Editing Podcast:Blowback

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|season= 1
|episode= 14
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|transcribed by=Whisper & Gemini LLMs
|verified by=[[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] (WIP)
|length= 42:57
|finished= Y
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|speaker1=Tom Lieber
|speaker2=[[Magda Apanowicz]]
|speakerimage2=Magda_Apanowicz.jpg
|title=Podcast for "Blowback" from Syfy.com
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<blockquote>In the official Syfy.com podcast for "[[Blowback]]", Universal Cable Productions executive '''Tom Lieber''' and actress '''[[Magda Apanowicz]]''' ([[Lacy Rand]]) offer a behind-the-scenes look at the fourteenth episode of ''[[Caprica]]''. They discuss the episode's intense, ''[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]]''-inspired tone, the introduction of new characters on [[Gemenon]], and the filming of the space travel sequences. Apanowicz shares her experiences working with director [[Omar Madha]] and the emotional challenges of portraying [[Lacy Rand]]'s harrowing [[Soldiers of the One|STO]] test. The commentary also reveals key plot decisions, such as the [[Gara Singh|identity of the STO mole]] inside the [[Global Defense Department|GDD]], and culminates with a discussion of the shocking final scene revealing the STO's use of a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] as an enforcer.</blockquote>

'''[[Tom Lieber]]:''' Hi, this is the podcast for ''Caprica'' episode 114. This is Tom Lieber. I'm director of development at Universal Cable Productions, a studio that produces ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]''. And I am joined by Miss [[Lacy Rand]] herself. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 00:00</ref>

