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Starbuck's expression

Latest comment: 16 years ago4 comments4 people in discussion

I just re-watched the last scene, I'm fairly sure that Kara's smirking, she's the only one in the scene who doesn't seem disappointed. -- Gordon Ecker 22:45, 21 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Neither does Tyrol, apparently. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 23:00, 21 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Tyrol is clearly chuckling to himself; Starbuck to me looks like she has her mouth pursed as part of an overall expression of concern.--Hylas 23:15, 21 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

I don't think he was "chuckling" to himself out of humor, but in a cynical "of course it would turn out this way..." attitude. Rueful, just like when he was taken to the launch tube and he looks at Tigh and smiled because he knew Tigh gave them up. He smiled at Anders in a similar fashion because he knew that Tigh gave them up even then. On Earth Tyrol just had a non committal attitude because he is already cynical as hell probably thinking of the absurdity of the situation. Starbuck had somewhat the same attitude especially with the "harbinger of death" prophecy ringing in her head. Hunter2005 09:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Goof

Latest comment: 16 years ago6 comments4 people in discussion

In the scene in CIC where Felix gets up to retrieve the pills he knocked over, you can briefly see the shadow of his 'missing' leg and foot (tucked up behind him) cast on the floor just between him and his chair. . . oops! Centurion 51773 09:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Yep, big oops. Or is it a shadow from his Virtual Leg? :P -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 10:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Yeah. Gaeta's leg is definitely the final Cylon. -- Serenity 13:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Well, other than Baltar's Baltar, nobody else has a virtual self, so I think it's more likely that Gaeta has a virtual Tigh's leg. . . (Actually an eye disguised as a leg. Cylon projection. Wink wink nudge nudge.) :D Centurion 51773 14:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

I believe that's already mentioned on our continuity errors page. --Catrope^{(Talk to me or e-mail me)} 10:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

So it is. Hadn't seen it. Here I thought I was being clever. Frak! ;DCenturion 51773 13:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Temple of Aurora Mistake

Latest comment: 16 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

I see that there's an ongoing mistake with the Temple of Aurora picture. Lee is looking at the picture of the Opera House on Kobol. Starbuck walks over and says it's the Temple of Aurora, but as she does so you can see Lee turning the page over. You catch a very brief glimpse of the image he is looking at: an open square structure inside a much larger chamber. It 100% resembles the structure at the end of Revelations. However, I keep seeing that people think the Opera House and the Temple of Aurora are one and the same and it's an error, which it isn't. It's actually slightly mistimed editing.--Werthead 00:34, 4 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Having rewatched my digital copy, I can see that you're correct. Lee does turn the page to what appears to be the structure on Earth in "Revelations", at least to an extent... What extent, I'm not entirely sure though, because, again, the picture that we see on closeup before panning upward towards Thrace is the exact same page used to depict the depiction of the Opera House on Kobol in Season 1 and 2. Which casts doubt on the intentions of that scene. It could be a simple editing mistake, or it could very well be an attempt to remove all reference to that page for some reason we don't yet know. While I'm up in Vancouver, I'll figure out what the frak is up with it, because that scene—and the sudden introduction of this so-called Temple—rankles my researching ass, personally. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 02:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

I changed the note on the Aurora page to make it more clear where the real picture is. And I uploaded the picture above to BSWiki. It's now linked to in the same note. -- Serenity 13:22, 4 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

nyc? really?

Latest comment: 16 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

i think the city shown at the end is sydney, look at pictures of it. that would make sense of the whole roslin/athena/hera/six/baltar operahouse vision. ya'know, the sydney operahouse! -- Popon 23:17, 3 September 2008 (UTC)Reply

Your speculation is about as valid at this point as anyone else's. And trying to pinpoint it to any one specific place would kind of take away from the basic visceral impact to each viewer — "That could be *my* city."-- Fredmdbud 00:57, 4 September 2008 (UTC)Reply

Biers?

Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Is there a reason why the Three in this episode is referred to as Biers? It seems like it would make more sense to refer to her as Number Three, but was she called that in the episode or something. I didn't want to just change it because it's been so long since I saw the episode.

