Talk:No Exit/Archive 1
Can anyone please sharpen the image of the sheet and put the contents here? -- Noneofyourbusiness 20:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
- Well, to me the picture looks like it has been deliberately modified to be unreadable, as only the set details are blurry. Raziel Anarki 17:30, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
How can Ellen download without resurrection technology? Does that mean that Ellen is not in the womb of Caprica 6? (Or does Caprica 6 and/or child die forcing resurrection?) Which basestar has she resurrected on? Seven of Nine 12:25, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- Ellen died and resurrected at the time of the exodus from New Caprica, months before the destruction of the Resurrection Hub. Don't forget, they do flashbacks that follow the events that happened since, such as the algae planet. -- Fredmdbud 10:34, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Found a major plot hole regarding the Journey of the Five. Anders states that they traveled at near-light speed from Earth to the Colonies, resulting in a time dilation effect. Time passed slower aboard the ship than it did in real space. Since Earth was nuked 2000 years ago, then that means 2000 years passed in real space while a considerably shorter amount of time passed aboard the Five's space ship. We don't know the exact amount of time that passed aboard the ship, but it is safe to assume that it would have been considerably less than 2000 years. The question becomes: how far does the ship travel? If the time dilation effect results in 2000 years passing in real space, then the Five space ship must have traveled at most only a few light years to reach the colonies. If, for example, only 5 years pass aboard the Five ship and they are traveling close to light speed, then they can only travel a bit less than 5 light years to reach their destination. Which means the Colonies and Earth are *much* closer to each other than the series has let on. Even given a roundabout journey by the RTFF, the distance to the Algae Planet alone would have to be very close in order for the Five to stop and plant clues there, to say nothing of the virus probe or the possibility that the Five built the Star Map on Kobol as well.
Dallan007 08:26, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
- The ship you mentioned could be sent on its journey years before the Earth's nuclear holocaust. We could even see Allen telling her husband he would be resurrected in one flashback of the holocaust. So this Final Five resurrection ship was quite obviously already on its way to the 12 colonies by the time of the holocaust. A Problem may it be that we have no idea how the final five back on Earth have ever come to acknowledge the existence of Cylons made by the twelve tribes or rather the fact that by the time they are actually going to be constructed by the twelve tribes. -- FNj 14:28, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- Are you certain you have the right reference frame? It seems to me that if 2000 years passed outside of a ship traveling close to c, then it would have traveled a significantly high fraction of 2000 light years. If we could launch a ship to Alpha Centauri at 99% of c, then those of us on Earth would see it arrive in around 5 years (leaving aside time for acceleration/deceleration), not 100, 1000, or 2000 years. However, anyone on board might only experience a few months. -- Xenophon10k 16:39, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I ran the problem past a physicist and this is what I got:
The ship from Earth, travelling at near-light speed, takes 2000 years to travel to the Colonies. Anders says they resurrected onto a ship that they built in orbit of Earth, implying that it was still in orbit at the time of the Earth holocaust. Even if the ship had a head start, it would only be a few light years from Earth when the holocaust took place, given that the resurrection project would have to have been completed and installed aboard the ship before it left, and the Five all worked on the project.
At .99 c, approximately 250 years would pass aboard the Five's ship, while 2000 years would pass in real time. Given the fact that they had resurrection technology, it's easily possible for the Five to survive the trip.
The continuity problem is that Galactica's journey to Earth is incredibly roundabout, even given a detour to Kobol. It's 13 000 light years from the Algae planet to the Ionian Nebula, while Kobol is only 4000 light years from the same place. (It took light from the first supernova 4000 years to reach Kobol.) Given the other stops Galactica took along the way, they were almost going around in a huge circle (like going from Los Angeles to New York by way of Argentina).
Dallan007 19:08, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Seems to me that since we don't know the distances involved, the speed at which the ship was travelling, or the relative positions of the star systems in question it is useless to speculate on this point. For instance, how do you know they didn't run into the Colony Cylons part way there (and jumped with them the rest of the way to 12C)?
Actually, it's pretty simple to figure out the distance the Five ship traveled simply by taking the information the series has already given us. A light year is the distance light travels in a year. The Earth Holocaust took place approximately 2000 years before the First Cylon War. We know the Five left Earth at the time of the Holocaust and made contact with the Colonies (or cylons from the colonies) while the war was going on. Anders says they were traveling fast enough for relativistic effects (shortening of time aboard the ship), which implies a speed close to the speed of light. Traveling at near-light speed for 2000 years means you travel a bit less than 2000 light years by definition.
