, not "fuck". This should be removed. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 13:29, 17 September 2006 (CDT)
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| | ::As explained in the article from the writers, this is an ad-lib and has no bearing on the show at all. It needn't be explored further. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 01:24, 24 March 2009 (UTC) |
| :''An F-16 Fighting Falcon is visible in a picture in Adama's quarters when he and Colonel Tigh discuss Starbuck striking Tigh.''
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| Is this an error, as such? If the Colonials have Hummers, it's not unreasonable to assume they have combat aircraft. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:07, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
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| :Combat aircraft, yes. Cambat aircraft exactly imitating a United States fighter? Possible, but insanely unlikely. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:06, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
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| ::Here's a pic of it. {{unsigned|Talos}}
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| ::It might not be exactly an error, per se. It is likely that the Colonials, despite their space craft, use air craft very much similar in form and function to airplanes (or fighter planes) from Earth. They do use cars, after all, and not hovercraft. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 11:03, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
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| :::I'm not of a mind to second-guess the folks who made that mistake, but perhaps they thought it was a way of covering the fact (insofar as the show's current design goes) that the Colonials really have no atmospheric fighter capability, as Vipers don't do well at slow speeds. The suggestion that a "Colonial Python/Anaconda/Cobra/whatever" exists to fill that gap in the arsenal probably came up in the minds of someone to fix such a gaffe. Then again, it was, in likely truth, probably just done for the "filler/cool factor" reasoning.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 11:23, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
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| Is is just me, or does [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] say "dammit, where's that '''fuckin'''' list?" vice "'''frakkin''''"? On my videotaped copy, it's about 6:17, right about when Tyrol's at the far back of the "stage" and [[Tahmoh Penikett]]'s credit caption is onscreen. I've listened to it several times (and got my wife to listen once or twice; she agrees), and I'm sure it's a gaffe.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 00:23, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
| | New here so putting this for others to verify first... "A Measure of Salvation" - Galactica's raptor noclips' through a raider: Watch their left/port-side wingtip... it passes through a raiders' wing. Just before it enters the tunnel bit of the basestar. [[User:AlexMcpherson|AlexMcpherson]] 21:02, 29 May 2010 (UTC) |
| :I hear a for sure "a" sound. Peter should help us with his anyalsis things. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 01:10, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
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| ::I'll have a listen myself when I get home shortly --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 08:47, 20 October 2006 (CDT)
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Linking Baltar/Adar image to this page to "adopt it" (It's not visible, but it's there). --Steelviper 09:10, 31 January 2006 (EST)