She's often referred to as D'Anna, which is short for D'Anna Biers, although the reporter was almost certainly a different instance, so... -- Noneofyourbusiness 08:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

Also the fact that she is the only Number Three left in the universe, and a particular one at that.-- Fredmdbud 18:26, 23 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

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-The convention report attributes the forest scenes to episode '''11'''. Since other reports state that they have shut down after episode 13, this like means that they are the same by episode numbers. "Revelations" is episode 10 however! --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:57, 20 November 2007 (CST)
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-: Here's the thing though... is Katee counting "Razor" as one episode? If so, then that makes "Revelations" episode 11, by her count. Also, about 4.13... it seems that there are only 10 episodes "in the can", as far as I can determine. Also, production numbers can be taken out of order; it's happened before to series such as ''Babylon 5'' and even the original BSG. So, 4.13... Is ''that'' episode 11, or is that part of episode 10, which may be extended? Plus we have two missing episodes that are unaccounted for, 4.07 and 4.09.
-: To be honest, it's a bit confusing. LOL -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 09:55, 21 November 2007 (CST)
-::Right. Counting "Razor" as one episode makes this correct again. That's probably the case. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:36, 21 November 2007 (CST)
-== 4.0 finale? ==
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-Is this the finale to the first half of the season? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 21:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
+== Starbuck's expression ==
-:I'd venture a "yes". Not only is the episode #10 out of 20 (excluding "Razor"), but the SciFi Channel doesn't list it either on the site in general or on their schedule. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 12:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
+I just re-watched the last scene, I'm fairly sure that Kara's smirking, she's the only one in the scene who doesn't seem disappointed. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 22:45, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
+: Neither does Tyrol, apparently. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 23:00, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
-:It's the mid-season cliffhanger... Should add that to the notes. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
+::Tyrol is clearly chuckling to himself; Starbuck to me looks like she has her mouth pursed as part of an overall expression of concern.--[[User:Hylas|Hylas]] 23:15, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
+::: I don't think he was "chuckling" to himself out of humor, but in a cynical "of course it would turn out this way..." attitude. Rueful, just like when he was taken to the launch tube and he looks at Tigh and smiled because he '''knew''' Tigh gave them up. He smiled at Anders in a similar fashion because he knew that Tigh gave them up even then. On Earth Tyrol just had a non committal attitude because he is already cynical as hell probably thinking of the absurdity of the situation. Starbuck had somewhat the same attitude especially with the "harbinger of death" prophecy ringing in her head. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 09:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
-== Advance screening ==
+== Goof ==
-Since the episode apparently has an [http://syfyportal.com/news425104.html advance screening] tomorrow, maybe we should lock the article. I vaguely I recall that a similar screening resulted in the episode summary or analysis to be written. That's not so bad, but we have no way to verify the stuff. Plus, I don't think we should spoil it for everyone just because a handful of people have seen the episode already. It's probably not that likely that there will be massive edits, but taking precautions doesn't hurt. Someone might also read spoilers somewhere else and try to add them here. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
+In the scene in CIC where Felix gets up to retrieve the pills he knocked over, you can briefly see the shadow of his 'missing' leg and foot (tucked up behind him) cast on the floor just between him and his chair. . . oops! [[User:Centurion 51773|Centurion 51773]] 09:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
-: I believe you are referring to "Razor". And, well, despite the advanced screening any content from it is still considered a [[BW:SP|spoiler]], since it hasn't made a nation-wide airing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
+: Yep, big oops. Or is it a shadow from his [[Virtual beings|Virtual Leg]]? :P -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 10:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
-::Ah yes, Razor. That was just an internet leak though and we could easily obtain a copy as well. That's not the case with a theater screening. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
+::Yeah. Gaeta's leg is definitely the final Cylon. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
-:::Actually, if you recall, it was also screened in certain markets about a week before the air date. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
+:::Well, other than Baltar's Baltar, nobody else has a virtual ''self'', so I think it's more likely that Gaeta has a virtual ''Tigh's'' leg. . . (Actually an eye disguised as a leg. Cylon projection. Wink wink nudge nudge.) :D [[User:Centurion 51773|Centurion 51773]] 14:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
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+::I believe that's already mentioned on our [[Continuity errors (RDM)#VFX Gaffes|continuity errors page]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
+:::So it is. Hadn't seen it. Here I thought I was being clever. Frak! ;D[[User:Centurion 51773|Centurion 51773]] 13:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
-== Location on earth ==