'''[[Magda Apanowicz]]:''' Hi, Magda Apanowicz. And we are sitting here watching ''Caprica'' episode 14 with you. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 00:16</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' We're going to do the commentary because [[David Eick]] has the flu, so he couldn't be here for it. Okay, and so now we are into the episode right now. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 00:23</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' You know the thing about this episode is when I was reading the script, there were so many special effects, so I could only somewhat imagine what it was going to look like, and I'm very excited to see what it actually ends up being like. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:00</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah, so this is the spaceport on [[Gemenon]]. Lacy has now arrived on Gemenon. She's getting a connecting flight to [[Gemenon Interplanetary Spaceport|Oranu]], where the [[Soldiers of the One|STO]] training camp is. And this is a new character we're introducing, [[Odin Sinclair|Odin]], played by [[w:Ryan Kennedy|Ryan Kennedy]]. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:12</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Who is a very good Vancouver actor. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:30</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' He actually was in an episode of ''[[w:Psych|Psych]]''. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:33</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Was he? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:35</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah, he was in ''Psych''. He played like a spoiled rich guy. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:36</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I think he's on ''[[w:Hellcats (TV series)|Hellcats]]'' too right now. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:39</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Oh, is he? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:40</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' So yeah, when I heard we cast him, I'm like, oh, I know that guy. And this is a man that I love so much. One of the greatest men I've ever been on screen with, I feel like. [[w:Ryan Robbins|Ryan Robbins]]. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:41</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah, Ryan Robbins is the best. Ryan Robbins is basically on every show I've ever worked on. He played two roles on ''Battlestar''. He was the [[Armistice Officer|old man]] at the very beginning that [[Number Six]] kisses. He was in a lot of makeup. He was [[Charlie Connor|Connor]]. He was on ''[[w:Psych_(TV_series)|Psych]]'' as a janitor. He was on... Was he on ''[[w:Bionic Woman (2007 TV series)|Bionic Woman]]''? I can't remember if he did... <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:53</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' You were. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:13</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' I was. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:14</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' You were Heaven Von Fleet. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:14</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:16</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Canadian. Rich Canadian girl. My character was actually Canadian. I was like, yeah. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:17</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' This is another kid I love that he's going to have this great scene coming up. [[w:Calum Worthy|Calum Worthy]]. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:22</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Uh-huh. I'm absolutely in love with him. I think he's an amazing actor. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:29</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Which one does he play? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:33</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' He's the redhead. Ginger, he is so ridiculously talented. That kid has an amazing future. And then what was that girl character's name? [[Devanna|Devandra]]? [sic] It was a really cool name. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:35</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' I forget what her character's name was, though. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:50</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' She's a great actress, too. Everyone in this episode is very great. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:52</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah, I remember when [[w:Kevin Murphy (screenwriter)|Kevin Murphy]] pitched us this episode, we were kind of floored by it. Because it really is evocative of ''[[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|Battlestar]]'' in all the best ways. You know, there's great tension. There's space battles. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:57</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I mean, honestly, weren't you guys a little worried about it, though? Were you worried about it? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 03:10</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' No, we were always really excited about this episode. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 03:14</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Were you? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 03:16</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah. I mean, I think there's, you know, Lacy is, what, 16, 17? So there is something about children in trouble, but it's dealt with in a way in which the underdogs, you know, really kind of empower themselves. That we were always really excited about this episode. We were excited about introducing a new love interest for Lacy because, you know, [[Keon Gatwick|Keon]] died a [[Retribution|couple episodes ago]]. And, you know. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 03:17</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' And this is a different kind of love, like a more grown up kind of, I think, like interest in someone. The other one, I think, was very like schoolyard crush. Yeah. And this one seems a little older, more dangerous for her. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. See, because when I was looking up, I was looking up into nothing. Imagining what that might look like in the future. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 03:42</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah, there are the pirates. Lacy can see them coming. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 04:09</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' It does remind me a lot of ''BSG''. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 04:21</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And I remember Omar, [[Omar Madha]] directed this episode. And he is amazing. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 04:23</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Love Omar. He's really great. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 04:31</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And he employed a lot of old school ''[[w:Star Trek|Star Trek]]'' techniques in this. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 04:32</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Awesome. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 04:37</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Where it was like one, two, three, everybody shake. And everyone would shake to the left. And then everyone would shake to the right. And, you know, the classic ways work. And mixing that with the CGI kind of gives it a really cool, scary vibe. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 04:38</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I thought he was a really good director. He had an interesting life. He's from England. He's done a lot of episodes of British TV. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 04:51</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And I think this was his first episode of US TV. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 05:02</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I think so, yeah. The thing I liked working with him, because it was such an intense episode, that I don't know, he was one of those directors that make me feel so safe just losing my shit. You know what I mean? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 05:05</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' But you have to lose your shit in this episode. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 05:20</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yeah, and that's such a rare thing to find such safety in a director. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 05:21</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And now by this point we're deep into [[Amanda Graystone|Amanda]]'s arc where she's now been accepted into [[Clarice Willow|Clarice]]'s home with all of her husbands and wives. But she's still spying on her and trying to find that smoking gun to connect her to the STO so that [[Jordan Duram|Durham]] can bring them all down. But unfortunately, you know, [[Mar-Beth Willow|Mar-Beth]] here is very suspicious and Mar-Beth is very sharp. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 05:25</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Luckily, Amanda is a good liar. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 05:51</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And she knows that Mar-Beth is probably suspicious of Clarice as well, and so she plays on Mar-Beth's insecurities about Clarice's drug use. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 05:52</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Sneaky, sneaky. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 06:02</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Shit's got caught. Amanda knows she got away with it. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 06:06</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' That'd be really scary. You're really deep down in the rabbit hole in that situation. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 06:21</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And Clarice is on the phone with her handler from the STO. We eventually find out who the handler is, right? Find out right now. Do you remember who it is? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 06:29</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I think I do. I think I do. I don't want to say until we see. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 06:49</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Who do you think it is? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 06:56</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Is it Durham's boss? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 06:58</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yes, it is. It is [[Gara Singh]] from the [[Global Defense Department]], which explains why he's been so against Durham investigating Clarice. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 07:00</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Right. What is his... Why is he on this side? What's his motive? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 07:12</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' He's a [[Monotheism|monotheist]]. He's a terrorist. And he's under, you know, deep undercover with the GDD. You know the gag reel that we did for ''Caprica''? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 07:18</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yeah, when he can't get it out of the bag. Yeah, that's every time I see that, he couldn't get it out of the bag. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 07:31</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' You know, originally when [[Jane Espenson]] had pitched the season, the mole was originally going to be [[Youngblood]], the partner, the blonde woman, the really tall blonde woman. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 07:34</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Oh, but... <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 07:45</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And they decided that, I think it was [[Ronald D. Moore|Ron]] or [[David Eick|David]], thought that was too obvious that it would be the partner. So they changed it very early on from Youngblood to [[Gara Singh|Singh]]. So if you go back and re-watch those first ten episodes, there are some visual clues there that Singh, you know, is serving another master. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 07:46</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I love this kind of sequence. That you go back and you're like, ah. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 08:04</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Woo! I feel like I'm on a rollercoaster ride. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 34:29</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' That's the end of the act. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 34:32</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Woo-hoo. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 34:34</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And we're back. And we're back on Gemenon. That is Gemenon. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 34:34</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' That's a really good... Oh, hey, what up? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 39:53</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And here we are at the banquet hall on Gemenon. This was all entirely green screen except for, obviously, the floor and those two posts in the railing. Everything else is fake. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 39:56</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' They were green. And the fire was real. Oh, whoa, that's so cool. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 40:06</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And Lacy is kind of quickly becoming a rising star because of her actions on that plane. They've taken notice of her. Which is both a good thing and a bad thing, that they've taken notice of her. The brightest and best are always the most likely to cause problems. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 40:11</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Or, you know, the person that has the most power, usually people let them rise, and then they want to break them down. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 40:36</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Well, and as they said a couple episodes ago, when Clarice was Lacy ten years ago, Clarice was the brightest and best. And now she's quite the renegade. So Lacy has quite a lot to overcome here on Gemenon. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 40:42</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yeah, she does, but she doesn't know it. She doesn't know it. And she does, luckily she has a new buddy. Ooh, I like this part. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 40:58</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' This is my favorite scene in this episode, I have to say, just because of the cool reveal that happens. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 41:16</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' It is. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 41:24</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And Odin really knows that something's up. And wants to teach Lacy about the real world. And about who these people are. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 41:25</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Open your eyes a little more. Yeah. Don't be so naive about things. Just because something looks great doesn't mean it is. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 41:37</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' It's everyone who failed the test. Including your red-headed guy. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 41:42</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Man, kill him. See? No. No. It's like, who's shooting him? Who was shooting him? [[Diego]]? Is it the mother? Is it [[Kevin Reikle|Reikle]]? Who? Who? Who was it? How do you need to know? Lacy needs to know too. Yeah, she does. That's why she stuck around. What? [[U-87 Cyber Combat Unit|It's a Cylon.]] That's awesome. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 41:49</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And that's the end of the episode. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 42:29</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' That was really cool. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 42:31</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' My assistant Daniel is in here, and he's gasping because he's so horrified by that ending in a good way. Did you like it, Daniel? He's got a lot of questions. So don't worry. Sasha's coming in. We're going to watch the next one. So then it'll answer some of them. That was episode 14. Thank you guys so much for joining us. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 42:31</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' That was so fun. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 42:48</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Sorry about the fire drill. The stop and go. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 42:49</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Stop and go. Stop and go. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 42:52</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' But it's a great season, and it continues to get better from here. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 42:53</ref>
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