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|episode= 14
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|transcribed by=Whisper & Gemini LLMs
|verified by=[[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] (WIP)
|length= 42:57
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|speaker1=Tom Lieber
|speaker2=[[Magda Apanowicz]]
|speakerimage2=Magda_Apanowicz.jpg
|title=Podcast for "Blowback" from Syfy.com
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<blockquote>In the official Syfy.com podcast for "[[Blowback]]", Universal Cable Productions executive '''Tom Lieber''' and actress '''[[Magda Apanowicz]]''' ([[Lacy Rand]]) offer a behind-the-scenes look at the fourteenth episode of ''[[Caprica]]''. They discuss the episode's intense, ''[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]]''-inspired tone, the introduction of new characters on [[Gemenon]], and the filming of the space travel sequences. Apanowicz shares her experiences working with director [[Omar Madha]] and the emotional challenges of portraying [[Lacy Rand]]'s harrowing [[Soldiers of the One|STO]] test. The commentary also reveals key plot decisions, such as the [[Gara Singh|identity of the STO mole]] inside the [[Global Defense Department|GDD]], and culminates with a discussion of the shocking final scene revealing the STO's use of a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] as an enforcer.</blockquote>

'''[[Tom Lieber]]:''' Hi, this is the podcast for ''Caprica'' episode 114. This is Tom Lieber. I'm director of development at Universal Cable Productions, a studio that produces ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]''. And I am joined by Miss [[Lacy Rand]] herself. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 00:00</ref>

'''[[Magda Apanowicz]]:''' Hi, Magda Apanowicz. And we are sitting here watching ''Caprica'' episode 14 with you. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 00:16</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' We're going to do the commentary because [[David Eick]] has the flu, so he couldn't be here for it. Okay, and so now we are into the episode right now. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 00:23</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' You know the thing about this episode is when I was reading the script, there were so many special effects, so I could only somewhat imagine what it was going to look like, and I'm very excited to see what it actually ends up being like. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:00</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah, so this is the spaceport on [[Gemenon]]. Lacy has now arrived on Gemenon. She's getting a connecting flight to [[Gemenon Interplanetary Spaceport|Oranu]], where the [[Soldiers of the One|STO]] training camp is. And this is a new character we're introducing, [[Odin Sinclair|Odin]], played by [[w:Ryan Kennedy|Ryan Kennedy]]. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:12</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Who is a very good Vancouver actor. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:30</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' He actually was in an episode of ''[[w:Psych|Psych]]''. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:33</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Was he? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:35</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah, he was in ''Psych''. He played like a spoiled rich guy. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:36</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I think he's on ''[[w:Hellcats (TV series)|Hellcats]]'' too right now. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:39</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Oh, is he? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:40</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' So yeah, when I heard we cast him, I'm like, oh, I know that guy. And this is a man that I love so much. One of the greatest men I've ever been on screen with, I feel like. [[w:Ryan Robbins|Ryan Robbins]]. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:41</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah, Ryan Robbins is the best. Ryan Robbins is basically on every show I've ever worked on. He played two roles on ''Battlestar''. He was the [[Armistice Officer|old man]] at the very beginning that [[Number Six]] kisses. He was in a lot of makeup. He was [[Charlie Connor|Connor]]. He was on ''[[w:Psych_(TV_series)|Psych]]'' as a janitor. He was on... Was he on ''[[w:Bionic Woman (2007 TV series)|Bionic Woman]]''? I can't remember if he did... <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 01:53</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' You were. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:13</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' I was. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:14</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' You were Heaven Von Fleet. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:14</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:16</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Canadian. Rich Canadian girl. My character was actually Canadian. I was like, yeah. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:17</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' This is another kid I love that he's going to have this great scene coming up. [[w:Calum Worthy|Calum Worthy]]. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:22</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Uh-huh. I'm absolutely in love with him. I think he's an amazing actor. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:29</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Which one does he play? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:33</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' He's the redhead. Ginger, he is so ridiculously talented. That kid has an amazing future. And then what was that girl character's name? [[Devanna|Devandra]]? [sic] It was a really cool name. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:35</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' I forget what her character's name was, though. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:50</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' She's a great actress, too. Everyone in this episode is very great. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:52</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah, I remember when [[w:Kevin Murphy (screenwriter)|Kevin Murphy]] pitched us this episode, we were kind of floored by it. Because it really is evocative of ''[[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|Battlestar]]'' in all the best ways. You know, there's great tension. There's space battles. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 02:57</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I mean, honestly, weren't you guys a little worried about it, though? Were you worried about it? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 03:10</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' No, we were always really excited about this episode. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 03:14</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Were you? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 03:16</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah. I mean, I think there's, you know, Lacy is, what, 16, 17? So there is something about children in trouble, but it's dealt with in a way in which the underdogs, you know, really kind of empower themselves. That we were always really excited about this episode. We were excited about introducing a new love interest for Lacy because, you know, [[Keon Gatwick|Keon]] died a [[Retribution|couple episodes ago]]. And, you know. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 03:17</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' And this is a different kind of love, like a more grown up kind of, I think, like interest in someone. The other one, I think, was very like schoolyard crush. Yeah. And this one seems a little older, more dangerous for her. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. See, because when I was looking up, I was looking up into nothing. Imagining what that might look like in the future. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 03:42</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah, there are the pirates. Lacy can see them coming. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 04:09</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' It does remind me a lot of ''BSG''. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 04:21</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And I remember Omar, [[Omar Madha]] directed this episode. And he is amazing. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 04:23</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Love Omar. He's really great. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 04:31</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And he employed a lot of old school ''[[w:Star Trek|Star Trek]]'' techniques in this. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 04:32</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Awesome. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 04:37</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Where it was like one, two, three, everybody shake. And everyone would shake to the left. And then everyone would shake to the right. And, you know, the classic ways work. And mixing that with the CGI kind of gives it a really cool, scary vibe. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 04:38</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I thought he was a really good director. He had an interesting life. He's from England. He's done a lot of episodes of British TV. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 04:51</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And I think this was his first episode of US TV. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 05:02</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I think so, yeah. The thing I liked working with him, because it was such an intense episode, that I don't know, he was one of those directors that make me feel so safe just losing my shit. You know what I mean? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 05:05</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' But you have to lose your shit in this episode. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 05:20</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yeah, and that's such a rare thing to find such safety in a director. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 05:21</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And now by this point we're deep into [[Amanda Graystone|Amanda]]'s arc where she's now been accepted into [[Clarice Willow|Clarice]]'s home with all of her husbands and wives. But she's still spying on her and trying to find that smoking gun to connect her to the STO so that [[Jordan Duram|Durham]] can bring them all down. But unfortunately, you know, [[Mar-Beth Willow|Mar-Beth]] here is very suspicious and Mar-Beth is very sharp. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 05:25</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Luckily, Amanda is a good liar. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 05:51</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And she knows that Mar-Beth is probably suspicious of Clarice as well, and so she plays on Mar-Beth's insecurities about Clarice's drug use. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 05:52</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Sneaky, sneaky. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 06:02</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Shit's got caught. Amanda knows she got away with it. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 06:06</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' That'd be really scary. You're really deep down in the rabbit hole in that situation. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 06:21</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And Clarice is on the phone with her handler from the STO. We eventually find out who the handler is, right? Find out right now. Do you remember who it is? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 06:29</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I think I do. I think I do. I don't want to say until we see. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 06:49</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Who do you think it is? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 06:56</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Is it Durham's boss? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 06:58</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yes, it is. It is [[Gara Singh]] from the [[Global Defense Department]], which explains why he's been so against Durham investigating Clarice. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 07:00</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Right. What is his... Why is he on this side? What's his motive? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 07:12</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' He's a [[Monotheism|monotheist]]. He's a terrorist. And he's under, you know, deep undercover with the GDD. You know the gag reel that we did for ''Caprica''? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 07:18</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yeah, when he can't get it out of the bag. Yeah, that's every time I see that, he couldn't get it out of the bag. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 07:31</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' You know, originally when [[Jane Espenson]] had pitched the season, the mole was originally going to be [[Youngblood]], the partner, the blonde woman, the really tall blonde woman. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 07:34</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Oh, but... <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 07:45</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And they decided that, I think it was [[Ronald D. Moore|Ron]] or [[David Eick|David]], thought that was too obvious that it would be the partner. So they changed it very early on from Youngblood to [[Gara Singh|Singh]]. So if you go back and re-watch those first ten episodes, there are some visual clues there that Singh, you know, is serving another master. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 07:46</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I love this kind of sequence. That you go back and you're like, ah. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 08:04</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' He's alive! <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 08:36</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' How is he alive? What is going on? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 08:36</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Such a great what the fuck moment. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 08:38</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Totally. You start beating the shit out of someone thinking that you're gonna die, and then a surprise, just a test. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 08:40</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' I mean, it's not really a funny test. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 08:55</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' No, but they're seeing everyone who we thought was dead is back. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 08:56</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' But it's a fascinating way that STO, how they weed out who's a true believer. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 09:00</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' That's really disturbing. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 09:06</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Really disturbing. But they're not nice people. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 09:07</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' No. My favorite part is the punishment. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 09:13</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 09:16</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' You know what I realized? I get to see something really cool at the end of this episode. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 09:19</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yes, you do. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 09:21</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Oh my god. I'm so excited right now. Oh my god. Oh, this is happening. Woo! I feel like I'm on a rollercoaster ride. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 09:22</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' That's the end of the act. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 09:32</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Woo-hoo. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 09:34</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And we're back. And we're back on Gemenon. That is Gemenon. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 09:34</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' That's a really good— <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 09:53</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' My assistant Daniel is in here, and he's gasping because he's so horrified by that ending in a good way. Did you like it, Daniel? He's got a lot of questions. So don't worry. Sasha's coming in. We're going to watch the next one. So then it'll answer some of them. That was episode 14. Thank you guys so much for joining us. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:00</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' That was so fun. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:11</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Sorry about the fire drill. The stop and go. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:12</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Stop and go. Stop and go. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:15</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' But it's a great season, and it continues to get better from here. Keep watching. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:16</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' And I have nothing else to say. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:20</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' You have a lot to say. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:21</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I have a lot to say. I just don't know what to say. Oh! Look, this is me. That's my back. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:22</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' You know, in this scene, we have to establish that it's been a few weeks, right? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:27</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yes. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:29</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' That's why your hair is up. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:30</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I know. It's a continuity thing, so I look older. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:32</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' You look older. You look more established. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:34</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I look like I've been there for a while. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:35</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Exactly. And you've been working with hair and makeup and they showed you how to put your hair in a ponytail. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:37</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yes. I figured it out. I just never did it before. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:40</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' What's so amazing about this episode is that Lacy was, up until now, really a follower. And this is when she really comes into her own and she's a leader. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:42</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yes. It's my favorite episode. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:48</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah. It's great. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:49</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' It's my favorite episode for my character, I feel like. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:51</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' That you find out she's a badass. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:53</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yeah. I get to... she's very broken down and beaten, but at the same time, finds this strength through her weakness. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 10:55</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yes. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 11:00</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I really like it. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 11:01</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' We're watching it on mute, so we can't hear. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 11:03</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Oh, yeah. So, this is a part where I find my own—I do my own thing. I think that's what's cool about my character is she does start to form her own opinions and her own way of living. And I think that's part of—everyone should do that. Everyone should be themselves. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 11:04</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yes. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 11:20</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Even if it's the wrong way. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 11:20</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Stay in school. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 11:21</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Just kidding. I dropped out. Don't listen to me. No, I actually graduated. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 11:22</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' A PSA from [[w:Syfy|Syfy]]. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 11:25</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yeah, from me. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 11:26</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And these two who had such a strange relationship at the beginning, now they're so bonded. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 11:27</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I love that. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 11:40</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Because really, Duram is the thing that's keeping her alive and keeping her undercover. And she needs him now, and he needs her, because without her, his case against Clarice was gone. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 11:41</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Nothing, yeah. It's hard. You have to really cater to her and really just make her trust you and be like, "You're gonna be okay. Now, please tell me anything you can." <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 11:52</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Omar shot a lot of it, because your arc is so claustrophobic, you'll see a lot of scenes like this, they're shot in the forest to kind of balance it out. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 12:02</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' That's really cool. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 12:19</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And to give it a sense of scope. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 12:20</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' That's really cool. I feel like that's what makes a really smart director. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 12:21</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 12:25</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Those kind of little ads. So do we know? We know. Yes, okay. We just found out when we were gabbing about it. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 12:26</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Hey, Alphie, what's the good word? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 12:30</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' He parked his vest outside. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 12:34</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Brian has been in, if you look at shows that have shot in Vancouver, like the classic shows like ''Supernatural'', ''Battlestar'', ''Caprica'', ''X-Files'', like going back, Brian has been on all of them. Because he's so good. And he's just such a steady go-to actor. He can do anything. He can play any role. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 12:35</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' That you need, definitely. He's like Old Yeller. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 12:58</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' He is. He's the Old Yeller of Vancouver. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:04</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Old Faithful. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:05</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' He's not Old Faithful. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:06</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' No? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:07</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' He's not a geyser. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:08</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I'm sorry. Yeah, that was kind of a bad reference. Old Yeller was... <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:09</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Greystone house. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:15</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Dun, dun, dun. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:19</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And the dust has been... <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:22</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Collecting? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:23</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah, except for there's fingerprints on it, so he knows something's up. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:23</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Uh-oh. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:26</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' The dust has been disturbed. Was it him that couldn't get this out? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:27</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' No, it was Singh. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:31</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' It was Singh. Singh is the one who touched the dust, so he knows. Now, this is when he suspects that there's a mole at the GDD. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:32</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' He's a smart guy. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:42</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah, toying with the Greystone trial. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:43</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Nothing's been given to him easily, but he still figures it out. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:45</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Oh, yeah. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:52</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' You know what I mean? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:53</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And he has suspenders. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:54</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I want suspenders. But I don't think I can pull off suspenders. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:55</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' If you call Glenn, she can probably give you those suspenders. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 13:59</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yeah, but I don't think I can pull off suspenders. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 14:00</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' You can. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 14:02</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' With a white shirt, I mean. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 14:03</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah, I think you can. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 14:05</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I feel like I have the personality. I just don't know. I don't know. It's epic life changer. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 14:06</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Anyone listening to this podcast, tweet to Magda, @officialmagdaa, and tell her if you think she can pull off suspenders. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 14:14</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Please tell me. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 14:21</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' We'll let the people decide. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 14:22</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yes. Let my people go. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 14:26</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' [[Jane Espenson]]! Woo! [[Kevin Murphy]]! Woo! <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 14:32</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I love those people. A lot. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 14:39</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' This is Kevin's first episode that he wrote. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 14:43</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' This is his first episode? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 14:46</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 14:47</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Oh, this is the best part. Sorry, guys. We're probably going to have to pause because there's a fire alarm test today for each floor. And it turned out right now is the time we have to go. So we're going to put this on pause. Oh, there's directed by Omar Madha. He's great. So we're going to put this on pause and come back once we make sure our building isn't burning down. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 14:53</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Daniel is showing the Adama brothers footage that the Cylons were being smuggled to offworld. And obviously Sam is devastated, and Sasha plays this brilliantly. And Joseph kind of knows about it, and it's pretty fucked up. And this scene lays the groundwork for what you're going to see next week in the episode 115. We referred to it internally as Adamarama, because it's the all-Adama episode. I don't even think you're in that one. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 15:11</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' No. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 15:38</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' It's pretty much all Adama all the time next week. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 15:39</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I think I went skiing that weekend. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 15:41</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Oh, look at you, lady of leisure. And this is kind of the impetus for the Adamarama episode. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 15:42</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Oh, he's so gorgeous on the screen. You're going to ask me which one? All three of them. It's not an unattractive cast. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 15:49</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' No, it's not unattractive. You're self-included. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 15:59</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Thank you. Well, you know, you've got to thank my mom and the bunny rabbit. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 16:01</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' What? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 16:06</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' He had sex with a bunny rabbit. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 16:07</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' She did? I could see that. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 16:09</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I'm so cute. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 16:10</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' So your dad, who you referred to earlier on the podcast, is a bunny rabbit. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 16:11</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' He is. He was the milkman. Bunny rabbit milkman. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 16:15</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' I see. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 16:19</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' She fell for him. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 16:20</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And you know when Sam Adama lapses into Tauron, that he means business. And Tauron, which is, it's ancient Greek. Did you know that? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 16:22</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' So do they have to learn ancient Greek? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 16:38</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' It's Homeric Greek. I'm sorry. Apparently that's different. We had a professor, I think at University of British Columbia, who would, we'd tell them what we wanted to say, and he'd translate it to Homeric Greek, which sounds very different from normal Greek, apparently. It sounds like Klingon, actually, but it's a real language. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 16:39</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' So it's almost like the Latin or Greek kind of thing? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 16:56</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Kind of, yeah. And it fits in with the ''Battlestar'' mythology. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 16:57</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Definitely. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 17:00</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' You know, with ancient languages and root languages. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 17:00</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I love when they speak Tauron. My favorite line to this day is, frackin' dirt eater. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 17:02</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah. Next week's episode is called "Dirt Eater". <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 17:19</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Is it really? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 17:21</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' It is. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 17:22</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Awesome. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 17:22</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' That's the official name. Unofficially, it's called Adamarama. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 17:23</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I like both names. They work. A.K.A. Adamarama. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 17:25</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' A.K.A. F.K.A., formerly known as Adamarama. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 17:29</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' F.K.A. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 17:31</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' So Lacy kind of very quickly forms a posse. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 17:34</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' She does. She has more friends than I do in my real life. It's kind of sad. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 17:38</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' If I remember right, when we shot this episode, you and Ryan Kennedy were going through ''Battlestar'', right? Weren't you showing him ''Battlestar''? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 17:42</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yeah. And you were like binging on it. We were, I mean, every second, anytime we went to our trailers, we would be watching ''Battlestar'', even if it was for like five minutes, ten minutes. We finally got through the whole season. It was awesome. And he was like, oh my God, this is what I've been missing. I'm like, I know, that was my same reaction. I was like, oh my God, this is what I've been missing. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 17:56</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And then you guys get to be in this very ''Battlestar''-ish episode. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 18:19</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I mean, right? Right? Yeah. I was pretty stoked. This felt like an homage for me. Yeah. To ''BSG''. I felt very honored. I mean, I really love ''BSG''. It's one of those shows like ''[[w:Buffy the Vampire Slayer|Buffy]]'' that I can just come home and if I'm having a hard time, put it on. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 18:23</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Who's your favorite in ''Battlestar''? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 18:47</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Obviously, [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]. She's a badass. And she's hot. Well, she's a badass. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 18:47</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Lacy kind of channels a little Starbuck in this episode. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 18:54</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' You know, I feel like she does a little. I would take that as a compliment because she's pretty rad. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 18:57</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And you worked with her on ''Bionic Woman''? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 19:02</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yes, I did. It's actually before I ever really heard of ''BSG''. I remember someone asking Katie about Season 5 or something about ''BSG''. I was like, what is this ''BSG''? I keep hearing of. And my friends kept telling me that I love this show. I love this show. And I guess I was kind of skeptical. And I'm like, why am I being skeptical? I ended up watching it and I loved it. Because they were like, you need to get on this ''Battlestar Galactica'' show. It's so good. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 19:04</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 19:31</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Oh, and this is the guy that you love, right? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 19:32</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Oh, Calum. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 19:35</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I mean, I think we were all literally crying when he was doing this. Not because we had to be acting, but it was so hard to listen to him. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 19:36</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And so he was willing to renounce his god, right? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 19:54</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yes. He was willing to do anything to not die. God, it makes me want to cry right now. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 19:55</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' I remember Omar at the end of it was clapping. He's like, yes, yes. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 20:15</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' And everyone's like, you are sick, Omar. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 20:18</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' That's the end of the act. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 20:20</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' And now we're back at the GDD. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 20:21</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Duram. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 20:26</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I know. It's ridiculous. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 28:08</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And here's the brilliance in editing here. We watched the sequence to see just how brilliantly it's edited for, you know, dramatic effect and tension. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 28:11</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' It's disturbing. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 28:18</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Polly Walker with a knife. Nothing like it. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 28:19</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I like her ring. Feels like she's going to go into battle with the knife and the ring. I'm a child, I know. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 28:20</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' No. Yeah, it's like a lioness hunting her prey. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 28:30</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Definitely. But whammo. What? She's going after Mar-Beth. No, she has a baby, no. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 28:33</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Clarice doesn't care about that. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 28:40</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' No, she doesn't. It's God's choice. Damn, that's dramatic. Oh god, that's gross. You know, I know it's pretend, but I still have troubles watching the loads of blood. What? Oh, okay. That was like the first time I've seen this. What has she done? Don't let the babies see her. I see her. Blood on her hands. Out, damn spot. Out, I say. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 28:42</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' That sequence gives me the chills. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 29:09</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' That's really sad. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 29:10</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' You just see how far Clarice has kind of gone over the... Like, she's a full-fledged zealot now. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 29:11</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yeah, definitely. Like, there's no limitations. If she thinks that that's God's word, that that's, you know, his will, she will do it. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 29:15</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Oh, absolutely. And Amanda got her tech. So she can now spy. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 29:20</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' This is a great scene in there. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 29:26</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' You know, Singh has kind of, in a way, outed himself to Durham. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 29:28</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yeah, in a beautiful way. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 29:32</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' But Durham, in his brilliance, pretends that his informant is dead. So now Amanda's safe. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 29:33</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Love it. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 29:40</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And then what was that girl character's name? Devandra? It was a really cool name. I forget what her character's name was, though. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 30:00</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' She's a great actress, too. Everyone in this episode is very great. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 30:05</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah, I remember when Kevin Murphy pitched us this episode, we were kind of floored by it. Because it really is evocative of ''Battlestar'' in all the best ways. You know, there's great tension. There's space battles. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 30:08</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I mean, honestly, weren't you guys a little worried about it, though? Were you worried about it? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 30:15</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' No, we were always really excited about this episode. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 30:18</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Were you? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 30:20</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah. I mean, I think there's, you know, Lacy is, what, 16, 17? So there is something about children in trouble, but it's dealt with in a way in which the underdogs, you know, really kind of empower themselves. That we were always really excited about this episode. We were excited about introducing a new love interest for Lacy because, you know, Keon died a couple episodes ago. And, you know. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 30:21</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' And this is a different kind of love, like a more grown up kind of, I think, like interest in someone. The other one, I think, was very like schoolyard crush. Yeah. And this one seems a little older, more dangerous for her. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. See, because when I was looking up, I was looking up into nothing. Imagining what that might look like in the future. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 30:45</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah, there are the pirates. Lacy can see them coming. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 31:18</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' It does remind me a lot of ''BSG''. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 31:29</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And I remember Omar, Omar Madha directed this episode. And he is amazing. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 31:31</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Love Omar. He's really great. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 31:39</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And he employed a lot of old school ''Star Trek'' techniques in this. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 31:40</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Awesome. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 31:45</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Where it was like one, two, three, everybody shake. And everyone would shake to the left. And then everyone would shake to the right. And, you know, the classic ways work. And mixing that with the CGI kind of gives it a really cool, scary vibe. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 31:46</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I thought he was a really good director. He had an interesting life. He's from England. He's done a lot of episodes of British TV. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 31:59</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And I think this was his first episode of US TV. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 32:10</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I think so, yeah. The thing I liked working with him, because it was such an intense episode, that I don't know, he was one of those directors that make me feel so safe just losing my shit. You know what I mean? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 32:13</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' But you have to lose your shit in this episode. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 32:28</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yeah, and that's such a rare thing to find such safety in a director. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 32:29</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And now by this point we're deep into Amanda's arc where she's now been accepted into Clarice's home with all of her husbands and wives. But she's still spying on her and trying to find that smoking gun to connect her to the STO so that Durham can bring them all down. But unfortunately, you know, Mar-Beth here is very suspicious and Mar-Beth is very sharp. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 32:33</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Luckily, Amanda is a good liar. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 32:59</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And she knows that Mar-Beth is probably suspicious of Clarice as well, and so she plays on Mar-Beth's insecurities about Clarice's drug use. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 33:00</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Sneaky, sneaky. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 33:10</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Shit's got caught. Amanda knows she got away with it. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 33:14</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' That'd be really scary. You're really deep down in the rabbit hole in that situation. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 33:29</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And Clarice is on the phone with her handler from the STO. We eventually find out who the handler is, right? Find out right now. Do you remember who it is? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 33:37</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I think I do. I think I do. I don't want to say until we see. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 33:57</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Who do you think it is? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 34:04</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Is it Durham's boss? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 34:06</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yes, it is. It is Gara Singh from the Global Defense Department, which explains why he's been so against Durham investigating Clarice. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 34:08</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Right. What is his... Why is he on this side? What's his motive? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 34:20</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' He's a monotheist. He's a terrorist. And he's under, you know, deep undercover with the GDD. You know the gag reel that we did for ''Caprica''? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 34:26</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yeah, when he can't get it out of the bag. Yeah, that's every time I see that, he couldn't get it out of the bag. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 34:39</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' You know, originally when Jane had pitched the season, the mole was originally going to be Youngblood, the partner, the blonde woman, the really tall blonde woman. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 34:42</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Oh, but... <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 34:53</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And they decided that, I think it was Ron or David, thought that was too obvious that it would be the partner. So they changed it very early on from Youngblood to Singh. So if you go back and re-watch those first ten episodes, there are some visual clues there that Singh, you know, is serving another master. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 34:54</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' I love this kind of sequence. That you go back and you're like, ah. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 35:12</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' He's alive! <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 35:44</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' How is he alive? What is going on? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 35:44</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Such a great what the fuck moment. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 35:46</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Totally. You start beating the shit out of someone thinking that you're gonna die, and then a surprise, just a test. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 35:48</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' I mean, it's not really a funny test. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 36:03</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' No, but they're seeing everyone who we thought was dead is back. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 36:04</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' But it's a fascinating way that STO, how they weed out who's a true believer. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 36:08</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' That's really disturbing. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 36:14</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Really disturbing. But they're not nice people. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 36:15</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' No. My favorite part is the punishment. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 36:21</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yeah. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 36:24</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' You know what I realized? I get to see something really cool at the end of this episode. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 36:27</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Yes, you do. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 36:29</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Oh my god. I'm so excited right now. Oh my god. Oh, this is happening. Woo! I feel like I'm on a rollercoaster ride. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 36:30</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' That's the end of the act. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 36:40</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Woo-hoo. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 36:42</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And we're back. And we're back on Gemenon. That is Gemenon. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 36:42</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' That's a really good... Oh, hey, what up? <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 38:04</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And here we are at the banquet hall on Gemenon. This was all entirely green screen except for, obviously, the floor and those two posts in the railing. Everything else is fake. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 38:07</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' They were green. And the fire was real. Oh, whoa, that's so cool. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 38:17</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And Lacy is kind of quickly becoming a rising star because of her actions on that plane. They've taken notice of her. Which is both a good thing and a bad thing, that they've taken notice of her. The brightest and best are always the most likely to cause problems. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 38:22</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Or, you know, the person that has the most power, usually people let them rise, and then they want to break them down. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 38:47</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Well, and as they said a couple episodes ago, when Clarice was Lacy ten years ago, Clarice was the brightest and best. And now she's quite the renegade. So Lacy has quite a lot to overcome here on Gemenon. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 38:50</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Yeah, she does, but she doesn't know it. She doesn't know it. And she does, luckily she has a new buddy. Ooh, I like this part. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 39:09</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' This is my favorite scene in this episode, I have to say, just because of the cool reveal that happens. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 39:27</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' It is. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 39:35</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And Odin really knows that something's up. And wants to teach Lacy about the real world. And about who these people are. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 39:36</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Open your eyes a little more. Yeah. Don't be so naive about things. Just because something looks great doesn't mean it is. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 39:48</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' It's everyone who failed the test. Including your red-headed guy. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 39:53</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Man, kill him. See? No. No. It's like, who's shooting him? Who was shooting him? [[Diego]]? Is it the mother? Is it [[Kevin Reikle|Reikle]]? Who? Who? Who was it? How do you need to know? Lacy needs to know too. Yeah, she does. That's why she stuck around. What? [[U-87 Cyber Combat Unit|It's a Cylon.]] That's awesome. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 39:59</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' And that's the end of the episode. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 40:40</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' That was really cool. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 40:42</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' My assistant Daniel is in here, and he's gasping because he's so horrified by that ending in a good way. Did you like it, Daniel? He's got a lot of questions. So don't worry. Sasha's coming in. We're going to watch the next one. So then it'll answer some of them. That was episode 14. Thank you guys so much for joining us. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 40:42</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' That was so fun. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 40:59</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' Sorry about the fire drill. The stop and go. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 41:00</ref>

'''Magda Apanowicz:''' Stop and go. Stop and go. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 41:03</ref>

'''Tom Lieber:''' But it's a great season, and it continues to get better from here. <ref>Podcast for {{CAP|Blowback|prose=y}}, timestamp 41:04</ref>
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