+== Temple of Aurora Mistake ==
-To me the location on earth looked a bit like the ruins of Ellis Island with New York City in the backround. Am I way off? --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 10:31, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
+I see that there's an ongoing mistake with the Temple of Aurora picture. Lee is looking at the picture of the Opera House on Kobol. Starbuck walks over and says it's the Temple of Aurora, but as she does so you can see Lee turning the page over. You catch [http://s36.photobucket.com/albums/e4/Werthead/?action=view&current=AuroraBook.jpg a very brief glimpse of the image he is looking at]: an open square structure inside a much larger chamber. It 100% resembles [http://s36.photobucket.com/albums/e4/Werthead/?action=view&current=AuroaWreckage.jpg the structure] at the end of Revelations. However, I keep seeing that people think the Opera House and the Temple of Aurora are one and the same and it's an error, which it isn't. It's actually slightly mistimed editing.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 00:34, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
+: Having rewatched my digital copy, I can see that you're correct. Lee does turn the page to what appears to be the structure on Earth in "Revelations", at least to an extent... What extent, I'm not entirely sure though, because, again, the picture that we see on closeup before panning upward towards Thrace is the exact same page used to depict the depiction of the Opera House on Kobol in Season 1 and 2. Which casts doubt on the intentions of that scene. It could be a simple editing mistake, or it could very well be an attempt to remove all reference to that page for some reason we don't yet know. While I'm up in Vancouver, I'll figure out what the frak is up with it, because that scene—and the sudden introduction of this so-called Temple—rankles my researching ass, personally. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 02:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
+:I changed the note on the Aurora page to make it more clear where the real picture is. And I uploaded the picture above to BSWiki. It's now linked to in the same note. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:22, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
-It's Brooklyn. [http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/913/bsgbrooklynbridgeyx0.jpg Check it out].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 11:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
+== nyc? really? ==
-You are right. I didn't think that was a bridge, just a girder. --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 12:02, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
+i think the city shown at the end is sydney, look at pictures of it.
+that would make sense of  the whole roslin/athena/hera/six/baltar operahouse vision.
+ya'know, the sydney operahouse! -- [[User:Popon|Popon]] 23:17, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
+: Your speculation is about as valid at this point as anyone else's.  And trying to pinpoint it to any one specific place would kind of take away from the basic visceral impact to each viewer — "That could be *my* city."-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 00:57, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
-== 5th Cylon ==
+== Biers? ==
-<blockquote>“Is Number Three honest in her claim that there are only four of the Final Five in the Fleet? If so, where is the fifth and last Cylon? If she's lying, is it because she still harbors distrust for her compatriots and the humans?”</blockquote>
+Is there a reason why the Three in this episode is referred to as Biers? It seems like it would make more sense to refer to her as Number Three, but was she called that in the episode or something. I didn't want to just change it because it's been so long since I saw the episode.
+:She's often referred to as D'Anna, which is short for D'Anna Biers, although the reporter was almost certainly a different instance, so... -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 08:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
-Perhaps the 5th is already on the Basestar? [[User:Nerull|Nerull]] 13:39, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
+::Also the fact that she is the only Number Three left in the universe, and a particular one at that.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 18:26, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
-Were there any other major characters except Baltar and Roslin? Roslin is pretty much ruled out by the joke Five made. --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 13:59, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
-: Karl Agathon was still on the baseship, but he's human, as far as we know. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
-:Yes, this is weird. Are there any major characters anywhere else? I mean, there are three Cylon models + Boomer in the Cylon fleet but they're not exactly good candidates. Did we leave someone behind somewhere? Surely, the final Cylon isn't dead. It has to be a major character. I guess it has to be one of Helo/Roslin/Baltar. I think that Roslin would be the most likely of those. The 3's question could have been meant in earnest. [[User:Haukurth|Haukurth]] 15:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
-I'm stretching this, but the five are supposed to find the way to earth. Chief, Sam and Tigh find the Viper (this could also make Starbuck a Cylon) and Roslin gives the final go for jump. There is a problem with Tory, she does nothing. --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 14:09, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
-: Tory can't do anything because the call summons her to ''Galactica'', where Starbuck's Viper is. Obviously, she's disconnected from the rest of the Four, so she has the adverse reaction. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
-What about Hera? D'anna was only "interested" in the four, and that way opened the door for another less important (for now) cylon......
-== Earth - Speculation ==