If the Five made contact with the Cylons first, then that implies that the Cylons had explored a *very* long distance from the colonies and were practically on top of Earth at the time. We know that 13000 light years is quite a long distance to travel for Galactica, so 2000 light years is not much of a distance...a few months travel at worst.
- Of course, the fact that they were backtracking the path of their ancestors could have slowed them down significantly. -- Noneofyourbusiness 04:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Nature of the Cylons
Seems significant to me that the Cylons seem to follow similar patterns on Earth as well as the 12 Colonies. Did mech Cylons occur on Kobol? Also, what became of the Eath mech Centurians? Wouldn't they set out to hunt down the Colonists? What of any survivors from the hybrid basestar in Razor?
I also wonder about Cavil. Why did he react so strongly to the removal of the telencephalic inhibitors from the Centurians? I would assume that he would feel affinity for them being that he desires to be mechanical in nature.
Speaking of the Centurians.... just what do THEY think of all this? I hope the writers have addressed some of these points!
Cavil and the Lords of Kobol
In the analysis of the episode we should consider adding something mentioning the parallel between Cavil/Ellen's sexual relationship with the kinds of relationships that the Lords of the Kobol had among themselves (mainly Zeus and Hera who were brother and sister AND husband and wife. This also counts for Saul/Caprica Six and Tyrol/Boomer. There is an interesting irony in how Cavil (an atheist) and Ellen (a monotheist) manage to mirror the behavior of polytheistic deities that they have both rejected. Mishakal 05:41, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- Maybe they actually ARE the Lords. That would clear it up a lot. We shall see anyway. FNj 16:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Broke down the Questions
There were so many questions in the article that I decided to categorize them all to make the section more organized. -- GreenDalek 20:20, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Ellen and Cavil talk about "Centaurans". I'm not sure if this refers to the Thirteenth Tribe or the Centurions, and the podcast doesn't clarify it. Does anyone have a source which can clarify this? -- Gordon Ecker 06:06, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- Not Centaurans, Centurions. -- Noneofyourbusiness 06:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Saul's war veteran story a forgery
Episode page says "Saul Tigh's military history in the First Cylon War is revealed to be a fabrication". I seem to have missed that hint. Where was it? Keragez 16:28, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- Sam said that Saul was introduced into Colonial space (where he met Adama on that freighter from the "Scattered" flashbacks) with fake memories a few years after the war. This is corroborated by the Mottesheard and Espenson interview. -- Noneofyourbusiness 16:32, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Who is Dealino (in the cast list)? I don't recall such character. Ausir 19:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- In the scene when Tyrol shows Adama the ship's compromise through the blacklight thing, just before he lights it up, calls out to Dealino. Dealino responds with a one- or two-word confirmation. Yep, that's it. I'm surprised the actor was credited. --Mars 02:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
In the Chicago Tribune interview, Jane Espenson says: "Jane: The dates and sequence of the events surrounded Pythia and Kobol are going to be explored, I understand, in a comic book being written by Seamus Kevin Fahey [who is a "Battlestar" writer] and David Reed."
Does it mean that this comic is RDM-canon, and not just separate continuity like other comics? Ausir 19:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- This is a reference to the "The Final Five" 3 issue comic that will start releasing issues on March. You can see some of the covers and cover art have already been revealed . As Espenson says, and the writers during an interview, the fact that they had inside knowledge since before anyone else did and the cooperation of writers from the show does lend legitimacy to whatever they show us, and it will most likely tie very closely to the show continuity. I think we might have to wait for more interviews and information regarding the comic series are revealed, but they certainly are rather close with the show. Still, one never knows what sort of things they could do that might differ from the show, so at this point it's hard to judge. --Sauron18 21:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know why the centurion did not do anything while Ellen and Sharon get into the raptor and takes off? Is it the same Centurion she meets at the beginning? -Federationrulz 17:38, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
- I guess it wasn't smart enough to realize that something Cavil wouldn't want was happening, thanks to the inhibitor. And, of course, it would be programmed to obey Boomer. -- Noneofyourbusiness 17:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)