-Kara Thrace is the harbinger of death, according to the hybrid. She is also the only character we know has been to Earth. What if she triggered a series of events that led to the destruction of the 13th tribe? She probably isn't the 5th, but she's something else. I think she's playing the character of Krishna for those of you who've read Bhagavad Gita, but at the same time her connections to the arrow of Apollo make me think she might be Arjuna. In either case, her counterpart would be the 5th.
-What is hard to explain is her viper. How does it explode visibly and then come back in mint condition in the nebula? Vipers don't have FTL either, so everything seems weird.
-* International Space Station and satellites probably wouldn't be affected by nuclear war
-* They can't all be dead - there's got to be somebody alive from the 13th tribe.
-* New York, sure, but who would waste a nuke on New Jersey? (*grin*)
---[[User:Smari|Smari]] 14:45, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
-ISS and other spacecraft in low-earth orbit will see their orbits decay within a decade (or even less) due to atmospheric drag without periodic reboosts (the demise of Skylab in 1979 is a perfect example of this). Even satellites in pretty high Earth orbit will fall back to Earth within a few hundred years - assuming that a significantly long time has elapsed since whatever happened on Earth, the only stuff left in orbit will be stuff out at the Clarke (geosynchronous) orbit.
---[[User:Qprmeteor|Qprmeteor]] 15:10, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
-Perhaps, but not much time has passed in the fleet, yet the plants growing on the ruins suggest the event was a long time ago. However, there was a time discrepancy associated with Kara's previous visit.
---[[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 16:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
-== Locating Earth based on just a bearing ==
-There's a comment made in the main article stating that making a precision jump based solely on a bearing seems unlikely.  It doesn't seem to me like this would necessarily be the case.  Based on the bearing, Galactica should be able to scan in that direction, looking for solar systems.  From there, they could scan for inhabitable planets.  Assuming they truly are in our solar system, that narrows it down to one planet.  We know that Colonial FTLs are capable of some extremely precise jumps, so jumping into orbit doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.
-The part that seems unlikely to me is that the fleet has been haphazardly stumbling around all this time jumping from point to point, several hundred jumps from the 12 Colonies.  Now the Fleet is within jump range of Earth, without even knowing exactly where they were going.
---[[User:Scionic|Scionic]] 16:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
-:I don't think the Fleet jumped from their position to Earth in one jump. Getting to Earth probably took many jumps, which is what Lee meant when he said his course would have to be corrected as they went. The writers just skipped all these intermediate jumps and cut straight ahead to the final one. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 22:00, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
-::Even given that, it would be more believable to jump somewhere into the solar system rather than directly into orbit on the final jump. That's really just dramatic license. However, as said above, it makes sense that they would use astronomical readings to determine the location of star systems in the direction. But, it wouldn't be the usual generic, faster-than-light sci-fi scans. BSG's stellar navigation is mostly more in line with real astronomy, i.e. using passive readings -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 23:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
-:::In watching the episode again, it looks like they very well might be inside the Sol System for their final jump, presumably to save time/fuel instead of slogging their away across the system at sublight.  The last establishing shot of the fleet before the final jump shows a yellow star, fairly close.  This is presumably our Sun.
-I have to say I disagree on the method of stellar navigation.  For general in-system navigation and plotting, passive systems would make sense, but for FTL jumps (which have been indicated to be many light-years long), sci-fi faster-than-light scans would almost be necessary.  Otherwise they'd be jumping into a region of space based on a scan that is many months or even years old.  It would be like mounting an FTL drive on my car, and jumping into the middle of a busy freeway based on a picture I took a couple weeks ago - I could very well jump into the middle of another car, jump into a location that no longer exists, etc.
---[[User:Scionic|Scionic]] 06:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
-== Is it Earth at all? ==
-Is the planet actually Earth? No recognisable land masses are visible from orbit, unlike in "[[Crossroads, Part II]]". The ruins look vaguely like Brooklyn and the Temple of Aurora, but it's inconclusive. The only thing conclusive is the star patterns match. Perhaps this is another pointer along the way. -- [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 16:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
-:The scriptures say the dying leader wasn't supposed to survive to see their new home, although that's making two assumptions - that the dying leader is Roslin and the new home is the planet. --[[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 23:27, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
-::"Inductive reasoning is the death of philosophy". You can never prove anything definitively based on observed evidence, but I'd be willing to bet my house (if I owned one) on that being Earth. Aside from the many, many on-screen things, it would be a huge slap in the face to viewers if this was just [[Terra]] or something. Consider that the writers have set up this exquisite concept that in the near future civilisation is destroyed, only for it to be revealed that this is just some arbitrary planet. (Plus a few spoilers for episodes ahead do say this is Earth). Sometimes a spade is just a desolute, lifeless and radioactive spade. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 23:43, 15 June 2008 (UTC)